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#1451 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 753 weeks ago
Oh, so that's what you meant!
seriously! I said they all left at the same time, everyone knew what I ment
A trend is much different than 4 members that the world recognizes as Guns N' Roses all leaving the band over a period of time to which unless you'd been paying attention with a magnifying glass you'd think they all left at the "same time"
and then you had to go on and lecture me about the down to the second timeline of member departures to the point you started talking about Chris Vrenna.... Yeah and I like to argue... well maybe
but do NOT act like you were not pushing buttons big time for the sake of arguement.
Seriously, man. You're verbose and confrontative.
I respect the way you speak your mind, but your point gets oft lost in the mist (such as here), and then you engage in a debate with someone, who mistakes the point for something else to begin with.
#1452 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 753 weeks ago
Come and hang out, or forget the next paycheck?
Still can't see the reasoning there. Performing in the ceremony's one thing, attending there is another.
#1453 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 753 weeks ago
My guess on how Axl would want the RRHF ceremony to play out would be: current line present (yes, I think he's cocky and arrogant enough to do that!)
Oh, please.
If some current members attend their boss' party, how'd that be cocky and arrogant?
Tommy's been in the band nearly 14 years. You go tell him he has no right.
#1454 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 753 weeks ago
we allow Axl to realize his vision and to tour the world and do great things as GNR. If we didn't he would be sitting at home with nothing but a worthless name.
By endorsing the current live band, we do just that - our bit to prove promoters the current lineup is marketable. In return, we get a show by the current lineup (most of the time) and that pretty much ends our rope on the matter.
Buying a ticket to a show, a shirt or an album doesn't enable Axl to reunite the old band per se - it only helps to keep the brand alive, and as long as he's got that going for himself, a public performance with former members remains a possibility.
I argue that while we, the fans, do enable Guns to function on the level they even on this day, we are still on the opposite end of the consumer spectrum. We buy, we get the instant gratification in return.
We don't have vested interest to get the hit single out which will tear a new one in music charts, because we're not the people who invested millions on the music before it became widely available.
We are at the bottom of the food chain, the big middlemen obviously being the record company suits like Jimmy Iovine and performance procurers like Irving Azoff. Those guys have a lot to say in the context you speak of, because they have more of a direct influence on Guns, or any other such band.
The only downside in this is that we, the consumers to them, fans to the Guns, are the ones both parties work hard on cajoling. As long as any of them want to stay in the game, I do agree they should lend an ear to our ranks to get the unabashed truth of the way we see the world they're building.
Thinking about it, who's to say they're not watching?
#1455 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame » 753 weeks ago
I do think he's right about them owing it to the fans. I don't buy the argument that they don't owe us a damn thing. They wouldn't be millionaires without the fans buying their music in huge numbers over the years.
Well, I'd say that a bit of a two-edged sword.
Without people investing good money on Guns albums, shows and merch, there wouldn't be capita to share amongst the band members. Without a maintained popularity, there wouldn't be any public interest in a reunion. Their relevance and bankability are directly related to their legacy. But is the legacy the work of a band or an audience?
Surely, many good bands have their moment and 20 years later, have gone the way of the dodo, with some one-time fans scratching their heads at the name before finally placing it and digging up a worn copy of their debut album, which may or may not showcase a fledgling group about to peak. And it may still sound absolutely stonking.
Legacies are therefore created only partially by the artistic endeavor, although it certainly helps in the long run. An equally important aspect is exposure. People need to know who they are applauding, they need to have the idol doing rounds. They want to see and hear someone they can wholly relate, impressing millions while expressing singular sentiments. Slash doing his SCOM solos, Axl bellowing his screams.
However, simple marketing doesn't cut it. To create some to endure the test of time, one needs a myth with solid content one can go back to. Guns' discography is riddled with lesser-known gems aside rock radio mainstays. There's a surprisingly fair representation of varying influences in their work (compared to the overall number of releases) for a casual fan to sink their teeth into.
In regards to the myth, one could say Axl wrote the book. His rock n' roll bad boy behavior was legendary at its prime, the tantrums, the riots, the works. Looking back, I've come to think we did indeed witness a mental deterioration over the UYI tour, which the press reported in gusto and those close to him grieved to no end. Overall, Axl wasn't well as a human being, even if he put everything he had to every show he pulled off.
