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#221 Re: Guns N' Roses » South American tour has begun » 493 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Had someone done this about Obama, who I didn't vote for, I would say the same fucking thing. You just don't go there.

Well, the thing is, the president-elect brought it onto himself by advocating intolerance and, in this case specifically, attacking the Mexican people with those talks of a wall. That's bigotry.

I hear what you say about Obama - dedicating One in a Million to him or whatever would've been dire. It would've been conceived as an attack on an ethnic group - you just don't go there. However, the president-elect did go there, numerous times.

Axl's just one of the Americans who's exercising his freedom of speech against that message.

Smoking Guns wrote:

What message is he sending here? To assinate Donald Trump?

Maybe the 2nd amendment people could do something about it, eh? You reap what you sow.

Smoking Guns wrote:

What constructive comes from this? Nothing but more hate and divisiveness. Just shut up and sing.

Are you suggesting the president-elect is beyond criticism over what he's been saying throughout the election, now that he's about to enter the office? He's gone on the record to say downright horrible things about women, ethnic groups and whomever, and has pretty much insulted every other demographic than the unemployed caucasian males. Yes, he had female voters and people from other groups, but my point remains - he stirred up a whole lot of crap in order to win the race.

People remember those talks and have full right to say, 'We disagree, and you should check your tolerance while entering the Oval Office'.

#222 Re: Guns N' Roses » South American tour has begun » 493 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

So fucking lame of Axl. Pretty embarrassing. Most embarrassing thing he has done on 20 years.

Oh, come on. Calling Slash a cancer and withholding an album due to insecurity for over decade surely rank higher than that.

And, to be fair, the Mexicans had to tolerate all that talk about a wall, which they would (in someone's mind) pay for. That's hardly a nice thing to say and to repeat over and over again.

Axl took an issue with those sentiments and is using his stature as a public person to express his discontent. Would you prefer him to be apolitical and care only for his paycheck?

#223 Re: Guns N' Roses » Song Idea for GNR » 493 weeks ago

Those Slash's 'seeds of songs' were revealed by Fortus almost exactly two years ago. By hindsight, we know that reconciliation was happening at the time. Surely, there's a backbone to a new album -  Slash mixed with CD material, the very thing Axl always wanted to achieve.

The question is, how to release and sell an album in this day and age. Personally, I'd go for a digital release with a limited edition vinyl. The real reason, however, would be the opportunity to keep on touring. They could do another globe-trot without complaints. That's what acts of Guns' stature are supposed to do, surely. Release new music and tour behind it.

Duff has the business acumen and Slash the work ethic to talk Axl into it. They all know this is an opportune moment to cash in. Having said that, there's bound to be a heap of things, legal and otherwise, that'd need to be settled beforehand - not to mention, seeing how the reformation does financially and how the band dynamics evolve.

#224 Re: Guns N' Roses » South American tour has begun » 494 weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkslQjiSvKc

Strong screams. Short, but strong.

#225 Guns N' Roses » South American tour has begun » 497 weeks ago

apex-twin
Replies: 23

In Rosario, Argentina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ONmbsP0Fs

That crowd is intense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKlznItTrDg

#226 Re: Guns N' Roses » Oct 31 1996 » 497 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:

Reading that missive, I'd say there was a whole lot of snow going thru his head at the time. But that's the thing with Axl: with most anyone else you could say it was the coke, but with him.. well he just might be like that without the drugs.

That's actually a real funny description. 16

And it's true. Look at The Making of 'Don't Cry'. They're doing a video to a simple love song Axl and Izzy wrote years back. Now, Izzy's gone and Axl's going on and on about this character he's playing, some sort of mythical gunslinger. That and his preoccupation with death (camera diving underground, into his grave) and reincarnation. What in the blazes does all that have to do with the song?

What about November Rain? Axl marrying Stephanie Seymour on MTV, with her character effectively killing herself? Hardly self-aware stuff, otherwise Uncle Axl might've thought twice about displaying a relationship that was, effectively, dysfunctional and tragic. Further videos, Estranged and Since I Don't Have You, feature him as a character drifting further into his own world.

SIDHY is particularly interesting, when you consider that Axl's in trouble, Slash is on a boat trip with the Devil, Duff and Matt are enjoying the easy life, Gilby's cooking and Dizzy is trying to help Axl out, albeit poorly. Them band dynamics were laid out pretty bare in that, I'd say.

johndivney wrote:

How could he be clueless about the atmosphere within the band?

We're obviously speculating, but I'll rephrase a bit.

Axl thought Paul was the right guy for the Izzy role. Gilby was given the boot so that Paul could come in. In retrospect, smart money would've kept Gilby on retainer as a live player to accommodate Slash. Axl practically threw Paul at them and told them to get busy. Slash and Duff both told him they thought Paul was simply a bad fit to the unit. Axl's boy from Indiana, possibly a teetotaler, zero experience on big bands and on Guns. This was hardly someone like West Arkeen, a proven collaborator and a familiar face.

