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#2901 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 791 weeks ago
yes, DM in 2009. my bad.
but Axl is still in the band. he shouldn't give up playing his old material because a tiny handful of forum posters feel the new band should earn their stripes on the songs they actually appear on (obviously, that doesn't apply to ashba). GnR plays a decent amount of material from their latest album, in line or more than what most bands do.
it really just comes off as people just trying to find something to bitch about.
but i agree with you that i would rather they dive deeper into the older material.
just because it's in line with what most bands do does not make it right.
& it's really the only facet of GnR that's in anyway similar to what most bands do. there is plenty of positive, ace things other bands do that GnR don't fall in line with. so there's still, to my mind, no justification for such a lazy live routine.
it's more than something to bitch about. the setlist is one of the few symptoms of the laziness the public & fanbase get to see & experience. it's a public indicator of the general malaise that has killed the band. if there were positives & excitement growing from the setlists there'd be energy & excitement for what else they're creating, but we know better their intentions by the dull procession of the same 18 songs each night.
#2902 Re: Guns N' Roses » Baz on Axl while plugging new album » 791 weeks ago
typical display of uncle axl's time-keeping
leave it til the last minute then don't even fucking bother
#2903 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 791 weeks ago
but it would be nice to have a guitarist playing songs they actually wrote in GnR for a fucking change!
#2904 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album » 791 weeks ago
"may be redone"
so they are still planning on adding more shit to these 10 year old songs? It's time for the hoarders and MSL or whoever to leak whatever they got.
Enough of this shit...what a bunch of idiots. The fact that it is being considered irritates me.
they're not planning anything
tommy is merely speculating & echoes what the fans have been speculating upon for the past 2 years.
absolutely nothing has changed
i don't even know why tommy cares tbpfh given how his bass was buried in the CD stew
#2905 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 791 weeks ago
ron should do the tour sitting down. his [already brilliant] playing would improve..
#2906 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 792 weeks ago
Yeah, these guys seem to like being with each other.
But then again I think they've all settled down and realized its a nostagia act with no room for improvement.
It's a payday.
Axl (will still be Axl Rose with or without GN'R. In mob terms - he's a 'made guy')
DJ (has Sixx:AM to fall back on to get those creative juices out, plus I heard he's going into soundtracks/scores)
Ron (it's this or "okay class, study Chapters 2 & 3 before next class")
Richard (the definition of a session musician -- will always have a job)
Tommy (has his solo career, which like Duff -- I think he prefers)
Frank (it's this or "soup or salad, sir?")
Dizzy (he's not as far removed from Teddy Zig Zag as he thinks -- he got lucky)
Chris (he can fall back on his art, but something tells me GN'R is more lucrative)I think GN'R finally has a homeostatic lineup, for various reasons... none of which equal us getting a new album, or frankly anything that we can buy in a store.
hilarious post
but sad @ the same time
which is the definition of truth, of course.
#2907 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 792 weeks ago
i agree w/axlin08 re: Jungle's placement in the set. if it were track #4 or 5 & then Axl did the, "d'you know where the fuck..." it'd work much better. CD into Jungle is too slow, both the intro's are too long when they run beside each other.
& i agree w/war that CD's intro should be live rather than recording. this band takes so many fucking short cuts & lazy options.
#2908 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 792 weeks ago
the regurgitated setlists are only a small fraction of the problem but definitely it's not a weak argument. there's no complaints on my end re: SCOM/YCBM/NR but you take it back to 01/02 & it's ITS/Brownstone/LALD/KOHD & even The Blues whereas there's a plethora of hits that are ignored. i don't have [that much of] a problem with them playing the old stuff, it's just they play so much of the old stuff & only only certain old stuff - no Civil War, no Yesterdays, no Perfect Crime, no Think About You... Bumble had to drag Don't Cry kicking & screaming out of Axl & even now he still doesn't know & can't sing all the lyrics..
they could play plenty of old stuff & still have a fresh setlist.
the only changes to the setlist in the past decade have been Sorry & This I Love. THAT is asinine & lazy. what they're doing isn't rock n roll, it's a pantomime which is where comparisons with Whitesnake & Journey come in to it. now i'm no U2 fan but credit where it's due they continuously revamp their live show, they play the hits but they play a variety of them & they're not afraid of new songs. axl on the other had has been dragging along the same sorry carcass for at least a decade.
edit: & there is a win situation for the band, and for everyone. that's to keep pushing forward & FUCK those people who are just there for the hits. those people are dead fucking weight. mindless drones fed by an industry only after their money.
#2909 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 792 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:hold on a minute
with the price of admission being what it is people are more than justified to call this what it is, a money-grabbing exercise from a phony rock n roll band soiling the memory of something that was once truly special.james is right that the show by & large is a nostalgia trip, which is why people should hate on it.
You're exactly right; "People should hate on it". Do you have any clue how ridiculous that sounds?
Let me ask you this; is there ANYTHING this line up could do to make you happy? Or are you just so stuck in the 80s and 90s that you cannot move on? Because if the answer to the first question is "No" and the answer to the second question is "Yes" then why would you even waste the energy "hating on it"
And I'm so sick to death of the "money grabbing" argument. I assume all the bands you go see must play for free. The price of GN'R tickets is far less than what other acts are charging this year, so what's the problem? Even at the highest ticket price ($75) I'll be shocked if the tour breaks even. With the cost of everything to do with a show these days, $75 a ticket ain't gonna cut it to go grabbin' a ton-o-cash.
i am not stuck in the 80s & 90s. i am not the one playing 16/7 songs a night from AFD & UYI.
there is PLENTY this band could do to make me happy. recycling setlists from 25 years ago does not please me., 4 years on from the last studio album & no new songs does not make me a happy it makes me a sad panda.
the way it's being run atm however i find deeply unsettling - tho at least they've dropped any pretence of being anything other than a money grabbing nostalgia trip so i applaud that subtle, if mean-spirited, honesty.
people should demonize & dismiss any artists trading on past glories in the way rock bands do. it's an ugly betrayal of the pioneering spirit of rock n roll. GnR have reduced themselves to the level of Journey & Whitesnake. there was a chance to blaze their own trail & break new ground, but that has been sacrificed due to laziness & the appeal of easy money.
you misinterpret what i mean by money-grabbing. i would have no qualms paying a lotta canoli's if it were an honest endeavor being undertaken. but any good, wholesome values walked out the door a long time ago.
this band is morally bankrupt.
only a determined volte-face will see the genuine nature of the beast reawakened. & we know that's never ever going to happen.
& i hope you'll see i'm avoiding the argument of what is GnR - cause i agree with you & monkeychow & Smoking Guns with regards Axl's iconic status & i believe like that old quote from Classic Rock Axl is the one irreplaceable member of GnR.
but what GnR have become is, atm especially, an egregious affront to the ethos that founded the the institution. it's a betrayal of what was the ultimate rock n roll band to parade the way they do. it cheats the fans & it cheapens the legacy.
#2910 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 792 weeks ago
hold on a minute
with the price of admission being what it is people are more than justified to call this what it is, a money-grabbing exercise from a phony rock n roll band soiling the memory of something that was once truly special.
james is right that the show by & large is a nostalgia trip, which is why people should hate on it.
