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#1381 Re: Guns N' Roses » Article and review of CD in the Guardian » 913 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

That was CD album review? Where? She only mentioned one song.

The top piece wasn't a review it was an article just about Axls return and how it's good to see him back, even if there are a few scathing jokes aimed in his direction.

The second piece is the album review by a different journalist it just happened to be in the same newspaper on the same day so I posted both articles together.

#1382 Re: Guns N' Roses » more promotion - emails » 913 weeks ago

I'll have to keep a look out for that.

#1383 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 913 weeks ago

I don't understand all The Killers hate, they're a solid band imo, Sam's Town is a great album.

#1384 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 913 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:
A Private Eye wrote:

It was on the radio 1 'B' list when I checked the other day.

How long is it gonna be on that 'b list'? 16 Radio 1 is actually a good chart to monitor the band's success. Other than Billboard, that's the chart I used to watch monitoring the success of Kala's singles.

For those who don't pay attention to Radio 1, the 'b list' isn't necessarily a bad thing. The song is definitely getting plays.

I've no idea how long it's been B list, that was the first time I'd checked. As you say though B list is none too shabby, there's some pretty big songs in that B list. Worth remembering that radio 1 is very broad, this is probably the heaviest rock track on any of their daytime playlists.

As a rough estimation I'd say CD is currently averaging at least one play a day on radio 1. Most B list tracks seem to get that much playtime and from a couple of people I've asked who listen to radio 1 a lot more than I do that seems to be about how often it's getting played.

On the downside the track was no. 42 on the UK itunes download chart earlier. It was no. 3 on the rock chart though.

#1385 Re: Guns N' Roses » Article and review of CD in the Guardian » 913 weeks ago

I didn't think the article was all that bad, a few poor jokes and jabs aside (perhaps I'm numb to those when reading about GNR now). The little review at the end was what irked me, how they can call that a review is beyond me. Not one mention of a single song or anything.

#1386 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy official reviews thread » 913 weeks ago

Rock review: Guns N' Roses, Chinese Democracy(Geffen/Universal) Dan Silver

Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy Geffen/Universal  Imagine if 'Chinese Democracy' had never come to pass. Axl Rose would have retained an air of Machiavellian mystery and we would've remained complicit fall guys for the best joke played on the music industry. Now that this half-cocked hard rock anachronism is here, the only laughs are unintentional. Axl: you blew it.

2/5

#1387 Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy official reviews thread » 913 weeks ago

A Private Eye
Replies: 125

Guns N' Roses
Chinese Democracy
RS: 4of 5 Stars Average User Rating: 4.5of 5 Stars
2008

Let's get right to it: The first Guns n' Roses album of new, original songs since the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record. In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know. At times, it's the clenched-fist five that made 1987's perfect storm, Appetite for Destruction; more often, it's the one sprawled across the maxed-out CDs of 1991's Use Your Illusion I and II, but here compressed into a convulsive single disc of supershred guitars, orchestral fanfares, hip-hop electronics, metallic tabernacle choirs and Axl Rose's still-virile, rusted-siren singing.

If Rose ever had a moment's doubt or repentance over what Chinese Democracy has cost him in time (13 years), money (14 studios are listed in the credits) and body count — including the exit of every other founding member of the band — he left no room for it in these 14 songs. "I bet you think I'm doin' this all for my health," Rose cracks through the saturation-bombing guitars in "I.R.S.," one of several glancing references on the album to what he knows a lot of people think of him: that Rose, now 46, has spent the last third of his life running off the rails, in half-light. But when he snaps, "All things are possible/I am unstoppable," in the thumper "Scraped," that's not loony hubris — just a good old rock & roll "fuck you," the kind that made him and the old band hot and famous in the first place.

Something else Rose broadcasts over and over on Chinese Democracy: Restraint is for suckers. There is plenty of familiar guitar firepower — the stabbing-dagger lick that opens the first track, "Chinese Democracy," the sand-devil fuzz in "Riad N' the Bedouins" and the looping squeals over the grand anguish of "Street of Dreams." But what Slash and Izzy Stradlin used to do with two guitars now takes a wall of 'em. On some tracks, Rose has up to five guys — Robin Finck, Buckethead, Paul Tobias, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and Richard Fortus — riffing and soloing in broad, saw-toothed blurs. And that's no drag. I still think the wild, superstuffed "Oh My God" — the early Chinese Democracy track wasted on the 1999 End of Days soundtrack — beats everything on Guns n' Roses' 1993 covers album, The Spaghetti Incident?

Most of these songs also go through multiple U-turns in personality, as if Rose kept trying new approaches to a hook or a bridge and then decided, "What the hell, they're all cool." "Better" starts with what sounds like hip-hop voicemail — severely pinched guitar, drum machine and a near-falsetto Rose ("No one ever told me when/I was alone/They just thought I'd know better") — before blowing up into vintage Sunset Strip wallop. "If the World" has Buckethead plucking acoustic Spanish guitar over a blaxploitation-film groove, while Rose shows that he still holds a long-breath vowel — part torture victim, part screaming jet — like no other rock singer.

And there is so much going on in "There Was a Time" — strings and Mellotron, a full-strength choir and Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies, wah-wah guitar and a false ending (more choir) — that it's easy to believe Rose spent most of the past decade on that arrangement alone. But it is never a mess, more like a loud mass of bad memories and hard lessons. In the first lines, Rose goes back to a beginning much like his own — "Broken glass and cigarettes/ Writin' on the wall/It was a bargain for the summer/An' I thought I had it all" — then piles on the wreckage along with the orchestra and guitars. By the end, it's one big melt of missing and kiss-off ("If I could go back in time . . . But I don't want to know it now"). If this is the Guns n' Roses that Rose kept hearing in his head all this time, it is obvious why two guitars, bass and drums were never going to be enough.

