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#991 Re: Guns N' Roses » Leaked GN'R Songs Thread » 664 weeks ago
Fine I get your excitement for "Ain't Going Down" which is kind of cool . But I wonder why Axl didn't do the main vocal? Does this mean its a Tommy tune with Axl just helping out?
Could be an Izzy situation, where Axl's giving Tommy some room to do his own thing.
"I don't know if the song or two I wrote is necessarily gonna make this record or the next record." - Tommy, 2004
#992 Re: Guns N' Roses » U2 Producer tells Axl story » 666 weeks ago
MSL's Cliffsnotes on the second album. He's posted about it in dribs and drabs, so I merged a bunch of his posts.
If the next album had come out in 2010, it would have been called: GUNS N' ROSES.
The plan at one point was to release "Chinese Democracy" when they did and then release another new album a year or two later. Best Buy would have had the exclusive on the second album as well. I'm not sure if their rights to the next album expire at some point or if they had an option they could decline. But when Axl hinted at another album at the same time and place one year after Chinese, that is what he was referring to.
Obviously we did not get another album in November 2009. The band hadn't even hit the road yet to promote Chinese. Plans change based on market conditions, response to previous product, etc. So just because the plan at one point was to release two albums one year or two years apart doesn't mean over time that it might become clear that other plans have greater potential.
Had the label released a new album in the Summer of 2010, the subsequent touring would have been in support of BOTH albums. We've seen bands do this many times. Some examples from contemporary acts would be Metallica's Load & ReLoad, Radiohead's Kid A & Amnesiac, System of a Down's Mezmerize & Hypnotize, etc.
UMG chose for whatever reason to not release another album in 2010. They may have been caught off guard and didn't want to release it on short notice. They may have felt that the band still had to prove themselves by promoting Chinese before they would consider another album.
Axl has many options as far as how much material he wants to release with origins from the Buckethead days compared to how much material he wants to release with origins from recent years. Do you use some material from each? That's for him to decide. Had the 2010 album released, it would have been material that was ready to go before the 2008 album. For whatever reason, it didn't happen. So back to the drawing board you go. Whatever album we get in 2014 or beyond may have some of those songs or a lot of those songs. I don't know.
Artists are often whimsical in nature. He may have woken up one day and said fuck it, let's clear the vault and get that shit out in time for Reading. When he was told no, it's too soon, he may have been very upset. We know he quit the band and asked for all tour dates to be cancelled. He's a very emotional guy. He obviously has people in his life that care about him and encouraged him to change his mind. I'm glad they did because GNR is riding high right now and I think with some more luck, the next record has a chance at some level of mainstream acceptance.
I wish we as a community could move away from the "cd2" concept. Most of the songs were written after the songs on Chinese. Yes, many of them were worked on before Chinese was released, but it's not a sequel. It's its own album. neither (CD or the other one) is the left overs of the other. they are different albums. yes a few songs may have switched back and forth, but for the most part they were written during different periods.
Would make sense that stuff written in 02-06 would be stronger than 97-01. Imagine everything Axl was going through trying to rebuild the band, trying to make a record with no direction. I thought Chinese was great, but it would make sense the stuff written later in the sessions would be some of the strongest stuff.
#993 Re: Guns N' Roses » U2 Producer tells Axl story » 666 weeks ago
""It's not easy, it's not easy. I keep finishing it and handing it in, finishing it and handing it in," M.I.A. said earlier this summer."
This. Axl offered the album up for grabs in 2000. Bob Ezrin persuaded Jimmy Iovine to give them time at the Village to make it a Slash-less platinium seller. They re-recorded songs off the wall, to get CD sound like Nirvana. Brought in new songs, looked for the optimum collation of Pro Tools clips. Loads of variations for guitar parts. RTB was looking for a sound, Zutaut almost found an album. Which was the same 2000 album, re-recorded with some new songs.
We're now five years in waiting to a decade-old album.
#994 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sean Beavan interview (2012) » 667 weeks ago
I like the idea of old vocals being on some of the tracks
Had the album been released in the 99-02 period, I wouldn't have a problem with it either even though the album would have suffered from his laziness even then, but to release it in 2008 with no improvements shows he no longer cared about it. Probably stopped caring after the 2002 implosion if not sooner and Bucket fleeing the crime scene was its nail in the coffin.
He did some vocals post-Beavan. Sorry, Scraped, Shackler & Better. He did vocal overdubbing up to early 2007, which is when they said they wrapped recording up (took only, what, 18 months to approve the mixing, then). I would say, based on his actions, he did care, but was hopelessly slow in getting things done, still.
2002 would've been great. 2006 would've been surprisingly decent. 2008 was a non-event. Had they kept Tom Zutaut in 2001, they could've gotten away with it. At least he had a direction.
#995 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sean Beavan interview (2012) » 667 weeks ago
Yeah, the twenty-six tracks I counted were Beavan tracks not included on CD.
'We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done,' he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album. [...] Among Rose's favorites are 'Better,' 'There Was a Time' and 'The Blues.'" (Rolling Stone, 01/18/06)
CD leaves us with 18 songs on the 2006 list. The additional 4 can be old Beavan tracks and/or subsequent material.
But there's definitely an albums worth of material readied. Axl's either too chicken to release it or has a serious clusterfuck going on with the label.
