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#2301 Re: Guns N' Roses » London, May 31 (14 Years and Dead Flowers w/ Izzy!) » 754 weeks ago
nobody cared.
it isn't wrestlemania you're right there. it is nothing tho. the 100 people or so who signed up obv indicate demand isn't there.
people in europe aren't gonna be watching - late on a friday night?!
you yanks will be the only ones who'd watch & even then that's unlikely.
#2302 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
mate, like ali & godknows whoever else you are missing the fucking point - we're not going to the shows!
& we CANT go to the shows cause the guy at the top has EXCLUDED us.
people aren't complaining about him being late, we're just continually dismayed by the lack of respect or gratitude shown. & the start times are a product of that, that's why it's an avenue to discuss his behaviour.
it doesn't make us lamer than him. he's the guy who changed the script & rules of what it means to be a GnR fan. he's the only one who is making the problems. & it's cause the solutions are so blindingly simple people can get infuriated.
maybe it's lame to want in. but he wont let us.
or rather, maybe it's lame to want GnR to be what GnR is meant to be, but he won't let that happen. he's broke it & turned it into something phony. & the again the late starts are merely a way to examine his fucking problem.
#2303 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
There's a lot more help & resources available to help axl manage his issues (if indeed they exist) than there was to hank Williams... Again, he hasn't tried to fix it, or if he has & w/20yrs of failing at it then that's maybe worse than not trying at all...
#2304 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
The media has other things to talk about regarding those different acts. The late starts are one of the few things axl does that is noteworthy anymore... Again, echoing what I said before, he has the power to change the story - he could make a great album, but he just doesn't seem interested. He seems content w/the shape things are in...
#2305 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:elevendayempire wrote:I'm not surprised by the late start times, but they're a fucking pain in the ass. I have to get up in the morning and go to work, unlike a multimillionaire rock star. And it's no use saying, "just book the day off," I CAN'T DO THAT.
So now I have to plan for getting from the O2 - the most isolated music venue in town - to the far reaches of Twickenham after the Tube and the trains shut down for the night. Great.
russ & ali & axl couldn't give a shit about ur probs man.
i do. it fucking sucks dick & would be easily solved if axl showed even a little respect & love to the fans who got him where he is.
to me, now, it's unacceptable.Do what now? I don't care about someone else's problems? When have I come close to saying anything like that. You got that out of "it is what it is"?
Just a wee joke... 
#2306 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
Hank Williams was an alcoholic. He had an excuse..
FTR, I didn't initially put words in ali's mouth. I was surprised when he asked me when he said those things that I said (but I maintain the implication & context existed in ali's post!) :angelic: 
Ali's point was the futility of complaining. As a rampant complainer I felt I needed to disagree. If people accepted 'the norm' we'd still be living on a flat earth. I know these analogies a strange in their scope: it's just this axl shit is a microcosm of the wider world - things evolve & clarify thru discourse, Ali tried to thwart or undermine that, i think it's still valid & relevant that's the difference.
#2307 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
If you're not surprised, then I really don't get how and why this produces such a strong reaction, especially if you've been a fan for a substantial period of time. To me, if something is unsurprising to you, it would produce less of a response than if you were caught off guard, and after 20+ years virtually no response. To each his own on that.
But, if you need further explanation on why it's unrealistic to expect a behavioral change after 20+ years, then I'm not sure any explanation I can offer can help. It seems pretty intuitive to me.
Ali
why is it u can only care if you're surprised? U seem hung-up on this surprise thing.
I live in a country where a certain group of morons celebrate a victorious battle that happened 400yrs ago. It doesn't surprise me they celebrate, it baffles & bewilders me & I think it's a waste of precious time, energy & people's passion. See what I mean?
Again, nobody is EXPECTING change, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be demanding it.
I guess I just care more than u do! We're obv not going to agree, u think it's ok to settle for whatever this is meant to be, I just refuse.
#2308 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
I'm not surprised by the late start times, but they're a fucking pain in the ass. I have to get up in the morning and go to work, unlike a multimillionaire rock star. And it's no use saying, "just book the day off," I CAN'T DO THAT.
So now I have to plan for getting from the O2 - the most isolated music venue in town - to the far reaches of Twickenham after the Tube and the trains shut down for the night. Great.
russ & ali & axl couldn't give a shit about ur probs man.
i do. it fucking sucks dick & would be easily solved if axl showed even a little respect & love to the fans who got him where he is.
to me, now, it's unacceptable.
there was a time i accepted, but i was wrong to do so.
he's been around the euro circuit often enough to know about the transport problems late @ nite, but the concerns of those thousands of people are insignificant when compared to axl's need to 'psyche himself up'. it's utter bullshit & tbh i don't think you should be party to it.
by all means go to the gig & enjoy a good show. but when you're facing the consequences, is it really gonna be worth it?!
(i don't think it is worth it... but then you prob figured that already....)
#2309 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Requst 20 Models For Front Row Of Glasgow Concert » 754 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:u should be happy axl's incorrigibility remains shocking. It's about the only tool he has left to get noticed.. Except for banging' lana del rey & this crap about the models..*
people react to it because it is even more disrespectful now. just because things don't change doesn't make them correct, or that people shouldn't voice dissent. He's doing an asshole thing & people are calling him on it. The only way to stop it is to stop being an asshole.
*edit - actually he also still gets noticed cause of the old band as well, can't believe I forgot his rnrhof shenanigans...
Edit2: also if he offered us something fresh & new maybe people wouldn't complain so much... that'll be just after hell freezes over tho..
Where exactly did I say that " just because things don't change doesn't make them correct, or that people shouldn't voice dissent"? I never said either of those things.
Just as you have a right to voice your dissent, I can express my surprise that anyone who's been a fan of this band for any substantial length of time would still be surprised by this. TBH, this stopped being surprising for me in 1992 after I saw the band then.
Like I said, I understand the inconvenience, but expecting change after 20+ years of this behavior is unrealistic, IMO, and the best bet is to focus on what you can control in order to make the decision that is best for you and plan accordingly.
Ali
i never said you said those things i said!
(but you did actually say them! when you said, "The fact of the matter is that after 20 something years, there comes a point in time where you have to accept that somethings are not going to change and plan accordingly with what you do have the power to control.")
ali, if everyone behaved like you black people would still be called niggers & kept in cages.
& re bold part - you ARE missing the point. NONE of us are in ANY WAY SURPRISED. we're tired, old & FUCKING BORED! & we're not gonna take his fucking lameass shit anymore! 
we're not surprised, just angry, sad & dejected @ what OUR BAND has descended into.
why is expecting change unrealistic?! cause the man @ the top is out of touch? then the man @ the top has to go... he's outdated & out of touch. the change HAS happened, whether we like it or not. it's just axl's 15yrs behind his own asshole that he can't play w/anyone elses rules anymore.
don't get me wrong, i would love to have the power to be a rude asshole & make people wait on me. but i'm not so all i can do is try & kill/overthrow those assholes.
so runs the world...
kill yr idols
especially if they're twats.
#2310 Re: Management » GNRevolution App? » 754 weeks ago
No1 saavy enough to do this, no??