It is plain, too, that he thinks this Guns n' Roses is a band, as much as the one that recorded "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Used to Love Her" and "Civil War." The voluminous credits that come with Chinese Democracy certainly give detailed credit where it is due. My favorite: "Initial arrangement suggestions: Youth on 'Madagascar." Rose takes the big one — "Lyrics N' Melodies by Axl Rose" — but shares full-song bylines with other players on all but one track. Bassist Tommy Stinson plays on nearly every song, and keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the only survivor from the Illusion lineup, does the Elton John-style piano honors on "Street of Dreams."

But Rose still sings a lot about the power of sheer, solitary will even when he throws himself into a bigger fight, like "Chinese Democracy." In "Madagascar," which Rose has played live for several years now, he samples both Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and dialogue from Cool Hand Luke. And at the end of the album, on the bluntly titled "Prostitute," Rose veers from an almost conversational tenor, over a ticking-bomb shuffle, to five-guitar barrage, orchestral lightning and righteous howl: "Ask yourself/Why I would choose/To prostitute myself/To live with fortune and shame." To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do.

#1388 Guns N' Roses » Article and review of CD in the Guardian » 913 weeks ago

A Private Eye
Replies: 31

Out of sight, but not out of mind

Why, like Guns N' Roses and Eminem, don't more acts choose to disappear from public view and retain some mystery, asks Miranda Sawyer

Miranda Sawyer

Though Guns N' Roses never rocked my world - apart from with 'Paradise City', a nursery rhyme with blow-off guitars - I was always quite happy that they were around. A Muppet Show rawk band, with names to match. Axl Rose in bandana, hi-tops and stars'n'stripes shorts; Izzy Stradlin, like John Cooper Clarke in a Ronettes cap; the two poodle blondes; and, of course, Slash, all hair, cig and top hat, so much like a living Muppet that it was a disappointment when he spoke. In your head, he talked like the Cookie Monster.

Mind you, that was 20 years ago. Since then, four original members have left, as have many of their replacements, including Buckethead, who liked to wear a bucket. On his arse. (Or am I wrong about that?) For the past decade or so, Guns N' Roses has just been Axl Rose. What has he been doing? Well, hiring and firing band members and managers; and obsessing over an album that has been scheduled for completion for, oohh, about a decade and a half now. This prannying about has given Axl a certain notoriety. Jon Bon Jovi, no fan of Mr Rose, complained two years ago that 'that motherfucker hasn't made a record in 13 years and he gets all that attention. You know what I've done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about him. Because he's a recluse.'

For a recluse, Axl gets out of the house a lot. He's managed to drag himself on stage for two Guns N' Roses world tours, in 2002 and 2006. He's announced the name of the forthcoming album, Chinese Democracy. Just in the past 24 months, he presented the Killers with an MTV award, was interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine and sang on Sebastian Bach's LP. Still, because he hasn't brought out any product, he's been labelled 'the Howard Hughes of rock'. By those standards, the Reynolds Girls are the Greta Garbos of pop.

Axl isn't a recluse. But he is awkward, precious and neurotic enough to piddle away an unbelievable career. Guns N' Roses' first album, Appetite for Destruction, was the second most successful debut album ever. The band's second and third LPs, Use Your Illusion I and II, released at the same time, went to No 1 and 2 in the US charts. No other band has done that. But in the 15 years since then, rap has replaced rock as the US's most popular music. Teenage boys go through their masturbatory machismo phase with hip hop, not metal, as their guiding light.

Will Chinese Democracy do anything at all? Well, of course it will, despite Axl sounding like he has been listening to a lot of Nine Inch Nails, as well as taking Buckethead's fashion tips a little too seriously. 'Chinese Democracy', the single that has finally arrived, is one big pile of rock pomposity - wiggly guitar breaks, 'serious' lyrics - let down by Axl's strange growling. Bring out the falsetto, Rose! Never mind. Another man with a Stone Roses approach to time-keeping, Eminem, is due to bring out his new album later this year or in early 2009, and I am genuinely excited about that. His new single, 'I'm Having a Relapse', isn't as in-your-face as you might imagine, especially compared to Guns N' Roses, or, more pertinently, 50 Cent. But it's still good.

Eminem and Axl Rose are important not just because they've been so successful. And not just because they're so similar, with that warped machismo, their desire to prove themselves to other males despite their mummy's boy nature. They're important because they disappeared. In a YouTube/Perez Hilton/internet era, both have managed to retain some kind of mystery, simply by staying home and not playing by record company schedules. Their fans - young, pumped-up, misunderstood men - still remain rabid. They just took some time out. And judging by the weight of expectation attached to their new records, you can understand why. That's some kind of pressure when, underneath it all, you're not completely sure of yourself.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/no … nda-sawyer

Rock review: Guns N' Roses, Chinese Democracy(Geffen/Universal) Dan Silver

Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy Geffen/Universal  Imagine if 'Chinese Democracy' had never come to pass. Axl Rose would have retained an air of Machiavellian mystery and we would've remained complicit fall guys for the best joke played on the music industry. Now that this half-cocked hard rock anachronism is here, the only laughs are unintentional. Axl: you blew it.

2/5

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/no … -democracy


Decent enough article, how they can call that a review though I'm not sure.

#1389 Re: Guns N' Roses » Radio Reacts To Guns N' Roses Single » 913 weeks ago

It was on the radio 1 'B' list when I checked the other day.

#1390 Re: Guns N' Roses » Crazy Theory regarding CD and Reunion » 913 weeks ago

I'm sure he said 18 months actually, he's got away with it for 6 months...

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