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#1261 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

The amazing thing is that Better is actually a song off the Sean Beavan sessions.

The material leaked on Antiquiet is believed to come from a 14-track CD that was, effectively, a 'finished' version of the album circa 2006; Classic Rock has heard the majority of another 'finished' version of the album dating from the early 2000s.'

[...]

BETTER

Originally leaked to the internet in February 2006, this poprock track later appeared (briefly) on a Harley-Davidson ad. A more synth-heavy cut circulated on GN'R fan sites in February 2007, while a third version with additional backing vocals appeared on the Antiquiet.com website in June 2008.

Four distinct versions of this song exist; the earliest take, from the late 90s, showcases Robin Finck's guitar work and has a choppy feel. The first version to leak to the internet appeared in 2006, with an altogether smoother sound; Finck's solo was excised and replaced by Buckethead's psychedelic shred guitar. Subsequent leaks of the track in 2007 saw Finck's solo reinstated as a bridge section, along with grittier rhythm tracks.

- Classic Rock

#1262 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

First off,

the best-ever description I've ever heard of Guns was that they started as carefully managed sell-outs they are ending as less-carefully managed sell-outs. 

And if you think about it for a few minutes, it's actually quite apt. Live Like a Suicide was published by Geffen, covertly under the UZI Suicide moniker. This doesn't contradict the band's artistic merit or ambition, simply it just points out that they saw the money and took it, wasting millions on drugs, alcohol and whatever.

So, it's a bit of a curate's egg to say Guns have suddenly sold out. That much isn't news.

misterID wrote:

ANd bands have been doing private parties, functions, weddings, birthdays forever.

Sure. Corporate shows are probably the lowest of the low, but high-profile artists have participated.

Clearly fed up, in 1996 Molson held its first Blind Date Concert. The concept, which has since been exported to the U.S. by sister company Miller Beer, is simple: hold a contest in which winners get to attend an exclusive concert staged by Molson and Miller in a small club — much smaller than the venues where one would otherwise see these megastars.

And here's the clincher: keep the name of the band secret until it steps on stage. Anticipation mounts about the concert (helped along by national ad campaigns building up said anticipation), but the name on everyone's lips isn't David Bowie, the Rolling Stones, Soundgarden, 1NXS or any of the other bands that have played the Dates, it's Molson and Miller.

[...] The rock stars, turned into high-priced hired guns at Molson's bar mitzvah party, continued to find sad little ways to rebel. Almost every musician who played a Blind Date acted out: Courtney Love told a reporter, "God bless Molson.... I douche with it." The Sex Pistols' Johnny Lydon screamed "Thank you for the money" from the stage, and Soundgarden's Chris Cornell told the crowd, "Yeah, we're here because of some fucking beer company... Labatt's."

But the tantrums were all incidental to the main event, in which Molson and Miller were the real rock stars and it didn't really matter how those petulant rent-a-bands behaved.

- Naomi Klein: No Logo

It's how they make money. They can't rely on record sales anymore.

Here's the clincher:

"He's not motivated by money, he's motivated by his art." - Baz

"Axl Rose was one of the only artists I ever worked with who was never motivated by money. He consistently put the quality of his artistic output above all." - Tom Zutaut

"W, Axl Rose is not interested in fame, money, popularity or what the New York Times or any other paper for that matter might think of him." - Merck

I think you and I are on the same page here, but as you can see, many of Axl's cohorts have done their damnedest to prove otherwise. That's where the rub comes for many people - Axl is not motivated enough by money to go for a reunion, but he is motivated enough by money to play at a French wedding.

Is Axl crazy enough to gamble his mortgage for his obsession on Slash? Place your bets!

#1263 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

And you ain't been out in days
Will the sunshine burn your face
Preserve your precious skin
I'll go out, you stay in

What the hell do you want to be?
Following the trends that never end
I can't stand the parties you attend
So what the hell do you want with me?

So if you think I need some help
Climb out of your own shell
It'll make you think

#1264 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

then you read how Bucket was bullied out of the band and so on..

Haven't read that, but might like to.

Got a link?

#1265 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Beatles » 719 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

The one thing I don't have that I'd like to get is the Let it Be Movie.

Have a digital copy, seems complete to me.

It's rather widely available, methinks.

#1266 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

Expect songs co-written by the hangers-on, in case they wish to ensure a royalty share.

Axl & The Family Rose. Sheesh.

#1267 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

If they get an album out, it will be hard to continue the criticism as they will have done more in 2 years than all the "proper" management did in a decade.

Only two managers in the history of GNR have gotten original studio albums out of them.

Alan Niven and Irving Azoff.

#1268 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 719 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

I think Tommy was pissed about the added Abu Dhabi show after the Australian tour when they were suppose to be done as well.....

from the msl documents......:haha:
101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi

A lot of fish flying around that one.

In the TMS interview with Trunk, Axl mentioned in passing that the band almost got screwed in Abu Dhabi for one reason or the other. Wonderful journalism prevented the obvious follow-up question.


It's a wild goose chase to say what'd been eating Tommy at that point. I wouldn't buy the late addition to the tour itinerary straight-off, as shows this big are announced months before to ensure ticket sales. However, Doc McGhee was fired the next month, so there was a lot rumbling behind the scenes.

Educated guess would be that the biz end made everybody in the Guns organisation jump through some additional hoops while in Abu Dhabi. The Management would've convinced the band to go through with it as it pays off well.

The Axl interview in Gulf News and the brief promo video with the band were, I think, pushed by the promoters, given there'd been a long time since the Guns' last show in the region.

Notice how Dizzy appears to be either stoned and/or taking a piss at the situation while Tommy evades the camera.


Of course, MSL (among others) went on to say the band members weren't paid on time after all, which would've certainly created chagrin. Go figure.

#1269 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tour or album » 719 weeks ago

The only problem with any of the hacks is, to me, why would anyone bother to leave such obvious tracks behind, to warn all those involved that security has been breached.

You'd think someone try to recover something to give MSL something to boast about.

#1270 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tour or album » 719 weeks ago

For what it's worth,

Dexter posted on MyGNR yesterday to say there'd be a new album in 2012.

Today, all those involved claim it was a fake and beta's email account was hacked, which would've enabled the hacker to change the forum password.

Summa summarum, even the hackers are bored.

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