And there was always the album. That bloody album, which was said to have cast Slash out, took years upon years with nothing to show for, was the butt-end to every industry joke - and only after that did we actually start to hear some tracks off it.
CD never got a fair trial, simply because what was released in 2008 is hardly the exact same thing the band started working on in 1994. The great tragedy there is that the music on CD is inconsequential in regards to the status The Album had already achieved. I wager any another album with a different track listing would've been equally vilified simply because it would've been The Album.
Because with a band like Guns, The Album is an enormous deal. You have something to go in line with AFD, Lies and the UYIs. Great tunes, controversy, indulgence, exprimentation... The main discography has it all. Anything to be presented next to it has to have that same gestalt working for it, the all or anything attitude of boundless energy.
Without Slash, Duff or Izzy, CD does good as a Guns album. As The Album, it fails to deliver on the rockier aspects, but it does wax poetic very matter o' factly with TWAT, not to mention an overall strong early middle section from Better to CITR. When it comes to songwriting and lyrics, I maintain at least half the album is a kissing cousin to any previous Guns release.
The Album would've required an equivalent to YCBM, WTTJ, or whatever. Better needs a Slither to do rounds with. The Album would need a Slash to elevate itself to what public originally defined as Guns. It needs that bona fide guitar hero with a top hat to fully embrace the masses.
With The Album finally out there, Guns have a legacy immense. A RRHOF reunion is definitely expected and desired, and from the legacy viewpoint, Guns do owe the fans that. From an artistic standpoint, not as much. I can't see an album or a tour with the original lineup happening as anything beyond that last payday.
An individual track on the next release with guest appearances would be nice and would absolve Axl a whole lot in the public perspective. Moreso, a RRHOF reunion would be a pivotal step in the right direction and Guns' stock would soar because of it.
Axl completed The Album rigorously on his own terms, for better or for worse. He's got nothing to lose to take the stage with Slash and co in April, if he so chooses. In my mind, Guns do not particularly owe that to anyone but themselves.
It would be a great way to move beyond The Album, and pave the road for the release of an eponymous album, as I feel Guns are still to arrive to their ultimate peak.
Will it happen? We'll be a whole lot wiser in April.
#1456 Re: Guns N' Roses » Denver promoter held a gun to Axl's head in 92? » 753 weeks ago
The main point of the story is true. Guns started with WTTJ and played a few songs without Axl (So Fine, Attitude and a blues jam, btw).
Getting onstage at 10 p.m., the band ripped into Welcome to the Jungle, while a mammoth, inflated crab-like monster (no, not Axl) rose in an empty area of the lower southwest stadium stands. Not a bad opener, but what followed for three more songs simply upped the anxiety level.
Rose skipped offstage, leaving the rest of the crew to play without a net. Bassist Duff McKagan took over temporary vocal duties for two obscure songs, one a ballad and another Ramones-flavored, quick-tempo number called Attitude. The remaining band members then worked out a slow blues instrumental. Still, no Axl.
Slash went into a solo guitar spot until he was interrupted by a returning Axl, who told him to "shut up." Live and Let Die with Axl followed.
Then the band finally seemed to work its way into something resembling a groove for the blues-flavored Bad Obsession. Slash's slide guitar, and the inspired harmonica work of Ted Andreadis, were other bonuses. - Review
#1457 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » The Original Slash Les Paul » 753 weeks ago
The crux of the story is that Slash used Les Paul replicas. Now, nothing wrong there as they got the job done.
However, him being a corporate mannequin for Gibson now makes replicas a touchy subject. That's where the most disinformation spawns from.
#1458 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » The Original Slash Les Paul » 753 weeks ago
A nice enough read.
Smirked at the Joe Campbell references.
#1459 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nashville,TN Dec 4th Bridgestone Arena » 753 weeks ago
Am hearing Civil War on this stream. Cross fingers.
#1460 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N 'Roses will play in Poland! » 754 weeks ago
Good catch.
Guns would benefit of a date prior to June 8th, otherwise the attendance may be meek with everyone out for soccer.
seriously! I said they all left at the same time, everyone knew what I ment
but do NOT act like you were not pushing buttons big time for the sake of arguement.