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#2931 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
Gnr was done in 91 and it is kinda cool that they left at that point.
if only this were true
nobody told slash & axl, they didn't leave it at that point. & now look, it's an embarrassment to all concerned.
#2932 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
it's better being damned by doing
more is lost by indecision than wrong decision
he's getting old. precious time is of the essence. it's all he's got & it's going fast.
unless he's gonna sit on the vault until all his enemies are dead or he eventually feels he's won whatever battle he's fighting, or indeed released posthumously (godforbid)
fwiw - i actually haven't voted in the poll yet! i'm still unconvinced. i would tend to agree w/monkey that axl is a bit of a mental-midget (to borrow another tony soprano quote) & that his intentions are lost somewhere in his madness & weird world.. but there is evidence that he does take his fans for granted @ the very least..
#2933 Re: GN'R Downloads » Skewrl leaks » 794 weeks ago
nah bucket kills on maddy in '02
revisited it a few weeks ago for first time in donkeys & had to put it on repeat for a couple of days after. startling, classic GnR. what happened after turned the song into utter balls & possibly the worst song on CD, bar CITR..
that bucket solo is one of those solo's that captures the mood of the song perfectly & tips it into the realm of magic.
#2934 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
Axl probably cares about his fans to a degree he just doesn't feel like engaging them in any capacity. The online chats an anomaly unlikely to occur again.
As far as the discussion about not releasing music on a regular basis is concerned, if you haven't figured out by now that all the "Axl is prolific" tripe we heard for years is 100% pure bullshit, you'll never figure it out.
Was supposedly prolific during the 1999-2008 CD era, yet from day one until finally reaching the finish line kept tinkering once every other blue moon with the same fucking tracks. I still laugh at the Merck comment in 2005 days after the IRS leak that there were 20+ tracks better than IRS and that the song wasn't even on the "A list". Three years later winds up on the album and happens to be one of the few highlights of the record.
Comedy gold...
johndivney wrote:but there's no reason why he can't commission del or fernando to tweet a simple message giving the fans updates
I'll take silence over that bullshit any day of the week.
like, godforbid he should throw us a bone...
While he obviously still has songs in his vault, if he started to throw some bones I have a feeling that vault would empty at the speed of light. Fuck bones at this point. I'll take the "B list" from the CD era wrapped in cellophane. The fact NO b sides were added to CD singles was a pretty big indication of what he has to work with and that was virtually ignored by everyone on all sites in the weeks/months before and after the album dropped.
(tho the silence obv means they/he isn't working on anything GnR related)
In other late breaking news, Liberace was gay....
Ron gave the fan base a reality check earlier this year when Ashba tried to act like it was 2002-05 again and telling people a new album was on the horizon and we were on the verge of overdosing on manna from heaven. Don't remember the exact quote, but he said the 2008-2011 lineup has NEVER recorded anything and IF something was to ever materialize it would be nothing but polishing up some CD era tracks in Axl's vault.
EDIT: I'm stoned. Gong posted the exact quote on the first page.
My interest in Ashba, Fortus, Frank, and Ron doing a new cut and paste job on ancient songs is below zero.
re: the vault/throwing the fans a bone - i didn't mean unreleased tracks, i meant something SIMPLE like putting a video on youtube or some official concert footage. even releasing a live EP on Itunes of the 'acoustic' shows. it's easy for ANYONE ELSE in the world, but not for axl.
something to tide the fans over or generate a bit of interest - instead of having to debate whether another shitty CD booklet is real or not!
re: the prolific thing - is something i think we've known since Moby (or Youth?) revealed they had trouble even getting axl singing when they came to the table. but that doesn't really have anything to do with the poll... i know what you mean about the BS that merck & baz spouted about there being a mass of material but to his credit axl has actually tried to downplay that notion save for the gig in london '02 when he said about it being a trilogy.
re: bold - yea i know this, that was my point.. not that it directly shows a disregard for the fans but his procrastination, indecision & lack of communication on the direction do.
#2935 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
Ok. Well on the subject of "It's been so many years since Chinese was released and we've got nothing" I disagree.
First of all, if I had put all this time and energy into my album then it got released in the fashion CD was, I wouldn't promote it for shit either. But Axl did get GNR out to do (what I hear was) a successful tour overseas anyways. I really believe the Azoff lawsuit has caused a WORLD of shit none of us will ever know the details of.
I'm the first one to bitch over and over about no US Tour. But when information came to light that they reached a settlement, I realized that no US Tour was probably a direct result of litigation with Azoff. Now if RiR comes and goes then nothing is lined up and happens (US or not), my argument won't be valid any longer.
I'm really hoping that RiR is the start of the ball rolling again. I'd love for a US Tour to be announced by the end of September, before RiR so we all have something to look forward to.
there's always an excuse.
ok you can pass off there being no US tour on the Azoff thing & maybe even the release of new material.
