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#251 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns w/ Adler, Dodgers Stadium, LA - 08/19/16 » 507 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:

GN'R is a washed up band.

A bit harsh. During the 'golden years', they were well-marketed screw-ups.

Surely, they reached a nadir in 2010-14, during the Ashba -era. The guy dressed in a top hat and dangled a cigarette while playing. He played up his presence in the media, despite a very minor mark in the Guns' discography. That's when the money was tight and they played at parties for Russian businessmen (in 2010) and at French weddings (2012, with Izzy), while underperforming on major festival appearances (RIR 2011). That was sad - a band at its death throes.

Today, everybody in the band seems to be on the best job they've ever had. I'm basing this on night-to-night punctuality, rave reviews and healthy ticket sales. Whlie we know next to nothing about how it goes backstage, the people who shell them the money feel content. As a commercial unit, they are currently at the top of their game.

In my book, a washed-up band has one founding member re-enacting the long-gone glory. Three core members touring stadiums? Guns are in Metallica country, there.

#252 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Feud » 507 weeks ago

Brett wrote:

(ALSO: Does anyone have anything to expand on the quote about Slash popping out Axl's tape and wanting Axl to be in his band, but Axl didn't want to be in his band. I assume this relates to the IP of the name of the band, not physically in a band with Slash?)

That could be Tidus Sloan, the instrumental band Slash played with in '81-'83. They never found a singer.


In 1983, Tracii Guns introduced Chris Weber to a friend of his, Izzy Stradlin. Weber and Izzy hit off and start writing music. Izzy suggests his old Lafayette chum / garage band singer, Bill Rose, as the vocalist. Bill was just coming off Rapidfire, his first serious effort to front a band in LA.

The group lacked a name. Bill suggested AXL, and they went with it for a while. Then, Bill thought the name was cool and adopted it as his stage name. Conveniently, the band was then named Rose. Now, Bill was Axl and AXL was Rose. They blew it up to Hollywood Rose and stuck with it.

While this is going on, Slash and Steven are in a band called Road Crew, doing some UK shows to boot. Slash would join a band called Black Sheep with vocalist Willie Basse, who apparently had a knack for picking up promising guitarists.


During a show in 1984, Axl collides with the headstock of Weber's guitar. Furious, Axl fires Weber. To substitute, Axl'd hire the guitar player from Road Crew, Slash. Izzy was so flustered about Weber that he left the group as Slash came in. Riding his coattails, Steven also joined the band at this point, replacing drummer Johnny Kreis.

This is one possibility wherein Slash could've showed off a Tidus Sloan tape. If so, he would've known already that they could do better together than Hollywood Rose.

That lasted for a few months. His second time around as a frontman, Axl had alienated the other founding members and taken the band name for himself. 'Where's Izzy?' was already a relevant question. The band calls it a day after opening for the Christian metal band, Stryper. Slash performed double-duty that night, also appearing with Black Sheep.


About a month later, Axl re-emerges as the new vocalist of LA Guns, which also featured Tracii Guns, Ole Belch and Rob Gardner. Izzy's new band, London, plays on the same bill. Cue New Year's Eve 1985. Axl resurrects Hollywood Rose with Izzy and Weber, Slash's HR-era bassist Steve Darrow and LA Guns drummer Gardner.

Weber moves to New York City, leaving the band perhaps more amicably this time around. He is soon replaced by Tracii Guns. With a sleight of hand, Axl has made amends towards Weber and Izzy - and lured his LA Guns employer into his own band.

In early '85, Road Crew were auditioning for players. One day, two Seattle punks walked in, Gregg Gilmore and Duff McKagan. Gilmore would return to Seattle after a few rehearsals, but Duff stuck around. The backbone of AFD were getting along.


Meanwhle, Axl's Hollywood Rose project is moulding up. He'd later insist he had the new name at the back of his head before hooking up with the others. Tracii recalls the story differently: Axl was about to be fired by the manager of LA Guns. He and Tracii came up with the new name as way to put out singles together.

In any case, it does look like a mesh of his and Tracii's names, signalling a balance of power between the two. Having said that, Guns N' Roses makes for an impressive band name. At least, moreso than Heads of Amazon or AIDS.

Steven Darrow has by now been replaced by LA Guns bassist Ole Belch. The lineup is essentially the latest LA Guns incarnation with Izzy. They last for about four shows in March-April '85. At this point, Belch was fired. He was replaced by that Road Crew bassist, Duff.


