You are not logged in. Please register or login.
- Topics: Active | Unanswered
#201 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:He was literally taken out by a good guy with a gun. It might have happened sooner had the police not stopped people from engaging him for an hour.
The good guy with a gun arrived about when the cable guy would have…way later than he was needed and a few dozen people too late.
Anyway…save some energy for the next school shooting ID.
They were held back by the cops on the scene. If you want to make an ass out of yourself, go ahead.
Weren't the cops suppose to be the good guys? 
Anyway...I'm tired of this debate...it's stupid...and it's going no where and when it happen to you don't fucking complain.
#202 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:So much for the good guys with a fun theory….
He was literally taken out by a good guy with a gun. It might have happened sooner had the police not stopped people from engaging him for an hour.
The good guy with a gun arrived about when the cable guy would have…way later than he was needed and a few dozen people too late.
Anyway…save some energy for the next school shooting ID.
#203 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
https://thehill.com/changing-america/re … immutable/
This is the court case I've been waiting the past decade for. This will make it to SCOTUS and they'll finally validate that men can't become women and vice versa. Screaming "bigot" may work on Twitter and on MSNBC, but in the court of law, Gender Fluidity advocates are going to struggle.
You’re not even trying to hide your disdain for the trans community anymore are you?
Can you imagine waiting around 10 years to watch people have the ability to choose their own identities taken away?
I hope you take the week off and really celebrate that moment.
#204 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
I've always thought that the military should protect our schools
The fact that schools over in the US need protection at all, is just bizarre from the rest of the world watching this senseless madness going on.
But keep on keeping on.
Nothing will change because your stance on the second amendment will not change.
Just another week and another shooting.
Soon you’ll all be numb to it
We are already numb to it. Look at all this outrage that will ultimately lead nowhere. It will lead literally no where.
The American school is anything but a school these days. It's the crossroads of everything that is wrong and sick with American culture. It's where all the parents who don't want to raise their own children meet. It's where these same parents expect the schools to raise children and get outraged any time the school does anything even remotely disagreeable.
It's a place where all of the corners or our socioeconomic spectrum meet. And they don't meld together, it accelerates the process of children splintering off into their own sects and alliances. The politics and drama of teen years is top priority. It's never more obvious to an adolescent who got the inside track in life and who didn't in the American public high school. In fact, it's waved in faces almost as if to taunt the majority who are clearly not on the inside track of American life.
It's a place where teachers are completely controlled (or at least attempted to be controlled) by policies that control curriculum down to the minute level. It's a place where curriculum is altered so as not to offend anyone with any particular knowledge or whose sensitivities might be challenged. In fact, in many places in this country, schools are about indoctrinating people into accepting the American system and way of life. A typical history curriculum in this country will leave out details like: George Washington had slaves! The problem is indoctrination doesn't require teaching someone to think. In fact, it requires the opposite.
It's a place where the special needs population is grossly underserved. A child with special needs in this country can make it through 12 years of schooling without learning a single new skill.
And as schools in this country slowly look more and more like prisons in which factions of 'gangs' fight over hallways like the French and the Germans fought in trench warfare in WW1, the solution to gun violence gets lost. And the secondary and tertiary problems surrounding it all become increasingly unaddressed. Fuck...we can't even agree that there is a problem in the first place.
#205 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
So much for the good guys with a fun theory….
#206 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 162 weeks ago
Battling inflation is something both parties agree on….but neither do anything about.
This scares me for two reasons….we are once again attacking each other. What we won’t do is look for solutions. And two…more frightening is that there may not be a solution.
Make no mistake about it….the price of oil by the barrel is less than it was when Trump was president…but gas is more expensive. Why?
I accept school shootings are Americana now. Why not? We don’t give a shit about each other. Guns have more rights then people.
#207 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 163 weeks ago
My thinking is kinda like.....
For the most part humans are born with hearing and with ears. However sometimes someone is born with no ears, or with deformed ears, or ears that don't work. We find ways to integrate those people, help them fit in with the hearing world, and not be mean to them. But we don't try and say that they CAN hear....we don't try and say that there is no such thing as hearing or that ears are just a sociological invention.