BUT what has Azoff got to do with songwriting?! Ron's been in the band 6 fucking years! why why why why why can he not write even a single fucking song with the guy, or even fucking try to! that has NOTHING to do with the business or any bullshit lawsuit shenanigans.
we got another AFD world tour played by a cover band, and a few asian gigs got to hear a few Chinese songs. that's fucking nothing. it's nothing. i mean that in relative terms (cause obv it's something) but when placed against the potential that is in that band it's nothing.
there's always a world of shit around the guy, this much is true. what was he said about trying to get a new band together, "you wanna join my band? bring an umbrella" & i do sympathise with that aspect - fuck knows i get enough grief being a GnR fan. it just seems like i defend & promote their cause more than Axl does these days. & his seeming disinterest is a continual disappointment & more..
#2936 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
You say he could do more. That he's lazy. But how do we know this?
we know this by the amount of time he devotes to lawsuits.
this year, or the last few months, there has been the excuse of ron's accident. that's ok. but there is no earthly reason why he wasn't able to write with ron before his car crash, yet we know he hasn't. what other excuse can there be except laziness?!
maybe, just maybe, RiR will see us turn a corner.
i don't believe that tho. but certainly the period after that leading up to the eventual US tour is a(nother) critical juncture for him.
#2937 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
I'm all for integrity (Axl's got it in spades) but not to the point that it ruins lives ya know?
I don't believe he's lazy, I believe he's deluded
yea axl's integrity is a flaky thing. he seems to pick his battles badly. he can show integrity in not releasing a record & playing hardball with his record label but where's his integrity when it comes to playing a show for fans who have to get home @ a certain time, or maybe changing the setlist once in a while?
as for his delusions/laziness. i think both factor into it. he is deluded in the battles that he picks & some of the actions he takes & you just wonder what is the fucking point? his energy could be better spent elsewhere. but that side of him has always been there.
as for the laziness again i got back to the last 4 years. ok there's been tours but there's also been a hell of a lot of down time & the only time he hinted @ working on material was waaaaaaaaaaaay back when CD was released & he did the chats & mentioned about doing the vocals on Soul Monster. he's lazy & a procrastinatorm i think that's been in evidence all throughout his time in GnR, it's always taken him ages to make an album.
now a lot of that time maybe is due to his methods of recording & creating but in the past 10 years i don't think we've seen any evidence of that. there hasn't been a new song written since bucket left. that's fucking lazy.
#2938 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
At this point, who is to blame doesn't matter. What matters is that the situation hasn't changed in almost 20 years. There's no reason to expect it to change now. Why that is means nothing. Even if you knew who was to blame, what would be different?
the point of being able to attribute blame is to extrapolate the lies & deceit that has been perpetrated on the fanbase by those who are guilty.
if we know who is to blame we know how much of a shit axl gives about the fans.
if it's his fault it looks like conclusive evidence that he doesn't give a shit about the fans. if it's not his fault then fair enough.
it is impossible to blame anyone else now. the behaviour since CD's release is testament to that. i'm repeating myself now but it's 4 years since CD was officially released & there's been no hint of anything in the pipeline. now who is to blame for this new silence? axl will be like the boy who cried wolf if he can't provide some proper answers & puts it on the record label & conspiracy's from his former bandmates.
there really is no excuse. & the last 4 years would suggest that there were, maybe not lies, but excuses that stretched credibility during the CD-era (finding out about a tour thru the internet, cancelling rio due to bucket's illness, bucket's departure & whatever the fuck else bs axl spouted those years)
if axl is to blame then he's lied to the fans.
if he's lied to the fans he doesn't give a shit about them. that's why who is to blame is important regarding this thread. in general i agree it isn't important 'cause what's done is done, but it would help answer the question of my poll if we knew.
#2939 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
the thing about it being "it is what it is" is that (that's a lot of is's) throughout CD-era 99-08 every so often we'd get Axl or even Tommy (& Merck) blaming other people for what went wrong & why things took so damn long.
now we're post-CD & absolutely nothing has changed. so who is to blame? & if it's not Axl, if it's still his enemies, then why is he letting them dictate what happens to GnR?
& if it's not other people who are to blame then i think Axl should admit to the fans his intentions for the band. if he doesn't want to release anything then tell us & we can let it go, if he does want to do something there is no excuses that i can see that is stopping him except his own cowardice & malfunctions & they are no longer excusable.
#2940 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 794 weeks ago
With all due respect, you know nothing about what Axl Rose can and cannot do. None of us do.
I'm sorry but I can't get away from my original point. If you truly believe all of these about Axl Rose then why haven't you walked away yet?
"Why do you look at me when you hate me?"
I really do get your point of "I see so much potential and to see it wasted pisses me off" (I'm paraphrasing you, so correct me if I'm completely wrong but I think that's your overall point). But what I don't get is, why get upset about it? If GN'R could be so much more than they are and they're not all because of one guy and you really believe this guy doesn't care about his fans, then why bother with him?
mate, if Bono/Hetfield et al can do something there's no reason why Axl can't. he's done it before ffs - he's managed to release records & video's in the past. it seems simply a matter of desire - & if that is the case he should offer the fans a little clarity of his intentions.
i've explained why i bother. cause it means something. i connect with the underlying principles of Guns N Roses. what this means to me is more than i know he believes!
it's something i don't want to see decaying. i want it to be vital & alive. or i want it to be finished & let it's legacy be what it is. instead of this situation we have at the minute which is staining & spoiling the legacy & power & truth of what is found in GnR & Axl's songs & performances.
