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#282 Re: The Sunset Strip » The 13 Most Insidious, Pervasive Lies... » 650 weeks ago

Olorin wrote:

Any thoughts???

As a music maker. This is all very very true of my experience.
The digital world is not what it used to be. We even saw Trent Reznor return to a major label this year.
Back in 2007 he was proclaiming the death of the major label and urging fans to steal his CDs.
He tried some digital release models that didn't work and then tried the free album thing and that didn't work either.
Now he's back on a label.

A capitalist economy cannot support an incompatible music industry.  If music can't make money on a large scale, then music can't be made available on a large scale.  Simple as that.

The ideal of the internet is great, open borders, free flowing content etc. But we don't live inside the internet. The rules of the internet don't apply to the economic system. Most artists cannot make any money from digital music. It's not the fault of the people downloading for free. It's the result of a mismatch between the rules of the digital world and the rules of the "real" world.

The digital world and real world won't fully integrate in a way that allows artists to make money UNTIL they are grounded in the same basic attitude. As long as there is a disconnect between open-source and profit economies there is no way of making money.
All that said. I don't think that the internet should be subject to economic rules just because the dominant ideology there damages the music industry and hampers artists. I say that as a hampered artist who uses a lot of digital technology in his music making. Retaining the open source nature of the internet is more important than the financial woes of the artist. What is really needed is a shift away from digital music formats.
Music needs to be re-embodied in the physical world. What if artists made some form of collectible artistic sculpture piece that had the music inside of it? Something tangible and real that could not just be downloaded? Maybe with the advent of 3d printing it's too late for that too, but the issue isn't changing the rules of the digital world to mirror the broader rules of an economy. The answer is to give up our obsession with internet and the digital world and focus on reconnecting music with the physical world.

Here's my latest hampered digital album:http://line-in.bandcamp.com/
And latest video: http://vimeo.com/73765476

#283 Re: The Garden » Did Hitler Escape to Argentina? » 653 weeks ago

Aussie wrote:

On a similar theme I have watched a program here a few times called "Nazi Hunters", I think that's what it's called, that tell the story of how they tracked down and captured some of the key figures years later.  I found it very interesting.

One aspect of it I found completely bizarre was that given what they were directly involved in and the power they wielded etc, some of them were living the most mundane and basic existences post the war.  They were the most polar opposite of lives they were leading afterwards compared to during the war.  I also find it incomprehensible how they could even return to and function in a normal regular life.  Perhaps I have a conscience compared to those monsters, but I would be racked with guilt and live a tortured existence after that.  I don't even know how you could return to any sort of normal life?

The only conceivable way was if they still believed that what they did was good.

#285 Re: The Sunset Strip » LED ZEPPELIN's 'Celebration Day' To Make Its U.S. Television Debut » 654 weeks ago

Me_Wise_Magic wrote:
Rex wrote:

I have this shit on Bluray already, and it's badass. Led Zeppelin still has that big fat sound from their heyday. I'm really surprised at how well Plant sounds on this. He still has that soul, and even though you can hear him struggle sometimes, he's still very capable of singing the material.

He ain't the golden god for nothing. A true professional.

The crown king of rock and roll without question

#286 Re: The Garden » Obama knew about NSA spying on Merkel » 654 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

At this point? People are about as surprised as to find the sun rising yet another morning. A state of corrupt overload. It's not like our leaders are any better. Every fucking day there's some outrageous shit being uncovered. It's gone way past caring.

That's one hell of an avatar btw. You haven't been watching "The greatest story never told" by any chance?

Exactly. I personally would have assumed this was the case anyway. Merkel is probably spying on 30 countries herself

#287 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH Signs Worldwide Publishing Agreement With WARNER/CHAPPELL MUSIC » 654 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Is this good or bad or no big deal?

Good for Slash. Good for Slash's record label. Good for WB. Good for fans in remote areas that buy physical music in from abroad at extortionate prices.
To everyone else? Strange!
You'd think a household name like Slash would have a distro deal.

#288 Re: Guns N' Roses » Welcome back » 658 weeks ago

Yikes. Good this is back. I was suffering withdrawal symptoms for a while there!

#289 Re: The Garden » War in Syria » 662 weeks ago

RaZor wrote:

It's not illegal to make war without a UN resolution, and chemical weapons can be used legally against enemy combatants, it's is illegal to use them against civilians which is what happened on Syria.

Also, the opinion that you choose to have makes me want nothing more to bring every US troop home and return to our isolationist ways, not because I think you're right, but because I think you're ungrateful.


This argument comes up a lot. There are two fundamentally different world views going on here.
You're saying RaZor that Osiris should be happy that the US is helping out with international issues.
Osiris would be just as unhappy with France right about now who are also helping out.
He's not anti-american intervention. He's anti-war. He's asking why a boatload more of our fellow man are going to have to die because this docuhe Assad decided he was gonna gas some of his people.

You two aren't gonna agree.
You're both fighting a a different argument.
You're happy for people to die to prove a point. He's not.

RaZor wrote:

Ungrateful that when the US goes to war to protect natural resources, it's not becuse we need them, but it's for the benefit of the free world and the free market.

Big statement. Nobody outside of the policy makers will ever know this for sure.


RaZor wrote:

Ungrateful that surrounding Russia and China with military assets is probably the only thing keeping them from rolling over Europe and South East Asia respectively.

Huh? The cold war that made enemies of Russia and America is long forgotten in europe.


RaZor wrote:

Ungrateful that the American tax payer spends so much on defense, that the rest of your countries don't have to and get to be free riders on the Pax Americana.

Again you're arguing here that America are doing this on Europe's behalf.
They're not.

Britain and France were representing the EU in this.
Britain have pulled out because a democratic vote determined that they had right to go into Syria.
France on the other hand are chomping at the bit to go into Syria. It was French intelligence that killed Gadaffi lately too.

RaZor wrote:

And Ungrateful for all the America blood spilled to save the world from fascism and than communism.

Point 1- Fascism:
A lot more European than Americans died in WW2 and it was a collaborative effort that won that war.

There were twice as many Japanese CIVILLIAN deaths from the US dick measuring exercises Nagasaki and Hiroshima than US MILITARY deaths over the entire war. Just think about that. Thousands of innocent people evaporated long after the war had been won in Europe.

Point 2 Communism:
America didn't save the world from Communism. America and Russia, the two biggest super-egos on the planet, decided work out their difference like spoiled children for half a century. Don't kid yourself communism failed en massé due to internal abuses.

The communist system is better and fairer than the capitalist system in theory. The problem with communism is that it requires a level of egailty and fairness from the people at the top that most people don't seem to have. We shouldn't be proud that communism fell. It speaks volumes about the fickle and self-serving nature of the human spirit.

The capitalist system on the other hand requires that people BE what they are: self-serving and greedy.
Capitalism works because we, the people who pursue the capitalist ideal, are jealous self-serving individuals.

It's a black mark on the history of the human race that we did not care enough about our fellow man to make communism work, but would rather fight and compete with one another at every turn instead.

Fuck man. It really annoys me when people talk about a system that was designed to bring justice, fairness and brotherhood to the masses as if it were evil. The people who ran it were fucktards, that's the problem.
Capitalism works because it's adapted to the fucktard mentality that we all seem to have.

Depressing.

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