In the following month, Tracii Guns would miss a rehearsal and get into an argument with Axl. Tracii leaves the band. To substitute, Axl'd hire the guitar player from Road Crew, Slash. Riding his coattails, Steven also joined the band at this point, replacing drummer Rob Gardner.

Axl's detour with LA Guns had now been all but erased. Slash had picked Guns over his other band, Black Sheep. He was saving Axl's band the second time in a row.  But Axl would always be wary around his lead guitarists.

#253 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 507 weeks ago

They lies they tell.

Hillary (mostly true/half-true) vs Donald (mostly false).

#254 Guns N' Roses » Guns w/ Adler, Dodgers Stadium, LA - 08/19/16 » 507 weeks ago

apex-twin
Replies: 25

Adler's big game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqjuFBmn1A

#255 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses tour to continue through 2017(and beyond) » 508 weeks ago

sp1at wrote:

The Download Festival will be the only UK date on the circuit being booked right now. No stadium dates

I heard the same thing in 2006, was it about an exclusivity clause from the Download organizers? Guns had more UK dates a month after Download, tho.

#256 Guns N' Roses » The Feud » 508 weeks ago

apex-twin
Replies: 41

The Feud between Axl and Slash was as oblivious as long-standing. While Axl maintained the public got the wrong story from others, he's always been a bit wary about getting into cases. Point being, he said, Slash is a liar.

It seems the trail leads 1991 and the advent of the UYI tour. Axl, at the height of his hubris, saw Slash planning a coup. This led to these complex contract negotiations, during which Axl eventually attained a clause for the band name. In '95, he left the partnership and has since owned the name.

Axl's narrative to the story is something like, 'Slash and I wrestled for control over the band, I won, he quit the band and maliciously spun it around in the media.'


"I read Slash's [book] to have an idea what I might be facing then, but haven't read anyone else's." (Axl, 2013)

"The Illusions' lineups comments that I've read in media or Slash's book were, in my opinion, predominantly public gamesmanship, strategy and politics on their part. Pretending to be unaware or innocent to the public...

As I've said before, I shouldn't have been on tour when we started in '91... Slash wanted the touring to get the better of me, given my circumstances at the time. My safety and well-being were not their concern." (Axl, 2013)


"It was really a fight with me and Slash," says Rose of the forces that took down the band. "Izzy was doing the same thing, but the fight with me and Slash started the day I met him. He came in, popped my tape out and put his in and wanted me in his band. And I didn't want to join his band. We've had that war since Day 1." (Axl, 2013)

"When Guns renegotiated our contract with Geffen I had the bit about the [band's] name added in as protection for myself... Slash was imo being on the up and up, in agreeing I had the rights and I wasn’t trying to be some snake in the grass, pulling a fast one. The others could’ve cared less." (Axl, 2008)


At the Chinese Exchange, Axl said that he and Slash patched things up over the phone in 2015.

"Slash and I hadn't talked in 19 years, and when we did talk, I was, like, 'You wrote a lot of stuff that didn't even happen. It's not real.'" (Axl, 2016)

“It was probably way overdue, you know. But it’s... you know, it’s very cool at this point." (Slash, 2015)

“A lot of the tension... has dissipated. Over time we all just got sick and tired of the black cloud. The biggest thing that happens when you have a break-up that is less than harmonious is you build up a bad energy because of the distance.” (Slash, 2015)

"[We've managed to] dispel some of that negative stuff that was going on for so long.” (Slash, 2015)


The parting words of Tommy Stinson are curious in this regard.

"I think it was really super important for Axl to get the [GN'R reunion] going on and put some stuff behind him that I think has been sitting inside him," Stinson says. "I think something has happened to him and it's completely f---ing awesome and it makes me really happy. I've known the guy for almost 20 years now; I've never seen him look better. He sounds better than ever. He's a completely different guy. I couldn't be happier for him." (Tommy, 2016)

"He's a completely different guy." The '98-'14 Axl had the tendency to fire people sporadically, yell at band members ('getting the corn'), stay remote, halt/cancel shows... He was a handful in the worst of days. The contrast suggests Axl was deeply unhappy to go on without Slash. That more or less sums up Guns in the past 20 years.

#257 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tim Palmer's two days on CD » 508 weeks ago

There's also a wealth of video footage (Perfect Crime) from the UYI days, which is, again, relevant.

I could see a documentary happen down the line, when plans settle and they feel like opening up.

Guns have many ways to reinvigorate the brand beyond mere touring, and the interest is high, again.

