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#2321 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dublin, Ireland, May 17th » 755 weeks ago
Sky Dog wrote:agree to disagree....he needed a mother figure and she filled that role at a time when I think he really needed it. All the other stuff I freely admit I don't know about....
I agree with Russ. Without getting into specifics, Beta and that whole situation has been literally THE WORST thing to EVER happen to Axl. And i'll also leave it at that, because of the personal feelings involved, and the fact we do have to remain cordial to that camp in some manner, especially being she's "mom" now.
Sometimes it's better to be dead and right
Than it is to be alive and disillusioned
Trust me. Just because that guy is performing, doesn't mean he's okay. Self-important, selfish fans (no offense) just want him to perform so they can be happy, but on a human being level Axl is a fragile as a 6-year old raped child suicide bomber. And they've kept him that way, not the other way around.
When Duff said the word "sharks", this is what he meant.
i know where you're coming from & agree w/most of it but theyre not the 'worst thing' to ever happen to him. they're up there, in the top 3/5. but you have to figure he was already damaged enough to let these people into his life in the first place. (they're also prob not even the worst thing that's happened to the fans of the band, but again they'd be top 3)
they haven't helped fix him. & in fact perhaps only indulged him.
& it's prob always better to be alive than dead, y'know...
#2322 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dublin, Ireland, May 17th » 755 weeks ago
ottosporteman wrote:Richard solo was NOT the James Bond theme and had the band backing him up.
Bumblefoot solo was also different, containing parts of Danny Boy.
There Was A Time was played. Civil War returned.
Pretty different than the shows on Russia.
I guess the band is aware they are playing for people that already saw this show (Russia didn't, only received a private show) and they are changing things up.
Also: I find amusing when people come to the boards saying "oh but Axl has been playing the same setlist since 2001". Fuck me, he's not!
2001/2002 was way different from 2006 that was different from 2010 that is different from 2012.
There are things that won't change. You won't go to a concert where GNR doesnt play Jungle, ISE, Sweet Child, November Rain (even if Axl plays only the first half
), etc.
But the sets have changed, songs have been added, after CD release the whole album was played, some songs more often than others.
Perhaps the sets aren't changing the way we, the hardcores, want or expect, but to deny they are changing is another thing.
1) I like that new solo spot by Richard.
2) On the setlist complaints. Obviously they haven't been playing the same setlist since 2002. That's an exaggeration by anyone who says that. They've added new songs or made changes each time out. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. When people complain about the setlists, they're really complaining about the lack of new material. Playing CD songs, or different UYI tracks doesn't cut it with some people anymore.
ok, i promise that i hope this'll be the last time i get into this crap.
BUT:
since 2001 there's been on aggregate about 5 songs difference between then & now. that TO ME is the same setlist. "way different" to '06 my backside.
i dunno about you guys, but when i go see "other bands" when they come to town for their new the tour it's usually very different. not 11 yrs of p much the exact same set. no "other band", or rather not other respectable band, a band you could die for, would be presenting the same show GnR have been doing. now of course no new album is a major cause of this, or a new album is a major cause of why "other bands" play different sets, but again the staid setlist only serves to highlight the fundamental lack of creativity @ the heart of the matter.
NOW, plz don't get me wrong - i think the setlist itself is fuckin bangin' (bar KOHD & a few covers/solo spots). my POINT is, the setlists are INDICATIVE of the general malaise that has infected the b(r)and since Axl became commander-in-chief.
what i'm 'COMPLAINING' about is the lack of vitality & passion, a lack of renewal & energy. these were things i cherished, loved & believed to exist in GnR that i simply do not see any more. when i look at the setlists i see a band playing it SAFE.
it's not about going out & playing Cornshucker one night & Down on the Farm the next, it's about the thought & creativity, or else, & even Better, spontaneity that goes into the show. & there is obviously very very little of that effort being expended these days.
now i know a lot of you, like MC, speculate on the reasons for this "playing it safe" kinda strategy, but that does not wash w/me.
Axl has always talked the talk but he's no longer presenting what he says he is, he's not walking the walk. what he's presenting is an oldies act devoid of vitality. & that, to me, is the exact image of GnR these days. THAT is why the setlists matter, because they show the naked ambition of the band & that ambition is sorely lacking anything i can support.
for want of a Better term, it's like they're going thru the motions. (now i know they still put on a good show, but it's not transcendent or even attempting to be, & that makes me a sad fuckin panda cause it's like a betrayal or a waste of a lot of what i loved about the band. there was a time............)
