yea i know.

obv i was wrong. you don't have a sense of humour enough to be trolling.
look at your two posts saying Twat is overrated in the context of everyone else's posts: you just repeat yourself w/o any elbaroating, your 2nd post inparticular seems excessive & posted for a reaction.
& what i said stands, your reaction to the replies you got was over the top.
i thought russ explained it quite clearly why he banned you for a few days..

you don't see anything wrong w/using language like 'people have issues' or that russ is 'delusional'?

unless this is still you trolling... i dunno man, you're confusing. are u trolling or not? i can't be sure anymore...
you're either irrational or really good at trolling.
(fwiw i didn't say you were a troll, i said you were trolling, there's a difference. i think i know you're capable of discussing topics in a rational way, but you're not exhibiting that here therefore my conclusion was you were trolling.)

i actually kind of agree w/the OP.

GnR were never a 'gateway' band for me. that's not STRICTLY true, but the only influences of theirs i came to thru GnR would have been bands you don't readily associate w/them, unless you dig into them - ELO & Elton John for instance, they're really the only 2 i got into due to GnR. (even then i'd prob be being generous, truthfully i came to ELO by way of Super Furry Animals).

the other influences they share such as The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Stones, Zeppelin, AC/DC, Aerosmith etc. i came to not because of GnR but of other ways. it was only after the fact i learned they were GnR influences - TSI was the last GnR album i got, bar CD obv.
by that i mean the stones/zeppelin/aerosmith are p ubiquitous, almost on a Beatles level of fame & exposure - elton John i was never exposed to cause growing up he wasn't 'cool' & the hits had dried up, neither were the stones considered particularly cool but you still heard them a lot more than you did elton john).

& this thing of not really being a gateway band has always been the case. i mean w/zeppelin & the stones & the beatles you dig into them & you get to the blues & early rock n roll & seemingly endless great music. you don't get that experience from GnR, & that's maybe cause what went before them wasn't as good as what they were.
i mean for every great stones or beatles song, you got a great robert johnson or little richard tune or buddy holly or roy orbison or elvis or muddy waters or bo diddley song, it's a really neverending exploration once you get thru those bands & into their influences. or the link between dylan & say the anthology of american folk music. i don't get that w/GnR, & that's simply because their statement & style was perfect & it was somewhat closer to being unique than any other major band outside of the beatles. they were universal, catholic in their appeal & approach. GnR took everything, pop, punk & rock n roll & brought to it a freshness & honesty & amazing, amazing tunes & combined it all in a way those bands of course didn't really have the chance to (tho the stones & dylan prob were punk before anyone thought of the term). they just encapsulated the spirit of rock n roll's history in their songs , & then they did it even better.

know what i mean?
let me try n clarify.
Radiohead. this was the first band that i got into that were really mine, y'know. GnR was passed down from my bro & maybe Nirvana & grunge from my sister, but Radiohead were my discovery & my own love (Oasis just didn't cut the mustard really, their lad culture i found somewhat off-putting as well as their multitude of boring songs).
but gradually overtime as i past thru Radiohead onto the likes of Can & Kraftwerk they got pushed well down the pecking order. now i have a passing interest Radiohead, i'm left relatively nonplussed by them to be honest. but for years i was hardcore, i was there for Kid A leaking, the Amnesiac surprise, the HTTT leak debacle (i remember vividly d/lin & uploading w/intense excitement & anguish over fucking dial-up speed internet - trying to d/l 13 songs in about the same amount of hours, oh those were the days!!). but now, i've completely dropped off.
that, maybe unfortunately, has never happened w/GnR. i still get ridiculously excited by AFD/UYI. it's still music that resonates so deeply it's bizarre, i still get that crazy chemical reaction from GnR that i did when i was a teenager, it's like an invincible energy.

so yea, i can excuse people for being solely hardcore GnR fans & not really feeling the need to investigate further. i have investigated further & rarely found anything as great.
that's not to say there isn't greatness out there (i dunno anymore if i could say AFD is unquestionably my favourite album ever), i'm just saying GnR are as good as it gets so can understand people not needing to find other music.

Yea I know that..

Just, r u on a beta version of that site?

I'll tell you what bugs me about twat & Australian people: they always seem to pronounce it was TWOT, like they have an aversion to the hard A sound. Is this true across the board? Maybe our antipodal members can clarify this for me?

The first few times I heard an Aussie voice say twat I didn't have a clue what they were talking about, then I thought they were trying to be polite in some weird way..
I guess it's just a linguistic thing, the same way Canadians struggle w/'OW' sounds..??

& I mean no harm by this. As an Irishman I'm all too willing to revel in the bastardisation of the English language, it's just that it seems a waste to not give a great word like Twat it's full force y'know?

Bounce?! We're bouncing now?!

I am officially now super excited. Thought that trailer was awesome.