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#271 Re: Guns N' Roses » A random thought on Don't Cry being performed live... » 509 weeks ago
When Doc [Neeson of the Australian band, The Angels] passed, GNR was in Vegas doing a residency, and we did Marseilles, in a few shows, we did that... In honor to him... We were doing a rehearsal that day, and I just heard the news and I told Axl, and Axl... sat at the piano and thought for a second, and he said, 'You know, I was really hoping I would get to see him again.' I actually just started playing and he said, 'Let's do it.' So, we did that night... -src
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmrUIkn_aZU
#272 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 511 weeks ago
Donald asks, and the Russians deliver again.
Imagine Putin and Trump in a room as heads of state.
#273 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 511 weeks ago
Funny how he closes the Boston performance with "I'm out of time..."
The lyrics really resonate through the passage of time. You can really hear him suggest it's better to look around for contemporary music, because he's hesitant to put CD out and suggests it's going to take a lot of time, given to him by the success of the previous line-ups.
#274 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses tour to continue through 2017(and beyond) » 511 weeks ago
In a wide-ranging conversation with local media on Tuesday, the band’s production manager, Dale "Opie" Skjerseth, offered the following:
Crews have been at the Georgia Dome since Sunday. There are three sets of steel that travel the county in anticipation of shows. While production put the finishing touches on the stage at the Georgia Dome on Tuesday, the other two sets were in Orlando and New Orleans, where the band will play later this week.
There are a total of 16 trucks that transport the steel, each accompanied by a 16-team crew, Skjerseth said.
A 125-person crew travels with the band on six tour buses and 20 truck. Another 125 local workers assist with constructing the stage
It takes about 8 hours to put up lights, sounds, video, pyro and other components of the stage once the steel has been set
It takes about 36 hours to put up the steel and other heavy construction.
Once the show is over, it takes about 2.5 hours to take down the production, and another 12 hours to remove the steel from the stadium.
The band will soundcheck early afternoon on Wednesday and it could last hours, Skjerseth said.
Fans will see pyro at Wednesday’s show. “We have an indoor show -- as we call it --that limits the heights and restrictions…It still looks big and boomy, but it won’t go to the ceiling.”
Skjerseth said he wasn’t sure when the band arrives in town, but said when they do, he expected them to head to a hotel and rest before the show.
The production manager said he sees the band “when they show up.”
Skjerseth worked with the band on the Use Your Illusion tour in the early 90s
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Skjerseth was the catalyst for GNR lead singer Axl Rose joining AC/DC. Skjerseth, who also works with AC/DC, said that band happened to be in Atlanta rehearsing when they got word that their lead singer, Brian Johnson, was forced to bow out of their tour due to hearing issues.
After hearing the news about Johnson, Axl called Skjerseth, who was in South America with the Rolling Stones. Opie then called AC/DC in Atlanta. Axl flew to Atlanta to audition and the rest is history.
In April, after Axl broke his feet in GNR’s first reunion gig, bassist Duff McKagen contacted Foo Fighters’ main man Dave Grohl to see about using a throne that he’d used after a similar fracture.
Skjerseth said all three members of the classic line-up (Axl, Slash and Duff) all had equal input in construction of the band’s current stage.
"We met in January, we all talked about it,” Skjerseth said. “The basic bottom line is: people want to see Guns N’ Roses. They don’t need flying pianos, they don’t flying lifts…they just needed a heavy rock n’ roll stage.”
“We wanted big video, big sound, big lights, big pyro and an exciting show for the fans of rock n’ roll music.”
As to how Axl is managing to take the stage on time now as opposed to years past, when the band often began performing hours after its scheduled start time, Opie said, “We’re all older and want to get to bed now.”
“We were all young,” Skjerseth said of Rose’s behavior on previous tours. “Even I was young. It’s his maturity and business and how it should be. Everybody feels good about it. He’s here before the guys, the rest of them, some days. He comes in, he shows up, gets out of the car, goes on stage. Sometimes he stays on site.”
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Skjerseth said the band is “getting along just fine.”
The fact that band members have separate dressing rooms isn’t a sign of tension within the ranks, Skjerseth said. “Just because everybody’s older, they carry their families with them. They all have to have their space.”
“Everybody meets before we go on stage. It’s a meeting point and that’s where the chemistry happens.”
All band members are taking buses to the gigs, but they do occasionally fly to cities.
“It’s business and everybody’s enjoying it.”
As to what brought the band back together, money or music, Skjerseth said, “I believe it starts with the love the band…And then of course – we all want money.”
On the band’s future: “I’ve been told there’s no end date, and I’ve seen plenty of dates going into next year, far into next year. Everybody’s working together to keep a common goal and common direction: keep the machine going.
Opening band The Cult will play about 50 minutes
Opie wouldn’t say if the band had any surprises – such as an appearance from a former band member – in store for Wednesday’s show.
