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#1241 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 715 weeks ago

I could get started, but here's a good point.

Bane keeps talking about The People, but the people of Gotham City do not appear in this film.

The People are entirely absent. Everyone we see dragging rich folks out of their homes, everyone we see freeing the men imprisoned under the Harvey Dent Act, everyone we see fighting the police in the big authority-vs.-rebellion showdown at the end, they’re all Bane’s staff members. The only character with a speaking part who expresses any support for Bane’s agenda and isn’t a known supervillain or paid-up member of the League of Shadows is Selina Kyle’s girlfriend Holly. It’s one of her three lines. Nobody got a SAG card playing a Gotham citizen in this movie; their only role was to cheer Batman in crowd scenes.

This is important: if the people of Gotham are present, then when the enforcement mechanism of the current power structure is removed, the people immediately rise up and overthrow the system. This would imply that Gotham citizens are so oppressed that only brutal enforcement keeps them from naturally rising against this oppression, which makes Bane the good guy. However, the people are not present; only Bane’s thugs rise against the rich. The people are so absent from this movie that, in every single vehicle scene, there are no civilian vehicles on the road. Everything on the road in every scene belongs to either Batman, the cops, or Bane, resulting in some rather odd-looking chase scenes down completely unused urban streets.

- The Good Men Project

#1242 Re: Guns N' Roses » North American Tour Stats for new Gnr » 715 weeks ago

Intercourse wrote:

They needed to be taught how to balance drugs and alcohol with being bosses of a huge corporation - all at 23. They needed a mentor.

U2 had Paul McGuinness and Zep had Peter Grant, both men were crucial to the continued success of the bands as they transitioned from citizens to icons.

True,

In retrospect, Alan Niven did some pretty hair-raising things for them, like confront David Geffen regarding the UYI's. He got fluent in dealing with their addictions, he tolerated their antics. And it paid off.

No matter how you slice it, Axl's detest for another authority in Guns broke their relationship down. He must've listened to those "you can get along by yourself" -speeches by sycophants one too many times.

Axl didn't break the band. He contributed to a bad situation a lot more than many others, tho. By the time Doug Goldstein was instated, it was pretty much over from an artistic point of view.

#1243 Re: Guns N' Roses » North American Tour Stats for new Gnr » 715 weeks ago

They also have a sizable overhead with the usual stage production.

The Azoff complaint mentioned Guns earned around $12,5 Million for the early 2009-10 tour legs. With some 32 shows, they average at $400,000 in revenues, which, I assume, includes merch.

Axl complains all managers want to scale things down by (for example) cutting it down to one tour bus. If the boss could be arsed to travel with the band, the band might be looking at earning additional hundreds of thousands of dollars per show. 

The Vegas thing is pretty much a god-send from a business point of view, given they got a good deal. In theory, the overhead is radically reduced along with travelling costs, the public exposure is there, this would be a time to aggressively sell the new band with new (yes, NEW) music.

Then they call it Appetite for Democracy and we cross fingers that Axl strolls into a local recording studio, or at least, saves up the dough in the band war chest.


It's a nice job, if you can get it. 3

#1244 Re: Guns N' Roses » North American Tour Stats for new Gnr » 715 weeks ago

In Europe, Guns' performance fee is generally around €1M.

This is for festivals / one-off shows in various countries.

Since they still get booked with their asking price, I'd say there's a lucrative market in place.

#1245 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 716 weeks ago

Intercourse wrote:

Two assholes in ego outer space after the UYI Tours.

You're quite right. Both went through a lot during that era. Axl, for instance, had some major changes of opinion during that era.

My father likes "Welcome to the Jungle." Ten years ago, if a song like that was caught in our house, man, it was over. But I can't hold how he once felt against him. - 1989

My stepfather is one of the most dangerous human beings I've ever met. - 1992

I'm mentioning this, as - while we all know Axl's insistence on regression therapy, which evolved into Yoda - he seemed to have a fairly cordial relationship with his (step)father up to a point.

I may be at a loss here, but it strikes to me as sycophants jumping in on a payday, feeding up his insecurities and systematically alienating him from the people around him.


Obviously, Slash would've gotten much of the same, although people would've likely focused on catering to his indulgences more than with Axl. Ax's the one who always felt good playing head games - only he wasn't good enough. sad

#1246 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 716 weeks ago

Say what you will, but Tommy has a degree of integrity. It's the thing Keef said to Slash: "One thing you never do; you never quit."

He seems to 'get' Axl, and understand how many things regarding the band are of his personal doing and how much is dictated from the outside. That has probably gotten him to stick around.

The paycheck is nice, but I doubt Tommy would hang in there solely because of it.

#1247 Re: Guns N' Roses » 12 GN'R shows in Las Vegas » 717 weeks ago

From Vegas to India...

Better go on stage on appropriate hours, Axl.

Your housekeeper wants that check.

#1248 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 718 weeks ago

If he could co-exist with Slash, they'd be the Stones of the era.

In some alternate universe, they are.

#1249 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 718 weeks ago

CD was a perfect storm in many, many ways. It's unique in many ways and that's why it's so deceptively fitting to Axl, of all people in the industry. Even the abbreviation could be said to symbolise the twilight of the commonplace physical format; the MySpace preview was merely icing on the cake.

No-one on top of the situation

Axl had some ideas. The label had others. There was not much dialogue between them throughout the years as they lacked an level-headed middleman. A&R Man Tom Zutaut was probably the best one on the job, but the War of the Yesmen (Axl's camp vs label execs) got even him caught up in a crossfire. Azoff got the job and cut the deal.

General disregard of public image

Has any CD lineup ever done a professional photoshoot?  Had they been marketed themselves as a band, they would've been more openly viewed as a band as opposed to the crazed hermit and his mercenary posse. 

Axl deciding when

Face it, he's always been late for everything.

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