I see sex somewhat the same. There are men and women. For the most part everyone is one or the other but every now and then someone is born with biological differences, so that they may have some unusual combination - such as a penis and ovaries together - or some of their parts may not be functioning in the normal ways. We should be nice to these people and find ways to include them. However that doesn't mean that there's no such thing as men and women in the first place.
I can't see why that's even a contentious issue to me.
As for other gender stuff, there is a social aspect to it as well as what's innate. Like I think about how tough my grandfather's whole generation was compared to mine. Some of it was they were raised and expected to be like that I think. So I think that's a factor in how we act as well. Or look at how socially women now are so much more overtly sexual (instagram etc) publicly than they were in the 1980s. There's aspects to men and women's behaviour that's biological but there's also trends and social pressures.
As for trans stuff.
I know there's real people with gender dysphoria. But it used to be rare. And lots of the modern cases seem to be people that would have fitted under the old order of things. Like we used to be able to have gay people who were certain they were male and just also liked other males. Some of them were effeminate sure but some of them were as tough seeming as any straight jock type. Likewise with lesbians there used to be glam lesbians and butch type lesbians but they didn't need to think they are the other gender. And then there were straight tomboy style girls too - who like men as much as any other girl but they just happen to like traditional male hobbies over girl stuff. And you have straight guys who like theatre and dance and stuff but don't think of themselves as women or want to be with a guy or anything - they just like some hobbies people associate with gayness.
These days we'd be in a rush to reassign all these people. It's almost like the definition of male and female has become narrower not wider.
I think this was a well thought out post.
When people begin to open themselves up to the idea that gender and sex are two different things i think they will be a profound moment in our country’s history.
Even more, when people realize that there is no bigger political voting bloc than the straight white male, they’ll understand why this is such a politically motivated discussion.
#208 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 163 weeks ago
Edit: this is funnier than getting drawn into another ridiculous argument
https://twitter.com/lovely_2_c_u/status/1521309930392743936
[/embed]
Thanks Howard Stern
#209 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 163 weeks ago
Side-stepping Mitch. I’m sure you’re okay with teachers telling your kids to lie to you. Or brining your child into a club under false pretenses, not because they asked for it or actively sought it out.
No one is pretending things don’t exist, but at the very least, a parent has the right to opt their kid out of these things.
You act like it’s the rule and not the rare exception.
Either way, ignorant parents make for ignorant kids.
#210 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 163 weeks ago
Mitch, maybe accidentally, touched on a sort of good moral point when he said parents aren't always right. Not one really to debate but to reflect on.
I remember getting taught about the civil rights and suffragette movements when I was growing up. I also remember as part of divinity studies getting taught about various different religons, their beliefs and practices. I also remember being taught about contraception, despite going to a Catholic school, because it was part of the national curriculum and had to be taught.
If I had parents whose personal viewpoints disagreed with any of those topics, or disagreed with me being taught about them, are they in the right if they complain to the school or government and demand I am not taught about them? By modern standards learning that racism is bad, women being able to vote is good and knowning about safe sex practices all seem like sensible things to be taught. Rewind like just 10-20 years before I was in school and some would have objected to those things being mentioned.
On the topic at hand. I don't see how it's harmful to explain to kids that some people are born a boy or girl but later realise they are more comfortable identifying the opposite way. Also, don't see how it's harmful to acknowledge that some kids in the class might have two moms or two dads instead of a mom & dad.
I don't know the extent of the education being offered in various states in the US, but those two key points can be delivered in an uncontroversial and age appropriate manner and it seems really close minded to say that they can't be. Schools don't just teach kids maths, literature, languages and science. They also teach kids about the modern world we live in, about society and prepare them for life in general. It's why schools also teach things like cooking etc. as well.
You started off with a kind word. Thank you for that.
I think you, perhaps more eloquently, articulated what i was trying to get at…
Despite what some others say, i think it’s absolutely a pertinent point.
