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#2141 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 744 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

If he's America's great songwriter, we suck.

buzzsaw wrote:

I like Nirvana; I just have a realistic opinion of what they were.

so what is it, do you lke them or do you think they suck? 10

Smoking Guns wrote:

What is popular isn't always great, what is great isn't always popular. Nirvana was just a much about pop culture, image, etc.

the fuck does this even mean?
you think they werre built like some preening pop-stars? like nicki minaj? where the industry made them?
they recorded one of great debut albums for something like $600.
why don't you accuse GnR & Slash of using their place in pop culture & their tired old cartoon images for success? at least Nirvana brought something relatively different to the table.

misterID wrote:

The big joke when it came out was that no one could even understand what Kurt was saying.

again, what are you talking about?! i don't understand what YOU'RE saying?! what's your point?

monkeychow wrote:
johndivney wrote:

Cobain was the greatest American songwriter this side of Dylan. CitR wouldn't have been fit to wipe Kurt's ass.

I guess it depends what you're after.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Nirvana.

As I said, I think it captures moods really well.

But from a composition point of view it's nothing special, simple chord structures, simple melodies, Cobain doesn't have strong guitar technique, lyrics were nearly almost secondary to music writing in his songs - and while sometimes they hit an amazing phrase, there were large chunks of unintelligible words and places where the words struggle to have any co-herent meaning even to poets.

It's just not the most musical of bands..the backing synth just in November Rain shows an understanding of chord structure and melodies beyond the entire Nirvana catalogue.

That said....Nirvana were a great fucking band.

Their real talent was in:

1. Arrangement and Dynamics - as I said Kurt can hardly play the guitar - but damn he uses what he can do well - lots of changes between loud and soft...making the most of simple things....clever use of arrangement and strengths and weaknesses.

2. Emotion and Mood - Kurt can scream out some nonsense about Bananas but you can feel in his voice he really for real hurts down in his soul that it's painful. The same kind of stuff that drove him to drug addiction and to death...it's all there in his music.

i think we're listening to different bands, mate.
or for different reasons.

that first bolded point is baffling me. if you guys can't see the power of cobains words well then its obv not happening.the depth, humour & wit  of his lyrics are an integral part of his genius.
it all had meaning.

in terms of that seconded bolded point, we're definitely listening for different reasons.
for me, kurt resides in the folk music idiom - where all the greatest music should. he's in that lineage descending from the great bluesmen all down thru country & rock n roll. his songs can be played as easily around campfires (All Apologies, anyone?) as they can in stadiums. there is a lot to be said for immediacy & simplicity. less is more. just because you add layers doesn't specifically mean you have a 'better understanding' than someone who doesn't, you're just reaching for different things.

i firmly believe he's a song-writer & storyteller in the mould of the greats. going back to robert johnson/blind willie mctell thru to hank williams. he is tapped into that same vein or brutal honesty & brilliant immediacy. in fact you list any of the great american songwriters - holland/dozier, dan penn, dylan, townes, prine... he sits alongside them comfortably in whatever way you wanna come at it - he had the tunes & he had the stories. & he was able to rock as hard as any of his contemporaries. he was extraordinary. or as extraordinary as only the greats.

#2142 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 744 weeks ago

As a album it's a hodge-podge collection of songs w/o any real cohesion.
I don't think there is a real CD album per se, a finished definitive track list/vision. I think that, along w/the quality of a few songs, scuppers the potential of the album.

#2143 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 744 weeks ago

Cobain was the greatest American songwriter this side of Dylan. CitR wouldn't have been fit to wipe Kurt's ass.

His song-craft was just the greatest of his many talents. E.g. Polly - are you kidding me? Everything else comes second to his songwriting ability.

Not great songs? I dunno what to say, really. His contribution to the great American songbook couldnt possibly be overstated. He simply was blessed w/an extraordinary gift very few storytellers can match.

#2144 Re: Guns N' Roses » Change that robe, Axl » 744 weeks ago

i actually like that dirty old uncle axl pic in the dressing gown. it speaks to me. it's honest. he's crazy & doesn't give a fuck & he's still plowing young pussy. he's got it made ffs!

#2145 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 744 weeks ago

Aussie wrote:

When CD was the first single and you could stream it online with the count down clock, I sent the link to a heap of people. A number of them were saying the link wasn't working and they couldn't hear anything. What actually was happening is they were looking at the link, but the intro to the song was taking so long they ended up closing it because they didn't think it was working.

people w/that lack of an attn span don't deserve to listen to the song.

however i do fully understand those that turned off the album's stream after Shackler's Revenge! i always found that one of the funny footnotes of the mess, the discrepancy of those who listened to CD & then didn't listen to the rst of the album after SR started.

#2146 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 744 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

SLTS is one of the most overrated songs ever.

roll
we've heard this all before.

given the song changed the world, changed many millions of people's lives, i'd say it's underrated.

it's not even that it's comparable to ever-lasting great songs like My Girl/Goodnight Irene/By the Time I Get to Phoenix/Dark End of the Street/Satisfaction/Imagine/Sweet Child/whatever the fuck.

it's that the song is a self-contained revolution, comparable to the likes of Like a Rolling Stone/Good Vibrations/Be My Baby & very little else.


it's not my favourite Nirvana song, & not even their most memorable riff (that's Come as You Are - my fave Nirvana song is Dumb), but its impact is ridiculous. its influence indescribable. one of the greatest most important biggest songs in history! overrated my backside!

#2147 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 744 weeks ago

well, CD was already wrecked upon release before the lukewarm reception - the booklet for one, the promo for another. the farting around/merkiness etc.

what's stranger is how he has clung onto it still, 5 yrs down the line. instead of just writing it off, he just cannot let go.

it is akin to 17

#2148 Re: Guns N' Roses » When's Album? » 744 weeks ago

apex-twin,

do you think there'll ever be a new GnR album?
Or, can you see that possibility? That there wont be another one?

#2149 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 744 weeks ago

well you rem how pissy axl was regarding the SCoM single edit..

i do know where youse are coming from - it's a stunning, wonderful close to the actual album, but in terms of being a single it wouldn't work.

#2150 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R to play RIR 2013? » 744 weeks ago

some yrs ago it was held in Lisbon as Rio couldn't afford it i think. don't think that's such an issue now tho..

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