#2323 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dublin, Ireland, May 17th » 755 weeks ago
i believe him this time.
there's no way they're gonna do the same set they did '10/'11 during 6 nights in england & 7 in france.
i dunno whether they'll be truly surprising surprises but i think there'll be more rotation & changes.
having said that they did like 30 shows running across the US w/the same set (not to mention the rest of the world before that) so it's entirely possible there wont be any changes.
#2324 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dublin, Ireland, May 17th » 755 weeks ago
Kind of regretting not getting a ticket now but again I still would have been eating Tesco Value beans for 3 weeks if I had. Looks like it was a damn good show though.
i dont regret not going.
it does look like a good show.
but i'd have been spending 70euro to hear 3 songs that are different.
it is a good setlist, that's not my point.
just it still doesn't seem worth it now it's passed. it's the same experience i had before only they're* charging more for it.
tho having said that, this week 70euro is like £30 so maybe it's not all that expensive............
*by them, i don't mean axl btw.
People might flame me for this, but part of me would prefer a rip roaring, whole band on fire version of oh my god to twat.
Both would be great!
lol
& i thought i was contrary!
#2325 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 755 weeks ago
- Reporter note that group member spoke about Axl only that "He is great and we happy to work with him" without any detailes. As Russians saying "good or nothing".
#2326 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:war wrote:you're wrong
kinda hard NOT to compare two bands playing the same songs
i feel like this guy in this here thread:
http://i.qkme.me/36adj3.jpgyou people seem to forget this is meant to be the greatest rock n roll band ever.
when did it become about conforming & accepting the norm?
i musta missed the memo......You know, everyone asks why can't they be a normal band
Tbh I only used normal as a concession. The 11 y.o. set list isn't normal behaviour.
#2327 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
U'r all lacking ambition
U'r gravity
Making order out of chaos
Let's fly so high, that the sun melts the wax on our wings.
#2328 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:why i don't think it's a just or valid comparison:
AC/DC
GnRyou're wrong
kinda hard NOT to compare two bands playing the same songs
i feel like this guy in this here thread:
you people seem to forget this is meant to be the greatest rock n roll band ever.
when did it become about conforming & accepting the norm?
i musta missed the memo......
#2329 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
I know I keep talking about AC/DC but I think it's a valid comparison.
Point #1: Most Ac/Dc Tours are almost the same tour. eg Setlist from "Stiff Upper Lip" Tour and the "Black Ice" tour is nearly identical. It's a classics tour with a spot for 2-3 newest album songs. They change out those songs and the classics remain.
Point #2: Black Ice was the exact same show every night. Played 160 times. With the exception of I think adding one song after a year, and dropping a song once or twice. It was the exact same show - including blocking and stage dialogue. Like going to see a film you've seen before. I saw it 3 times in melbourne and although you'd expect me to say the repetition sucked, it was actually one of the greatest weeks I've had anyway.
this has been touched on a couple of times but i'll say it again why i don't think it's a just or valid comparison:
1: AC/DC weren't on the Black Ice tour for 11yrs
2: GnR SHOULD be incomparable ( hate when people use Should when talking about bands, but as MrID has said they're just behaving like any other band instead of acting like a special case, which is what GnR were & SHOULD be)
3: i know the shows are good, i've seen them like 6 times now. but they can be Better, or new. repetition DOES ultimately suck because it stifles newness. it's not the same as going to a film you've already seen because there is literally 0% of anything different happening in the film, a live performance Should be a different atmosphere than a recreation.
johndivney wrote:misterID wrote:Then don't go. I mean, that's all I can say. If the setlist means THAT much to you, then don't see them. It's an easy fix.
i'm not going.
Problem solved.
johndivney wrote:Sky Dog wrote:the 2002 shows sucked ass compared to the show now plus Axl looked like a jerk off.
he was braver then tho.
This strikes me as funny, seeing he did identical setlists night after night, he sailed through performances save a few songs, he showed up even later than he does now to start a show, and in his gym clothes, no less. And he didn't even finish the tour, that he didn't even want to do (and showed it almost every night) to begin with. But he was braver. Okay.
He only played new songs because he had to. Which was a feeble attempt to establish the new line up with its own identity.
The only thing that matters now is a new album. Not setlists. Not playing Double Talkin Jive. Not a better organization, management or new merch. Not a tour. Not a show. But an album. Period. End of story.
the problem isn't solved.
re: bold - well if that's the case then we'll never hear anything again.
and a feeble attempt is Better than no attempt at all which is whats happening right now.
it ALL matters. it's all representative of how wrong things have got.
#2330 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Then don't go. I mean, that's all I can say. If the setlist means THAT much to you, then don't see them. It's an easy fix.
i'm not going.
the 2002 shows sucked ass compared to the show now plus Axl looked like a jerk off.
he was braver then tho.