#258 Guns N' Roses » Australia in Feb '17 » 508 weeks ago

apex-twin
Replies: 26

For our Down Under members.

TELSTRA PRE-SALE
VIC: Fri 19 Aug, 10am - Mon 22 Aug, 10pm
NSW: Fri 19 Aug, 11am - Mon 22 Aug, 10pm
QLD: Fri 19 Aug, noon - Mon 22 Aug, 10pm
SA: Fri 19 Aug, 1pm - Mon 22 Aug, 10pm

GENERAL PUBLIC ON SALE
VIC: Tue 23 Aug, 10am
NSW: Tue 23 Aug, 11am
QLD: Tue 23 Aug, noon
SA: Tue 23 Aug, 1pm

Dates:
Brisbane Feb 7 QSAC Stadium
Sydney Feb 10 ANZ
Melbourne Feb 14 MCG
Adelaide Feb 18
Perth - Domain Stadium TBC
New Zealand to be confirmed

Triple M will announce the shows Wednesday Morning.
VIC, NSW, QLD and SA tickets are through Ticketek and the WA show will be through Ticketmaster.

- Guns Over Oz

===

Axl's  playing a show only a day after his birthday. Maybe coming down early?

#259 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tim Palmer's two days on CD » 508 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

All I know is that there were contracts drawn up for the second album release before Chinese was released and well????.....

The biggest number I heard was around 4 albums, one of them live (AFDem), the other maybe the remix album, and finally, CD2.

Dexter wrote:

I know this is jumping the gun big time, but any tentative idea when you would like to see the next CD come out?

No, maybe same bat time, same bat channel next year but we'll have to see.

Sky Dog wrote:

best bet is we get a few new songs on a new compilation around x-mas.

So soon? A compilation would make a world of sense, tho. It's a safer way to test the waters. Two new songs would be good, but they would both need Slash. Atlas Shrugged and Jackie Chan might be fun.

Sky Dog wrote:

Then, after they hit every enormodome across the planet, new music will need to be a priority.

That's when one'd think the CD2 seals would be broken. It's also a matter of rebuilding the band and incorporating it with the CD legacy. Takes time, I imagine these people still need time together before they can start recording together.

#260 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tim Palmer's two days on CD » 508 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

But that's about breaking new acts. This is a marque brand act in GNR. World famous name. Now with the legitimising Axl and Slash factor to give it credibility to the masses. Plus they already paid for almost 2 albums worth of stuff already done. So what do you need - 2 weeks in a studio for slash and a mix and master. Could polish it off for pocket change for the label and given how CD1 cleared the debts - it's all profit.

True, that.

monkeychow wrote:

Unless what GNR want is a massive commitment from the label that makes it less about free profit for them. Like guaranteed marketing spend of a lot of money or renegotiated artist fees or something that would sour the deal.

This is why Axl blew his lid on the CD release.

Axl in 2009 wrote:

Unfortunately I have no information for me to believe [that] there was any real involvement or effort from Interscope. I'm not saying there wasn't...I do know [that] I've been asking for a marketing plan for over five years and still haven't got anything. We've asked for a complete breakdown of promotion expenses and efforts from all parties but unfortunately I've received very little information, if anything, so far.

Axl was asking up the label about this in Feb 2004 (or earlier) is a curious notion, btw. That's Geffen had decided to 'fuck this headache' and suspended funding. Merck would later acknowledge the label bothered little with Guns prior to a contract re-negotiation and a mastered album. They equally failed to do much afterwards - on the other hand, the choice of singles was poor and Axl failed to do any videos or pre-release promo.

Slash and Duff would be a huge asset in this regard. They would know to ask for a fair deal for their services, as Axl owns Guns and is, by default, the most significant beneficiary with a new album. That's an internal issue they would need to look into - how to divide profits from the next album? Would Slash and Duff become junior shareholders, equal partners, or how would they suss it out? Axl knows that the money issue needs to be dealt with before they can readily announce any collaborations. Also, in consequence, Guns may ask for additional monies from the label to compensate.

Surely the first step in the reformation was to see how it goes. Pitman left, and there was likely a lot more to it than a few tweets. He either resigned in spite or was fired by Axl. Go figure, but new music was low on the priority list. Instead of a band coming together from a hiatus, this was about revisiting a 20-year-old acrimonious split. Coachella and the assorted dates were set up for them to placate promoters to take the plunge. Now, they're paying back in spades.

I would guess new music for next summer, somehow.  They need to feed the machine to keep touring.

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