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#241 Re: The Garden » September 11 2001 » 714 weeks ago
I think it's almost comically insane that one would be like "Who Cares?" about the gov't spending the amount of money it does on the military and foreign occupations, but will freak the fuck out when someone suggests spending a fraction of that on Medicare for every working US citizen.
#242 Re: The Garden » September 11 2001 » 714 weeks ago
First.. I didn't say the gov't was responsible.
Second... Their claims that it was "a complete surprise" have proven to be false.
Third... That article I posted had a couple of irrelevant questions... The point was that there are plenty of questions to be asked. For instance... The 9/11 Commission Report mentions NOTHING about building 7. Why?
Fourth... Profiteering. We're not talking about a 40% spike in sales over the next six months... We're talking about hundreds of TRILLIONS of tax dollars being appropriated over more than a DECADE based, at heart, on lies.
To what degree officials were lying is the main question here, that too many people are like "Who gives a shit?" about.
The World Trade Center complex (building 7 included) had just recently had an enormous insurance policy taken out on it.
NO steel skyscraper in the history of everness collapsed from fire. Before or since..
Say what you will about the impact from the planes on the towers that were designed (and built) to withstand multiple commercial jets hitting it...
Only a complete lunatic would believe that a building a fucking block away... hit by nothing... Had some scattered fires on the middle few floors... Would just collapse into it own footprint at nearly free fall speed.
Look, Buzz... This is kinda why I wanted to stay out of it. We could go back and forth with this shit for a month. I spent almost 2 years researching all of this stuff... Went to symposiums... talked to family members of victims personally... I mean no disrespect to you.. There are plenty of questions that need to be answered, was all I was saying.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just accept that bad things happen in the real world that are much much scarier than what they tell you on the "news".
It's the people that refuse to accept anything other than what they're spoon fed on CNN, Fox, and MSNBC that make them able to get away with the atrocious bullshit they get away with.

EDIT..
Even at it's hottest, Jet Fuel (kerosene) doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.
Just sayin'
#243 Re: The Garden » September 11 2001 » 714 weeks ago
Those questions and MORE are valid until answered... Every stitch of foreign and domestic policy are BASED on the events of 9/11/01. They matter.
Anyone who lost someone that day would take great offense to your assertion that " but the fact is they just don't matter anymore. It's 10 years later."
Look... I'm not one of those meat heads that think that the entire event was staged... But I do believe that, at a MINIMUM, the US government was criminally complicit/negligent in preventing it, and that NOBODY has held them accountable.
Iraq isn't about just oil. It's about war.
"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."
-Retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler.
9/11 gave the US gov't a blank check and carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they wanted to do in terms of military spending and the ability to wage an UNENDING war on an idea... "Terror"...
Who benefited from 9/11 the most? Bin Laden? Al Quiada?
Follow the money, sir.
We now occupy sovereign nations based on "potential threats" and imprison Americans for being "suspected terrorists" indefinitely.
We annually spend more on Military than the next 25 countries below us combined, who are ALL allies to "keep us safe" from invisible boogeymen while Americans are homeless, starving, taking out a 4th mortgage to pay their fucking medical bills, and losing their job to a 12 year old in China who makes 7 cents a day.
They're giving multi billion dollar bailouts to banks who fund the $10,000 a SECOND shit show to keep it rolling, and systematically dismantling the Bill Of Rights..
ALL based on that day.
Please... Tell me again how it's no longer relevant.
#244 Re: The Garden » September 11 2001 » 714 weeks ago
What questions haven't been answered? Why the EPA said it was safe when it appears it wasn't? The buildings collapsed with insulation, jet fuel, and god knows what else in it. Who in their right mind would think it was safe regardless of what the EPA said? I went there in 2003 and I wasn't convinced it was completely safe then. Sometimes you have to use common sense and logic when making decisions.
#245 Re: The Garden » September 11 2001 » 714 weeks ago
I'll stay out of this one.
I will say this... I think it's disrespectful to the family members and the first responders that an actual impartial and thorough investigation that answers REAL questions about that day has yet to be done.
I've met victims family members and very sick first responders who were told that the air around ground zero was safe to breathe by the EPA who are dying and have lost everything. They ALL have lots of questions that have yet to be answered.
#246 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Newsroom (Now on HBO) » 714 weeks ago
Furbush wrote:episode 3 was epic.
that is all...Hell. Yes.
The whole thing was awesome, but my favorite smart ass moment was when Jim went up to Don and said "Good show. Yeah, I had no idea what was going on with the McRib sandw..." and Don cut him off with "Yeah. Why don't you go fuck yourself"
Love this show, man...
#247 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Newsroom (Now on HBO) » 714 weeks ago
episode 3 was epic.
that is all...
#248 Re: The Sunset Strip » Def Leppard Recording 'Forgeries' of Old Hits To Spite Label » 715 weeks ago
Furbush wrote:How Axl hasn't done this yet amazes me... We know he had the idea...
Axl's royalty worries were taken care of when he signed that 20-year licensing agreement with Sanctuary.
If anyone had a grievance with Uni, it'd have to be Slash & Duff. And seeing how they have no rights to the GN'R brand name or it's future usage beyond the back catalog = they're screwed.
Axl has no reason or incentive to have to do this. He's got his money. Or at least up through about 2025.
A re-record disc would be interesting as an addition to a future album as an incentive for purchase, or the symbolic nature of it all. But now that Def Leppard are having to do this, Axl might not want to blow his load on that afterall either. He might want to hold his cards on re-records for a rainy day.
Not even from a money standpoint...
More of a "fuck you" to everyone.
It wouldn't surprise me if he had each incarnation of his band re-record AFD, Lies and UYI just to piss on Slash etc...
#249 Re: The Sunset Strip » Def Leppard Recording 'Forgeries' of Old Hits To Spite Label » 715 weeks ago
How Axl hasn't done this yet amazes me... We know he had the idea...
#250 Re: The Sunset Strip » Def Leppard Recording 'Forgeries' of Old Hits To Spite Label » 715 weeks ago
smoke wrote:Also, I wonder how this affects Steve Clark's family?
I LOVED this shit... until I read your post.
Listening to "Rock Of Ages" now... Pretty Fucking Close.
PSSOM sounds off...
I'm guessing Mutt Lange wasn't attending these sessions...