The biggest change Opie’s seen of the band from when he first met them in 1990 and now: “Age. Our maturity. Everybody paying attention doing what they’re doing.”
Opie promised that everyone at the Georgia Dome would get a good view of the show – even those in the nosebleed seats.
20 trucks with the band, 16 other trucks riding steel to between cities. 6 tour buses - this is a 7-piece, so some have to share. Still, Guns seem to carry a pretty big entourage, as well.
#275 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 511 weeks ago
(And just WHAT the hell happened with that 2002 tour? I still don't think we've heard a straight answer on that...)
That tour was on planning stages already in 2001. Doug Goldstein's Big FD merged with Sanctuary Group - thus came in Merck Mercuriadis, and they convinced ClearChannel to take on Guns' US comeback tour. Axl got a $1 million advance for the tour alone. This was big business, on paper, anyway.
During their big negotiations, the band was re-recording at Village and inhaling dog-poo odours, because their star guitarist was having a laugh. Axl shielded his band from the business side, I'll give him that.
When the US dates was happening, these separate worlds collided. Axl had his own issues and lacked an album, kicking it off at the infamous 02 VMAs. The tour was selling slow in places and began with a riot. We could argue the routing was faulty with too many slow markets during the week and that Axl was given too much leeway on everything. But how it seems to me is that both parties (Axl and ClearChannel) got fed up with their joint venture, for opposing reasons, perhaps.
In 2012, Axl admitted he cancelled the Philly show, but went to say that ClearChannel had their own issues in Florida. Guns were to play there the week after. This suggests the promoters had began looking into pulling the plug. In all fairness, the tour had began to pick up on momentum, with fair attendance in population centers like Toronto, Boston and NYC. Too little, too late for CC?
Axl himself had visible issues with being out there. Just look at those oversized jerseys and tantrums thrown on stage; hardly the signs of a happy bunny. The rumble he would've gotten was that tour was selling poorly and dates were about to be axed. A major reason would've been the lack of an album, and henceforth, record company backing in tour promotion and whatnot. Axl would've been between a rock and a hard place, if he insisted on holding on to the album.
The MSG show was sold out in 10 minutes. Axl said during the show that the brisk demand for tickets "really helped things out". He went all in and delivered his best show on the tour. It's plausible he indeed got sick - having given his all to what was supposed be a redeeming show, he would've still looked at getting shafted by the promoters, due to overall lackluster sales and his erratic behaviour. Stress factor plays a part, he could've found himself succumbed by the pressure after the show and decided to skip Philly.
Axl had cancelled shows in the past for lesser reasons; he knew he could try it on, to send a message to CC. Here's where the narrative gets tricky. Axl said he informed Doug Goldstein about his illness at 6AM, on the day of the Philly show. "Cancel it, I'm sick." Apparently, Dougie goes, "Whatever, a good nights' sleep and he's fine with the show again." 15 hours later, the reality of the situation hit Goldstein. "He's not coming," he informed the Philly venue.
The riot happened, in Axl's version, because the management failed to take note of his illness and cancel the show during the day. They were seemingly hoping this was just another tantrum in the string of many, and that Axl would hop into the helicopter come nightfall and do the show, business as usual. ClearChannel had the 'One strike and you're out' policy in place for Axl, as the next Philly show was cancelled on the day after.
This all points out to ClearChannel and Axl having come to blows, with the management stuck in the middle, hoping to keep things going, because tour means income and cancellations - if squared on Axl - would mean litigations. I maintain there was some element of powerplay involved with the Philly shows; the promoters may have brought in the bad news for Axl, who was already on dire straits. He might've kept on touring had they permitted him, but the post-MSG illness gave them the perfect excuse to boot him out.
In any case, it's likely a more convoluted story than just watching basketball during the show.
#276 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 511 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:I think of 2002 as the "iconic" CD-era line-up. Buckethead, Finck, Fortus, Dizzy, Pitman, Stinson, Brain and Axl. It felt like they'd ironed out the kinks and locked down a stable unit; unfortunately they never got to crystallise around the release of the album.
I'd love to hear from the ones involved what happened inside the band after the 2002 tour imploded and Bucket exiting, in 2004.
Well, the RTB / Tom Zutaut album was erased.
"The band, our two engineers [Caram Costanzo and Eric Caudieux], myself, [and] most importantly, Axl... have been working on the actual album for the last two years [from early 2003]." (Merck, 03/06/05)
"It went through Sean Beavan, Roy Thomas Baker and then I guess Axl is the producer now." (Brain, EQ TV, 10/08)
So, this begs the question, was 2002 about Axl having emotional issues with then-CD - produced by his now-enemies RTB and Zoot? Did that make him have cold feet about completing and releasing it at the time? Because his response to the ignominious tour cancellation was to re-do everything - instead of pushing it out.