#996 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sean Beavan interview (2012) » 667 weeks ago
There's certainly enough Beavan tracks to cover another album. If we look at how many of his tracks did go on CD, we get 9 songs. 35 - 9 = 26.
There's Atlas Shrugged and others; musically, I'd assume they'd include Bumblefoot and Ashba, but Axl might as well keep the vocal deliveries.
#997 Re: Guns N' Roses » A few more GNR questions we'll never have the answers too. » 667 weeks ago
I would say that GNR's web presence is a more curious matter than it at first may seem.
This band, effectively, shut down publicly following the release of The Spaghetti Incident in 1993. After that, two soundtracks in 15 years. The wait for CD began.
The Internet wasn't around for the early part of their career. Magazines, TV, radio, all covered them by default and were criticized by Axl in Get in the Ring. This was because the media was essentially dictating how fans would receive information. Dispensing information globally was at the hands of middlemen.
The Internet rose up as Guns went down. The media kept a firm eye on the next GNR album, because it was still a hot number throughout the 90s. Meanwhile, the fans began to gather to the Internet, and (unsurprisingly), found the band to have essentially no presence at all. So, they put up mailing lists, newsgroups, etc.
The Guns developed an "Internet following" this way. Active fans began to compensate on the lack of official information. HTGTH was around in '97, for one. Fans found similar company, flocked in, and waited on. That's the highly curious aspect of the whole group; all online fans were out there to hear news about Chinese Democracy.
In retrospect, it was what seems like a distinctly unifying concept, and became an allure to keep on waiting. The company was good, the myth was sound, there were tours or rumors of tours... The biggest band in the world had transformed into an Internet cult band, which had a fan base dutifully recording shows, sharing them and even creating and distributing promotional material in lieu of the ever-passive band.
Axl slid into that pocket with ease, if only he likened the Internet to a garbage can and called out fake insiders by name in RIR3. Later on, he complained about people downloading the leaks and complaining about setlists. We won't even go to his numerous tweets. Needless to say, be it the traditional media or the Internet, sooner or later Axl's feeling uneasy about how he's represented.
Frankly, I think Axl owes a lot of his paychecks to the existence of the Internet and the fanbase therein.
#998 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pretty cool video interview with Fortus » 667 weeks ago
But to muddle things further:
3. BETTER
(Rose, Finck)
Guitars: Robin Finck, Paul Tobias, Richard Fortus, Buckethead, Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal
"I think that we’ll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he’s already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album." (Axl, 2002 Tour Press Release)
#999 Guns N' Roses » Sean Beavan interview (2012) » 667 weeks ago
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Sean with his wife Juliette.
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I see you worked with Tommy Stinson. I'm a huge Replacements fan, so that's awesome as well.
Sean Beavan: He's a great guy. Juliette sang backup on that record. Tommy's actually like a really, really good friend. We got to know each other during when I was working on Guns N' Roses.
Which album that was?
Sean Beavan: The Chinese Democracy record.
Oh, boy...
Sean Beavan: Yeah, I worked on it from like '98 to 2000, something like that.
Juliette Beavan: It was two years.
Sean Beavan: Two years, yeah.
So, have you heard it? Have you heard the finished product?
Sean Beavan: I did hear the finished product.
And are your fingerprints on it at all?
Sean Beavan: You know, it's funny. I thought, it came out 12 years after I did it or something, but I was surprised 'cause Roy Thomas Baker took over and then some other people were doing some stuff on it, and I figured there'd be nothing on there. It turns out almost every vocal track was a vocal track I did.
Really?
Sean Beavan: Yeah, it's like really crazy. I don't think he sang after I [left].
That's what a lot of people are questioning, when those vocal tracks were [recorded], because you couldn't really tell, a lot people thought it was really layered, with some stuff from ten years ago, some stuff from today, you know...
Sean Beavan: Yeah, it seemed like there's a lot in there, and to Axl's credit, he's one of those guys, who's really meticulous at giving credit where credit is due and stuff. In the credits, he credited every single little thing I did and I was really surprised [laughs].
Juliette Beavan: And he makes a mean Margarita.
Sean Beavan: And he makes a damn mean Margarita. When we bought our house here, he came over to the housewarming party, and he got there around two in the morning, or midnight, and he started making Margaritas for everybody in the house and that was just awesome. So, to have Axl Rose making Margaritas for your friends... Our daughter got to ride a ferris wheel at his house too, on Halloween. It was awesome.
Juliette Beavan: She threatened to make him into a ham sandwhich.
Sean Beavan: Yeah, he was dressed as a pig and she threatened to make him into a ham sandwhich.
http://www.thepwashow.com/episode-27-8mm-interview/
Axl’s main Vocals: Chinese Democracy, Prostitute, If The World, There Was A Time, Madagascar, Riad N’ The Bedouins, I.R.S., Street Of Dreams recorded by Sean Beavan, engineered by Critter, re-edited, processed and engineered by Caram Costanzo (all Axl’s vocals produced by Axl).
#1000 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pretty cool video interview with Fortus » 667 weeks ago
You don't have to feel sorry to feel underwhelmed by a "big gun".
It's just a song like any other, at the end of the day.
My point is that CD, SoD and Madagascar are so far better songs than Prostitute or ITW, that Axl couldn't be serious thinking otherwise.
He could, easy. That's what I mean, it's rather dangerous to assume we know what went on in his head. When they played those songs in RIR, there was still the possibilty the album would come out that next summer.