In any case, Axl appeared perplexed by the issues. I'm sure that in his head, it had all worked out. He likely would've given it a lot of thought and reached a conclusion that it. Will. Work. Then, when the boys come to him with the bad news, he wonders what is their major malfunction. I'm saying Axl seems to get so doggedly convinced about some of his ideas that he's regularly felt alienated and misunderstood by the people around him whenever there's a dissonance between his theory and the outside environment. This is his problem obviously. He could've phoned up Slash and Duff and ask whether they'd like to jam with his personal writing partner, to see if they, too, could benefit from him. Nay, he was a mastermind without a reality check or a safety valve.

Steve Jobs had this thing called a Reality distortion field.

The RDF was said by Andy Hertzfeld to be Steve Jobs's ability to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bravado, hyperbole, marketing, appeasement and persistence. RDF was said to distort an audience's sense of proportion and scales of difficulties and made them believe that the task at hand was possible.

When you the biggest rock band in the world and remain entrenched in yes men, you'll write your own press releases and believe them. Everybody was too scared to tell him otherwise, because he'd fly off the handle and fire them in a heartbeat. Working for him was probably stressful for many. A well-paid job, but tenuous as hell, as you'd never know when the boss would get mad at someone, and next month's rent is still due. So, you'd have a bunch of strung-out yes men expanding his reality distortion field. Beyond that field would've been the band.

johndivney wrote:

Even when he wouldn't show up I'm sure he had sources whispering to him what was going on.

But they were led by Doug Goldstein. Most were unreliable narrators.


johndivney wrote:

He may have been aware, just incapable or ill-equipped to manage the band.
He alluded to this when asked about the Chinese-era lineups, didn't he? Where he said about he likes there to be tensions amongst the personalities & that atmosphere will reflect in the music..?? Something along those lines anyway.

Yup, he's mentioned them as 'opinionated' and other things. But Ron had a terrible run in 2006 and was essentially bullied since Day 1. It was essentially Paul Huge revisited; the unwanted addition by the runaway boss. Axl, apparently, thought he could ascend all the interpersonal conflicts and focus solely on the music by putting all the guys on the payroll and listening to freshly-burned discs in his mansion. Because he was daunted by the circumstances his theories had led him and the band into.

johndivney wrote:

it is still bewildering & still mind blowing how the enterprise spiralled out of any semblance of normality when Slash wouldn't simply "play ball". Mind blowing how one piece/person caused the whole thing to effectively collapse*.

Slash leaving Guns cut Axl deep and deflated his sense of creative security. It also ruined all chances to have a functional and productive band despite Axl. Hardly the single thing, rather than the final straw on the camel's back. Izzy was gone, Duff was thinking about his options. But Slash was the first mate - it's hard to imagine one without the other when considering the historical merits of Guns.

johndivney wrote:

Which brings me back around to my point about missing angry Axl. Somewhere in the past decade Axl has been tamed & started living on a similar timetable as the rest of society..

I blame CD's reception and the apparent soul-searching / depression / boozing that followed.

#227 Re: Guns N' Roses » Oct 31 1996 » 497 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

What on earth was going through his head...

He was pissed that things failed to work out between Slash and the surrogate Izzy, Paul Tobias. Paul, Dizzy and others had written a bunch of songs to be used as a basis for the next album, all were Axl's employees, etc. He thought he'd had it covered - all it took was for Slash to play ball.

While we're on the subject of uncharted history, the '96 band may have convened  at Yoda's place in Sedona, Phoenix, just before their implosion. Tom Zutaut has confirmed he made a similar trek with Axl in 2001, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

Suffice to say, Axl was pretty clueless about the atmosphere within his band most of the time, mainly because he failed to show up too much when the others were around. The end result was nigh 20 years of damage done. Too bad, but at least it's behind us now.

#228 Re: Guns N' Roses » New GNR Airplane » 498 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

It's about the sound to me not nostalgia.

To many, sure. Others go and see the 'reunion' because it's there and everybody's talking about it.

monkeychow wrote:

To be honest I find it really bizarre how out of all the suspicious characters in and around GNR Matt is the guy singled out by the fanbase as a bad person. Like really? Matt? That's who you think is questionable in this whole saga??? 5

Good point. Mr Rose himself has come off in many occasions as a complete loon, womanizer and downright hazardous to be around. He seems to have a better grip f things by now, but without a rock star career, he'd likely have been a habitual offender and would've spent a good portion of his life in jail or on parole.

#229 Re: Guns N' Roses » New GNR Airplane » 498 weeks ago

Nostalgia, likely.

You want the optimum drummer for this current lineup, that'd be a sober and dependable Adler. He brings in the groove and fits into the rhythm section like a glove. Frank is better than Brain on the old songs, Brain is prolly the best with CD songs. Sorum's claim to fame is the UYI stuff, but Adler would likely leave him in the dust and Frank does a serviceable job on them, anyway.

#230 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns live » 498 weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejj2CZnpt68#t=4m6s

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