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#1771 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses vs The Wiggles » 720 weeks ago
Dr Karl Kennedy >>>>>> The Wiggles >>>>>>> GnR
#1772 Re: The Sunset Strip » Warren Zevon » 720 weeks ago
oh just edited my post while you were posting that. yea the wind is a good next place to stop.
#1773 Re: The Sunset Strip » Warren Zevon » 720 weeks ago
yea one of the best american songwriters ever
accidentally like a martyr is one of my all time favourite songs, top 10 stuff.
my fave albums by him are the live album Stand in the Fire & prob Excitable Boy. but he's got a host of great albums really.
the wind is p special. he was never the most prolific but when he learned he only had so long to live he got cracking & made a really stunning final album. at times it's gutwrenching & other times just play rocking.
he had a sense of humour that you don't really get in rock music. or at least great rock music like his. there are a few sarcastic guys lyricist but none are as good a songwriter as zevon was.
but perhaps my all time best zevon moment is his cameo on the larry sanders show & larry makes him play werewolves of london when he really doesn't want to.
#1774 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs Led Zeppelin » 720 weeks ago
Slash would being gracious, but please.
Its the same ole, people grew up being told this is great and just kinda became so...
no one wants to say the Beatles Suck or Rolling Stones suck or Led Zeppelin sucks out of fear of ridicule so everyone agrees.........
this is an absolutely asinine & ridiculous idea.
what are YOU gonna do when someone younger than you comes along and says Slash or Richie Samboa suck? are you gonna congratulate them on not being afraid of being ridiculed?!
just because something is more relevant to YOU doesn't mean other things suck. you could try & appreciate what other people see in those artists.
& no one says they suck cause they're all fucking great.
re: Page vs Slash
Page was obviously technically better, perhaps the greatest white rock guitarist ever.
but i too prefer Slashs emotive playing.
Slash has the advantage as he got to translate Axl's turmoil & GnR's story into music. i don't thin Zep ever really got close to true blues/depression & anger of GnR's worldview, or when they did they went out of their way to disguise it somewhat. in that regard i find it much easier to relate to Slash's playing whereas w/Jimmy it's more straightforward badass rock n roll. that of course is a broad comparison, track by track w/both artists i'm sure there's overlap in my argument but by & large i do tend to prefer Slashs tone & style even tho it's plain Jimmy was more dexterous (& maybe even ambitious) in his playing.
#1775 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 720 weeks ago
What can he do? He has to play the hits. Slash... has songs he has to play too
this is a fallacy.
as is the idea most other bands' fans don't care about the setlist. (& it's not just GnR who have hardcore fans who go to multiple shows. *tho GnR are a special case because it's been p much the same setlist for 11 fucking years now, not just night to night on a certain leg!!)
they don't HAVE to adhere to that policy, they choose to. they choose the safety of it.
people are paying for a show. it's the performers decision as to what the show will entail. it's not up to the punters to demand the hits.
#1776 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs Led Zeppelin » 720 weeks ago
i've heard everything.
i didn't mean it as an insult, & you shouldn't take it so personal..
what i meant is basically "talent borrows, genius steals". (hell my favourite songwriter of all time is bob dylan ffs!) zeppelin weren't the first or the last to use that blueprint as a launchpad.
i'm just saying in terms of their influence it's easier to trace their blues origins than it is say GnR's punk infused classic rock approach, where you've got different influences less evident than in zeppelin's [initial] approach. & that's a factor in why zep would be considered more influential - it's easier to pilfer muddy waters & robert johnson than it is to trace the link between johnny thunders & elton john, y'know? there's more bands follow zeppelin's trajectory & influences than there are GnR's.
in terms of being more versatile i'd maybe concede that point too, but w/the amendment that those guys were professional session men before they were led zeppelin. gnr never had the professional musician background of those guys.
but it also leads to another point that zeppelin had 10yrs of evolution in them whereas, again to go back to my original point, GnR were perfectly formed on AFD & UYI. the breadth of ground covered across those works is astonishing (& a great accomplishment on it's own!) & they don't get enough credit for it, the songwriting evolution on UYI in particular from the three main guys is ridiculous really. so i don't really think Zeppelin were more 'dynamic', especially in the direction of the likes of DTJ/PTU sitting alongside Coma/Locomotive w/more traditional rock fare like RNDTH/Don't Cry.
#1777 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs Led Zeppelin » 720 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:zep didn't accomplish more. gnr did in one album what it took zep to do in 6 or 7, what it took the stones to do in 10 or 12.
imo there's no contest. i love zep. but they're quite easily second best in this discussion.
you don't get points for longevity. in a battle of sheer brilliance it's guns all the way.
A shitload more of Zeppelin's music endures on the radio today than GN'R. More bands by a long shot were influenced by Zeppelin than GN'R. Zeppelin sold three times as many records as GN'R. Please explain how in the world GN'R accomplished more than Zeppelin.
i didn't know that re: sales figures.
i don't know if that's entirely correct re: enduring on radio. i must confess i don't much listen to radio but when i do i think i'm more likely to hear GnR than Zeppelin, over here at least. or when i'm out a bar or a club i'd defo hear GnR more regularly than Zep, i mean SCoM is still a staple, i don't think that's true of any Zep (tho i concede your point that they've a larger selection of material from which to select). i hear more vintage stones even than zeppelin tbh.
re: influence
well that's a sticky subject. it's an unfair one to make i think. for one there's plenty of influential acts i think are shite so i dunno what it really has to do w/the debate. secondly, yea there's plenty of merit in zep's legacy but it's unfair simply because they went before GnR so you really can't compare on that basis either.
also, GnR were p much the full stop on hard rock - or at least the last mega band from the genre. they in effect ended it. no-one really came after them as there was really nowhere to go: and they couldn't exactly imitate the GnR attitude cause it's almost unique thanks to the nutcase in charge. whereas w/zeppelin, any blues-based band almost ha to go thru zeppelin at somepoint - gnr don't have the same exact frame of reference, it's harder to trace GnR's lineage cause it's so scattershot and all encompassing, zeppelin belong to a more defined territory & and therefore more recognisable in other bands. imo you're argument actually works in gnr's favour as it shows how different & special they were, they were perfect & inimitable whereas p much anyone can follow zeppelin's approach of modifying old blues licks long out of copyright.
(is it also worth mentioning here the cross-gender appeal gnr have as opposed to zeppelin??)
but basically, to go back to the original question & my original point: when you're as perfectly formed as they were '87-'93 it doesn't really matter what else happens or whatever other criteria you wanna hurl at them as an obstacle. it's the quality of the material that makes the case watertight.
i'm not saying zeppelin weren't great it's more than GnR were perfect. & yea they blew it but what they made, what they accomplished, w/AFD & across Lies & UYI put them above p much everyone in hard/classic rock & maybe rock n roll.
if it came down to a debate on just rock n roll i'd maybe take umbrage w/GnR being the best of the best but in terms of classic/hard rock i think they stand that little bit above everyone else.
#1778 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs Led Zeppelin » 720 weeks ago
zep didn't accomplish more. gnr did in one album what it took zep to do in 6 or 7, what it took the stones to do in 10 or 12.
imo there's no contest. i love zep. but they're quite easily second best in this discussion.
you don't get points for longevity. in a battle of sheer brilliance it's guns all the way.
#1779 Re: Guns N' Roses » Skwerl's post on MyGNR regarding his leak and his source » 720 weeks ago
Slash doesn't need or want a reunion so bad anymore. The balance of power has shifted somewhat.
#1780 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 720 weeks ago
It is known.
