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#1341 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
APE just echoed my sentiments perfectly.
If middle England think the far right of the Tories are going to be looking out for their interests (give them more money, increase NHS funding) they're mistaken. If Scotland leaves you'll see people out campaigning in a decade and rioting against a government they just gave total authority over themselves too.
EU wasn't perfect, but quite alot of those policies helped people. I don't think people realize that this is alot different to a general election.
The issue is now that if their is a second referendum which I'm doubtful over to be honest, it's going to look like circus. It's going to make it look like we don't respect democracy and that the system is rigged, so that we just vote again until the desired result appears. Unfortunately I think it's in our own interests.
Even if their was a second referendum with a remain vote, it's quite clear this isn't a united kingdom.
#1342 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
Official campaigning is misleading, this has been all over the media for months.
Murdochs media have been going on about this since I was a child.
Oh and... http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.p … 84#p280784
#1343 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
BBC are bringing up the petition on news reports now after the media were downplaying it earlier in the day. Expect the petition to really start picking up votes.
That said, at most the petition will be discussed then dismissed. I don't think it'll go anywhere, but it's important that it's discussed that alot of people didn't vote for this.
I understand people fearing the coming unknown but on this side of the pond, you discuss these things before voting, not after a vote while begging for another chance to vote, and then after that vote, another one...
These things weren't really discussed though. The past several months have just been inflammatory nonsense/lies with people yelling "you're wrong"... kind of like on an Internet forum.
Their's been discussion about immigration and numbers being paid, but no explanation of what money is actually spent on. Lots of mentions of red tape, no explanation that many of those things the Tories call red tape are actually our rights.
It's been all about propaganda. This isn't democracy.
#1344 Guns N' Roses » 26/6/16 FEDEX FIELD, WASHINGTON, DC UNITED STATES » 541 weeks ago
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Attendance should be very interesting.
SETLIST:
1. It's So Easy
2. Mr. Brownstone
3. Chinese Democracy
4. Welcome To The Jungle
5. Double Talkin' Jive
6. Estranged
7. Live And Let Die
8. Rocket Queen
9. Raw Power (with "You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory" Intro)
10. You Could Be Mine
11. This I Love
12. Civil War
13. Coma
14. Godfather Theme
15. Sweet Child O' Mine
16. Better
17. Out Ta Get Me
18. Wish You Were Here (Richard Fortus and Slash)
19. November Rain (with "Layla" Intro)
20. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
21. Nightrain
Encore:
22. Patience
23. The Seeker
24. Paradise City
#1345 Re: The Garden » EURO 2016 Thread » 541 weeks ago
This referendum has distracted me. Forgot that the football has restarted.
#1346 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
Oh please.
What do you mean "under that system"? I see alot of Americans thinking that this is great, I don't think most of you actually know what the implications of this were.
Turnout among my generation seems like it was only around 40%. Alot of people voted based upon propaganda and nonsense from a rich Australian who owns most of the right wing media. The LEAVE campaign have been on TV for the past few months blatantly lying to people.
It's been a fucking campaign based upon a right wing civil war with alot of peoples jobs, futures at stake. Cameron only held this referdum, because he thought he could win a few more votes. He didn't actually expect people to leave. Boris the head of the leave campaign, probably didn't expect leave to win either.
Should also be kept in mind that the swing to LEAVE happened in the past few weeks. People threw in a protest vote against their government, not thinking about the consequences.
If their was a vote even today, it would probably be different once people actually figured it out. Also keep in mind, we haven't actually got to the part where we actually leave.
If we had remained by the same percentage, their would have been calls for a second referendum citing this being too small a percentage. Boris probably still would have ended up PM with Cameron forced to resign (albeit in different circumstances, due to his parties infighting), but he wouldn't have had another referendum. He campaigned for this, so that he would be seen as the heroic figure valiant in defeat. It's unlikely he ever expected to win.
Actually he compared the FREE MARKET/TTIP to Churchill and praised all of this just a few years ago. The only difference now was that he had a chance to become PM if he changed his mind.
#1347 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
Look at the numbers surge.
#1348 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
In my limited reading about the immigration situation, was the UK becoming really taxed financially because of EU people going and living there? Would they not pay UK taxes while they lived there to offset whatever expenses they may have caused for hospitals, programs, etc?
It was suggested we paid £350 million each week to the EU (Obviously not an exact number and it excludes the rebate, and the fact that almost half that money is spent on projects in the UK such as agriculture, cultural, infrastructure in impoverished areas, various things you'd never think off... that our own government couldn't care less about) that could be better of spent on the NHS, to build a new hospitals each week (ignoring issues with their not being enough doctors and 10% of them being EU nationals anyway).
It was a campaign fought on perception and fears. The perception won (despite those wanting to leave getting call out repeatedly on their nonsense and frequent back tracking).
They also kept going on about Turkey joining the EU any day now and suggesting that Iraq/Syria would be joining soon after (with leaflets through everyone's doors).
Immigration though according to government put in more than they took out. It was never really emphasized that people could immigrate the other way to Spain, France, Germany ect.
#1349 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
Well from a Canadian pov there was lots of discussions at work, tv & radio today
Lots of concern over economic implications with canada's ties to england/UK based on immediate stockmarket reaction to the "leave" vote
Lots of talk on whether northern Ireland and Scotland will try to separate from UK and try to rejoin Europe
General media excitement about Cameron
It's all uneducated rhetoric tho from what I'm seeing/hearing/reading
You know our media was campaigning to leave the EU to change to either a Australian or a Canadian style system.
You know, cause Toronto has no immigration? Everyone is white and only speaks English right?
It's a fucking charade.
Scotland will probably have another referendum (verging on certainty).
Northern Ireland though nope. Too much of our parents generation (the kind that grew up bombing each other and hating based upon religion). No chance of a referendum here (for a united Ireland), too much risk.
#1350 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 541 weeks ago
What's been the reaction of our EU forum members in different countries?
