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#3001 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
So maybe, just maybe, according to Axl, things are right on schedule! Or hey! Maybe even ahead of schedule!!!
y'know that thought actually crossed my mind after i posted my last msg.
wouldn't it be sweet if we're sitting here 3 or 4 years time - we've had one or two albums & a world tour by that stage saying, "fuck axl was RIGHT all along"
maybe he is ready to release the stockpile in the vault. maybe that was the plan all along, to get ahead of themselves with the recording & stockpiling of material.
BUT, i don't believe that at all. i don't believe there was or is a plan.
& i don't believe it because i've never seen evidence of a coherent plan, or a plan that has worked the way axl or his management intended it to.
& this stage, Axl is out of time. he's old & irrelevant. he is. even if Uni gave GnR the budget for videos it'd be embarrassing seeing 50year old men prancing around like a young, vital rock band. too much time has been wasted. the moment has passed & all we can hope for now is the chance we'll get some new songs sometime someway..
#3002 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
well madagas, what in your opinion is the hold up in releasing the new album then?
i think, if there is gonna be a USA tour next year that's our best chance at seeing an album released.
i agree with mrID/faldor/MC/Neemo we won't see a reunion (tho they will be inducted in the RRHOF of that i've no doubt)
but unless Axl wants it, i don't think we'll see a new album either..
it's been fucking ages now since the last leg of the tour ended & Axl could've had Dj in the studio recording parts to old songs - but we've no indication that that has happened. i think that all we know about the next album from Dj's point-of-view is he has sent demo's over to Axl. he has never mentioned going back & adding stuff to the vault the way Bumble did (& the way Bumble spoke of this).
it could very well be Axl is still in that limbo of whether to release the vault or start afresh, a matter of contention we've been debating now for at least a year.
let me put it this way: if Axl isn't the problem (with his pettiness or insecurity) then i just can't understand why it takes GnR so long to release music. i would like some clarity on this issue but it seems to be an impossible question to answer. it is just such a wasteful clusterfuck. forever.
#3003 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
what is the financial element?
i know gnr have had their contract re-negotiated with the UYI's & CD, is that part of the problem?
if the songs on the next album are coming from the CD-era sessions then there can't be much overhead costs & if the BB deal wiped the slate clean from the 13mil+ CD budget then the label should be happy enough??
was are the hold ups exactly?
as far as i can tell it's axl's (lack of) enthusiasm for the project..
part of his lack of trying is obv due to strained relations with the label - & axl has ALWAYS been prickly (or a prick) in that sense so i don't see how it'll be overcome suddenly & things start turning up roses.. will we get a new album next year? it is possible but really history tells us there's little real chance..
#3004 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
axl's admiration of jagger's organisation never sat quite right with me
it was like axl forgot about all the CRAP records the stones put out after jagger seized control/keef slipped deep into his addictions
with axl taking on all the power there was an automatic compromise between in the quality (& quantity) of material & the bizness stuff he had to wade through.
#3005 Re: Guns N' Roses » Anatomy of an Implosion » 801 weeks ago
while a lot of that speculation does make sense in relation to axl, i seriously doubt he could find substantial enough peace of mind in mending his bridges with slash. to me it seems he has many more issues than just the sainted top-hat.
2. "Selling out" on your dreams of youth. Some of the participants in my study who fit the Downward Slope criteria were highly successful and seemed to have it all. Inwardly, however, they were miserable because they had left behind their youthful value systems. Perhaps these highly successful men had lost touch with their true selves-- the ones that inspired them to pursue the careers they did.
