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#2271 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
Bullshit bullshit bullshit...
And despite the fact some of you say the RRHOF didnt' mean anything to the fans well it did and you're full of shit cause had they all showed up you'd all have thought it was an incredible moment for the fans and band alike. BUT because Axl & Izzy didn't show up up it's not that big of a deal. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
fuck you, you mindless idiot. try replying once w/o condescending into mudslinging.
prick.
#2272 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
Ummm.... I can't speak for anyone else but NO. This is just people taking the backlash against Izzy personally and thinking that it's all about Slash when the reality is it has to do with Izzy and him blowing off the fans at the RRHOF which is what he did. It has nothing to do with Slash. Had Izzy played with Slash he'd still be geting this flak because again it's not about Slash. fans wold say "why the fuck can he perform with Slasha nd the others now but not on that one night?" It's about Izzy being "too cool" for that one night to show up and pay some repsect to the fans who helped him afford the lifestyle he has today. But that whole point is clearly beyond some of you because you so desperatrely want to make it an Axl vs Slash thing. It must be easier for some of you to digest if it's that simple.
i think this is an unfair reading of the situation.
& in fact, in speculating like this you're guilty of what you accuse faldor & mrID & others of when you say this & this: "Problem is you're laying it out in a way that doesn't even exist."
Izzy didn't blow off the fans.
if you think the RnRHoF was about or in anyway 'for' the fans then you've consumed & accepted the media spin.
it is NOT the 'point' of the HoF for people to show up & pay respect to the fans. that is the absolute fallacy which you're basing your argument on.
from what i can tell Izzy blew off the HoF because of the brouhaha & drama. not because he wanted to say fuck you to the GnR fans.
Izzy acted w/the decorum we've come to expect. it's the likes of you, Monkey, SG et al who have misconstrued, spun & taken it as a personal insult.
i'm a fan of the band & i wasn't insulted by him not appearing.
but to simplify it is as disrespecting the fans rather that examine Izzy's track record or the nonsense of the HoF is probably easier for you to digest so have at it. you have your truth, i think it's completely wrong.
#2273 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses ban fans from wearing Slash t-shirts to their UK gigs » 753 weeks ago
I don't have the right to ask for anything I guess, but looking in the window it seems like he's paralysed by issues, psychological, business, and otherwise...and that it's time something was done to help him out of the rut.
He is one of the greatest songwriters in the entire world, and he currently has assembled a truly incredible selection of talent. But yet he remains paralysed...unable to release new music, and live only recreating things from yesteryear.
I have no ill-will toward him at all, but I'm starting to feel it's time something was done to fix this situation...although I have no idea how.
Does he even care?
This never ending tour is confusing - is it to raise funds to keep the brand going, or is it to keep him in the life he's accustomed to, or is he really so demented he's still beating his Chinese Democracy drum??? Or something else, more simple & genuine?
I tend to believe he simply doesn't have the inspiration or anything 'to say' & that, coupled w/his lengthy gestation style of song creation, makes me think progression, newness, isn't even on the agenda let alone a distant goal...
It looks like he's misplaced his creativity. It's looked like that this long time, really. For a long time he's seemed more interested in business conflicts & petty powertrips than making songs that rock.
#2274 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
Ok. I love Axl or at least what Axl contributed. One of the greatest frontman ever. But yeah, I am sick of his bullshit. But aren't we all
I actually meant Izzy! Lol
U can say what u like about Axl, he deserves it!!
#2275 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
so what's your fucking point?!
axl wasn't noble in his reasoning not to go. doesn't mean he wasn't correct.
(i never said he was noble. i said the truly correct thing to do woulda been from the get go to highlight the fundamental issues of what's wrong w/the hall & decline it then.)
if axl had of attended i'd have lost a little respect for him - if i have any left.
if he hadda attended the Hall would still be the sham ive known it to be my whole life.
you are the one making this something it's not.
you're the one still banging on about the RnRHoF.
you're the one w/the wild speculation & snide attitude, towards a guy who helped make music you love.
#2276 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
You are right, MTV awards 2002 was bigger.
your petty sarcasm is getting really tired.
im sorry for you that you have been hoodwinked into thinking the RnRHoF is somehow "something for the fans". in reality it's a corrupt institution that does far more damage than good & exhibits a near total ignorance of Rock N Roll.
but you keep on believing the spoonfed crap that it's a legitimate body out to help fans celebrate. & then use it as an excuse to bitch & moan & press your nonsensical agenda.
Izzy & Axl were right not to attend. the only thing they did wrong was not coming out from the fucking get-go & tell them where they could stick their fucking nomination.
#2277 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
Wasn't one of biggest night in GnR history for me. I didn't want them inducted in the first place.
You, SG, put far more importance on the RnRHoF than it deserves.
#2278 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 753 weeks ago
The people who throw a shitfit when Slash's contributions to GNR were downplayed are now downplaying Izzy's contributions to GNR. You guys are what you hate. Hypocrites. Double-talking jive motherfuckers.
GNR fell apart when Izzy left. First musically, then literally.
Hell, he might have been the most important member of GNR--taken as a whole. He was the lynch pin. The glue.
How come there was not outcry when he played with VR. Where was the outrage?
The fact is, Izzy is the single most independent of all the past members. He moved on first with Ju Ju Hounds then solo without relying on his ties to GNR nearly as much as everyone else.
This.
All Truth.
#2279 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses ban fans from wearing Slash t-shirts to their UK gigs » 753 weeks ago
And of course whenever something does go awry, either he or them blame the media, the haters, Slash, the sponsor, the promoter, the label, the road crew, the fans... anyone and everyone for the screw up and the confusion before they look at Fu Man Puss and go "I fucked it up".
Very very true.
#2280 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses ban fans from wearing Slash t-shirts to their UK gigs » 753 weeks ago
Some funny shit there man.
BUT, axl's a reasonably intelligent guy, singleminded & does retain venom for his enemies. Is he really so weak or out of touch that he lets these people make these moves w/o his consent?
Tbh Yahoo et al blaming him & castigating him for this could be a good thing. Hopefully it blows up so much they have to address it.
I don't think they will tho. They'll all bury their heads in the sand & carry on doing whatever it is they do...
