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#2331 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:Mate. U seem to be missing the exact point that you're making in your 1st paragraph - that it's UNFAIR to those who've paid for several shows. often across several yrs, to keep paying the same price or more for the same service? If u go to the same whore over & over & she still only offers the usual no/skin on skin deal then why would u recommend her to a friend?! "hey man let's go see Guns N Roses they're playing the exact same songs we saw in 02 except yada yada yada & they're doing Estranged!", "she doesn't suck ur dick w/o a condom but she'll do anal"..
It's his "artistic integrity" which is @stake. It's his LACK of artistry I cannot follow. Dont tell me I don't love the guy, what he means 2 me is more than u r h will evr believe r kno, I just have to refuse to follow the path he's taking. & believe me, that's something that makes me sad, cause I had faith he'd deliver more than he has... I'm beginning to think he's another failure-disappointment - which is totally depressing cause he promised he nvr would be, like Homer I hate when people lie thru song..
John, he's playing the setlist the majority of people want to hear. This is the first time people in Europe will be getting Estranged and CW live in YEARS. And like I've mentioned before, there are bands who do the exact same thing and fans see multiple shows on tour. It's not that big of a deal. I don't think anyone is going to be mad that they didn't get Coma, Out ta get Me, or DTJ. At least, not in any big majority.
If you veiw a setlist in such grave terms, then we're just not going to agree here. There's enough about this band to be disappointed about, imo. The setlist doesn't mean anything, at least to me. And if they were doing the same setlist from 2002, then I'd agree with you. But they haven't been. And considering how shallow their catalog is, and that they're putting in their music in with the oldies, I like the make up of this setlist. People seem to be really enjoying the shows. That's what matters.
yea i'm tired of this convo 2 but just lemme reply:
2 songs difference isn't something to brag about. maybe they'll do CW in Dublin..
just because other bands do it doesn't make it right. if other bands stuck their hands in the fire would it be ok for axl to do the same?!
some other bands make an effort to make their live shows a different experience, why not be one of them bands?
it is the same setlist as 2002, the only new songs are Estranged Sorry & TiL. @ least in 02 we had NEW new (but still old!) songs Maddy The Blues CD.
you should care & it is something that matters. people could enjoy the shows if the music & performance was good enough no matter what they played - which inevitably begs the question, do they not have confidence in the other material??
these setlists are a symptom of the stasis that has corrupted not only this period but the entire legacy. what's going on w/the live shows, the predictability is not true to what made Guns N Roses great or unique.
according to yourself they may as well be any other band.
that's not what any of us should expect, or want, from GnR.
i want them to be special.
(but they're not.)
(& won't ever be again...)
they're just another shadow.
#2332 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
I'm all for that it's time for GNR to change the setlist or whatever.
But there is not A LOT of fans that goes to two shows in a row. My bet it's actually VERY FEW who do that.
Back in 2010 I went to both shows in Norway, but that is only because I have family and friends in both Bergen and Oslo.
Back in 2006, the thought of going to both shows was only in my thoughts for a few seconds before I settled on going to ONE. And I would bet a lot of money that there are very few people in Norway that spend more time on GNR than I do. YES, I know very well that some go to multiple shows, but lets not kid ourselfs, out of an arena/stadium crowd, those fans are VERY few. But I can understand that it's a tempting argument for those who are looking for something to complain about! And right now, for us hardcores there ARE things to complain about, but let's not act like we're thinking about those few fans that goes to multiple shows!
Normally I agree w/u but I just can't see any logic or rationality behind this post.
Not only is it an affront to the hardcores, who he owes, but to the casual fans who saw the same show whenever it was the last time they saw Axl. I don't understand how people fail to grasp r argue against this - which is obv something findental to the band they follow, i.e. part of their bizness model...
#2333 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
I see you standing
Standing on your own
It's such a lonely place for you
For you to be
If you need a shoulder
Or if you need a friend
I'll be here standing
Until the bitter end
No one needs the sorrow
No one needs the pain
I hate to see you
Walking out there
Out in the rain
So don't chastise me
Or think I, I mean you harm
Of those that take you
Leave you strung out
Much too far
Baby - yeah
Don't ever leave me
Say you'll always be there
All I ever wanted
Was for you
To know that I care
what It used to be......
#2334 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
You know, I wonder what the guys in the band think about this.
They obv dont give a shit. The only reason they do Estranged & DC is Ron has a twitter account that he personally uses.
If anyone in the band thought they prob wouldnt be there.
tbh can't blame them, money's better than morals/principles. & principals.
#2335 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Insults? Haha, okay. Bands tour to make money. Sorry, that's how it works. People follow bands for several shows (like Rush) and get the same setlist.
I've said he needs to play new music. But he's going to play his music. He's not going to stop that. He plays a pretty good amount of new songs and they pretty much even out the number of songs for each GN'R album. So, yeah....
But the setlist police is what's getting old. Who cares? You and a few others keep saying you don't care but you must surely do. Where are all those Russian fans who did go to both shows who came away disappointed? Maybe they just so happened to enjoy themselves??
But I did forget, Slash never did anything for money.
If all Axl cared about was money, he'd be playing with the old guys right now.
Mate. U seem to be missing the exact point that you're making in your 1st paragraph - that it's UNFAIR to those who've paid for several shows. often across several yrs, to keep paying the same price or more for the same service? If u go to the same whore over & over & she still only offers the usual no/skin on skin deal then why would u recommend her to a friend?! "hey man let's go see Guns N Roses they're playing the exact same songs we saw in 02 except yada yada yada & they're doing Estranged!", "she doesn't suck ur dick w/o a condom but she'll do anal"..
It's his "artistic integrity" which is @stake. It's his LACK of artistry I cannot follow. Dont tell me I don't love the guy, what he means 2 me is more than u r h will evr believe r kno, I just have to refuse to follow the path he's taking. & believe me, that's something that makes me sad, cause I had faith he'd deliver more than he has... I'm beginning to think he's another failure-disappointment - which is totally depressing cause he promised he nvr would be, like Homer I hate when people lie thru song..
#2336 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
One funny thing about these boards is that you find that the people that complain the most about the shows are the ones that aren't even there
Ali
I've supported Axl & his bands, I've travelled out of the country to see the band. I know I'm not the only one to make such sacrifices, & many have spent a lot more than me. We have a right to an opinion. We have the right to be dissatisfied. We have the right to be bored by the same concert we've seen since 2002. We're allowed to say enoughs enough, or too little as the case may be.
Some people have different standards than you. This is not good enough for me. I don't love this..
#2337 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that its a warm up for tomorrow and they're gearing up for a marathon at Dublin to pay their dues.
I'm at Nottingham a week tomorrow so I hope it gets better for then
When have they ever earned the benefit of the doubt?
Anyway, the gig was prob good if u were there but I am glad I haven't bought a ticket for Dublin..
#2338 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Its 10.30pm in Moscow, never realised they were 3 hours ahead of me, so by my reckoning the show should be starting half an hour ago.
by my reckoning you've forgot about "axl time". nobody really knows when the show 'should' be starting.
be good if there's streams of the euro tour where us civilized* folk could watch @ a reasonable hour.
*being a hun, Olorin, you of course aren't really counted as civilized! 
#2339 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Blood in the Water" (NEW idea discussion) » 756 weeks ago
Best Album Ever.
think Buckets is my fave song ever atm.
dunno what ur point is tho?
#2340 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 756 weeks ago
it's a hologram. like tu-pac @ coachella.
fwiw i personally think the handlebar rocks.
edit: of course, the only reason he's at soundcheck is to run-thru the new songs!
