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#251 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
“Around 700 US military personnel were in South Vietnam when he [JFK] was inaugurated; on his death there were roughly 16,000.”
If we want, we can blame Eisenhower, but he escalated intervention in Vietnam. This was then left to Johnson and then Nixon. There’s no reason to argue about this, Mitch.
The part that’s debatable is that Nixon ended it.
#252 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
Nixon a ‘peace with honor’ - he somehow simultaneously ended the Vietnam war and dropped more bombs there than you could count.
#253 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
Dude, he ended JFK’s war and there’s no way to dispute that. Just like Obama “escalated” Iraq and Afghanistan when he promised to end it. It’s pretty complicated inheriting someone else’s war.
JFK wasn’t even president for 2 years…JFKs war?!
#254 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:James wrote:The country has been overdue for a maverick since 2008. It's unfortunate that the era was wasted on Obama...and then Trump.
Only another Teddy Roosevelt is capable of saving us.
What a strange take. When was the last good president then? Bc W was just a continuation of daddy and daddy was just more Reagan.
Surely you didn’t like Carter because you don’t like Biden.
You’ve never said anything positive about the Clintons.
Nixon was a real POS.
Nixon started the EPA, ended the Vietnam war, expanded civil rights protections for women and Native Americans, nearly passed universal healthcare, which was sabotaged by that piece of shit Ted Kennedy, and wanted to subsidize the wages of the working poor -- a form of ubi. Nixon was a far better President than JFK, who literally stole the presidency from him.
You need to check your history on ending Vietnam.
Amusing that you think dropping more bombs than anyone and escalating war is a means to ending it.
Most historians point to the end of Vietnam as being 1975. Nixon was long gone by then.
#255 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
Policy wise Bush senior was good, Clinton was pretty damn good. Trump was excellent.
Obama was bad, Carter was worse, Biden is an absolute dumpster fire
Trump left this country as it was burning to the ground and felt the need to make it worse on Jan. 6th.
Trump was an abysmal failure. All smoke and mirrors.
#256 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
Sure…tout the outsider all you want…but Trump was nothing more than a government sponsored infomercial.
#257 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
What's Teddy Roosevelt going to do when Congress is utterly beholden to special interests and the media is their extended enforcement arm?
The only way Trump was going to get anything done is if he'd declare himself a tyrant and start a civil war.
Congress has literally done nothing for decades. Isn’t that how the system was supposed to work?
#258 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 176 weeks ago
The country has been overdue for a maverick since 2008. It's unfortunate that the era was wasted on Obama...and then Trump.
Only another Teddy Roosevelt is capable of saving us.
What a strange take. When was the last good president then? Bc W was just a continuation of daddy and daddy was just more Reagan.
Surely you didn’t like Carter because you don’t like Biden.
You’ve never said anything positive about the Clintons.
Nixon was a real POS.
#259 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 177 weeks ago
I wonder if Trump was just the beginning of modern celebrity candidates.
I mean he's kinda a polarising candidate, as mitch points out there's blatant reasons he would be distasteful to some, so like what stops someone else who is famous but more universally likeable from running?
Like some of the hollywood elite have cults of personality around them that would be far more popular than trump.
He should be unappealing to the overwhelming majority.
You're exactly right...since the presidency is nothing more than a vote for homecoming king and queen now, we will absolutely have more of this type of thing. For the following reasons:
1) people don't know or care how to evaluate whether or not policies affect them and/or how they affect them.
2) it's more fun to implement policies that hurt others rather than help oneself.
3) the American people have extremely low approval rates for the government in general yet the keep sending the same assholes back. The reelection rate here is damn near 100% at federal, state and local levels. The American voter inexplicably takes no responsibility for this fact. It's always someone else's fault. It's the media's fault. It's Obama's fault. It's our politicians who don't take leadership roles. Well...what happens when you have a chance to replace these people? Nothing.
#260 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 177 weeks ago
I’d like more insight on that because he’s been racking up a war chest like no one else has done before.
I don’t see why he’d play such a role in January 6th if he didn’t have a problem doing it all over again.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, he’d tear this country all the way to the ground if it meant a W for him.