Imagine the sighs going around the band. Those same old songs.
#277 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 511 weeks ago
Axl's mistake was using a new band and calling it guns n roses...I've said it a million times...if he would've just been "Axl Rose" similar to Ozzy Osborne going solo after Sabbath then every thing turns out alot different IMHO
That's for sure. Keeping the name is one thing, but crafting a Guns album as the lone gunman is another.
IMO NIN, Marilyn Manson, White Zombie type shit is Finck's bag...not estranged and scom ... his dissonant chords and drop-d tricks just dont fit ... you gotta use the right tool for the job my freinds
Therein lies the problem. I love Robin and he would've worked out fine for an Axl band, as the Manson/Zombie sound is probably something he went for in the late 90's. Half the CD tracks are from that era, so it's probably more fair to coin it 'industrial rock', if anything.
The only problem was that the band was reduced (publicly) to a Guns nostalgia act. This was unfair to them and the audiences. Had they had an album out, it would've alleviated things a bit - at least, Axl would've had a leg to stand on when saying it's a matter of moving ahead.
Hindsight tells me a good way to deal with it would've been to retire the Guns name for a decade, done away with the new band / album and re-teamed with Slash and co. in 2006. But Axl's a decade out of step with the rest of the world.
That's what happens when you give a hair-trigger like that absolute power over a huge corporate asset. People will trip on each other to please him, regardless how costly and impractical his requests may be.
The good thing is that Axl certainly seems to be in a better place now. With Slash back on the stage, he's pretty much redeemed in the eyes of the mainstream. Hardcores wait for CD2, the rest of the world is curious for an album. It's been worse.
#278 Re: Guns N' Roses » 14/7/16 LINCOLN FINANCIAL FIELD, PHILADELPHIA, PA UNITED STATES » 513 weeks ago
About the booking thing.
i think calling ticket sales "mixed" is very misleading. there's about 2,000 tickets left based on the map. that means 48,000+ seats have been sold.
So no, not a case of over-booking. I'm sure Live Nation is happy with these sales, especially at the average ticket price they are getting.
Philly is a major market, but not as populated as Chicago or NY. it's also a Thursday night in the middle of the summer. and there's also still plenty of anger about 2002 cancellation. it still gets mentioned regularly by certain DJs on the #1 rock station here (93.3 WMMR), which has just fueled the Axl hatred in Philly more than the rest of the U.S. I think that hurts with the rock fans that might go just to check out a live band they've never seen before.
but to have approx. 95% of all tickets sold, I think is a success.
Axl will return to Philly In late September, on the last date of Rock or Bust - the most attended concert tour last year.
Last year, AC/DC toured US arenas with 95-100% admittance. They'll do so again; in Philly, it'll be Wells Fargo.
WF, the home of the Flyers, is roughly a third from Lincoln's 50K. Guns are, hands down, the biggest rock band atm.
#279 Guns N' Roses » Catcher and Lennon » 513 weeks ago
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While some of Axl's letter is disappointing - As John Lennon once asked Paul McCartney "How Do You Sleep?" - until you have walked a mile in his shoes you cannot begin to comprehend the pressure he is under. - Merck's open letter, 12/06
This struck me by surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK7CLXHSr1M
HDYS was Lennon's commentary on McCartney's post-Beatles career. He felt McCartney went too commercial with musical direction (an attitude shared by the music press at the time, despite the commercial success).
You live with straights who tell you "you was king"
Jump when your mamma tell you anything
The only thing you done was yesterday
And since you've gone it's just another day[
Whereas Axl goes,
Oooh, the Catcher In The Rye Again
Won't let ya get away from him
(Tomorrow never comes)
It's just another day...
Like today
Yesterday becomes just another day in both cases, be it losing a friend to commercial success or a shooting.
Catcher, overall, has pretty brill lyrics, btw. To me, it's Axl prime.
#280 Re: Guns N' Roses » 9/7/16 NISSAN STADIUM, NASHVILLE, TN UNITED STATES » 513 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:Under no circumstances would a post UYI lineup featuring the 'big 3' have went that long without an album. For starters, they would have had zero resistance from the label. Once an album is handed in, album gets released.
Ahh but the label still wouldn't like a GnR album that didn't sound like Guns N' Roses.
Yup. I bet even IFOCS as a whole would've been "too Southern Rock" for Geffen as a Guns album, while it's a proper Slash solo album. The same argument could, arguably, be applied to Axl and CD. Take three best songs of both (Better, TWAT, Beggars...) and you have the spine for a good Guns album.
In retrospect, a good move for Axl could've been to collaborate with DJ Shadow or someone like that. Familiarize with the workflow, get the creative aspirations out of your system, release it and come back to Guns rejuvenated.