One word. Yoda.
see i don't get this one. if anything i think axl has perhaps stuck too rigidly to the behaviour he exhibited in his youth. i watched a film called the Edukators last night & one of the striking moments was when the Edukators declared, "some people never change" & i think that's more axl's 'problem' than leaving behind his "youthful value systems" - in many ways he still behaves like that streetsmart kid who isn't gonna take shit from anyone & who will demand the world in return. he is still, for the most part, an unreasonable principled jerk.
i think if axl hadda gotten enough money any other way he still woulda probably turned to Yoda due to his insecurities.
i do agree reaching a detente with slash would be good & productive for him (& everyone), but it isn't the sole reason why we're not getting a new album.
let's not forget it took an unusually long time for the UYI sets to follow the bands debut LP.
my point is, his behaviour has always been in a along a similar pattern. it was probably Izzy leaving more than Slash which derailed GnR & the ability to get Axl to produce on a reasonable timetable as he was the only one who could communicate to the guy, as he knew how to talk to him when they were kids. Axl has been exhibiting the same principles & character defects all down the line & Slash isn't the solution.
to be fair to the guy, i think we know enough but not enough about him to understand what is really going on. there are well documented reasons for his insecurity & he doesn't seem to have ever been able to resolve them & control them despite the money he's spent on Yoda & psychologists & dietitians.
maybe it's as simple as he doesn't have the managerial/administration skills to run the b(r)and as a hugely successful enterprise (which is obv from the lack of merchandise as well as many other things - MLB/NFL owning the GnR website?!) & he can't trust people - managers or bizness representatives so he's got his ex-wife's housemaid & her son as his defacto manager. but he's ambitious, egotistical & perhaps even greedy.
those factors are debilitating & have always been fundamental issues. & it's in there somewhere where the fault-line is. Slash & his myth is another cumbersome burden for Axl & GnR to have to carry.
but really, we have no real indication outside of the content of CD to know where Axl's head is at these days. does he harbour ambitions of bringing GnR back to the level of fame they were at? does he still have an interest in music, in releasing music?
we just don't know what the fuck is going on in his head. my best guess is he's an insecure procrastinator who has bitten off more than he can chew.
there is a lot of other dilemma's impacting his behaviour like his jesus-complex.. outside looking in he does seem like a complicated mess of a guy who refuses to deal on other peoples terms.
the hope i have for the band is that RiR will perhaps point to what the future plans are. if there are any.
dj keeps saying it won't be 15yrs til the next album is out, but i mean why should we believe that?
#3006 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
like i said in the sixx:am thread, i don't really want casual fans or gnr to be chasing them down
i'd prefer gnr to be only capable of playing small venues than attract the fair-weather fans just in it for the hypebeast-popularity-contest, just there to listen to Nov Rain & SCOM
i want GnR to be playing setlists that have Coma instead of KOHD, Cornshucker instead of Brownstone, TWAT instead of L&LD.
i don't want them pandering to a majority that doesn't really give a shit about the majority of the music. casual fans spoil it.
i also don't really care about their marketability. in fact the lack of it makes me like them more.
i guess i am contrary..
but the more people shit on gnr & diss them & rip on axl, the deeper i get into liking it. it's almost like those casual fans dilute what is special to me about axl & gnr.
tho having said that, gnr should be one of the biggest bands in the world (presently opposed to historically) & by & large axl has fucked that up.. we could have had it both ways but he wasted too much time. we coulda had the credibility & catalogue & popularity of zeppelin but he just wasted too much time.. TWAT/Better/TiL coulda crossed the divide in a similar way to SCOM/PC/Nov Rain but the chance of that was blown a long time before they even got an official release.
#3007 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
FTR, to clear my name of any charges of contrariness, i wanna say i fucking love with all my fucking balls those songs except for Yesterdays - & even in moments of weakness i can even rock out to it.
Civil War is poss my favourite GnR song, in the top 5 at the very least & seeing Slash play it in what was once my local students union was one of the greatest concert moments i've ever experienced. (& i think it's a bit shitty of Axl that he has dropped it from GnR setlists, it should be a staple alongside SCOM/YCBM/PC/Nightrain/Nov Rain.)
PC to this day still kills me. even if i know Paradise City doesn't really fucking exist - for those 6mins it does. it does get a little stick these days but i don't recall anyone shitting on it to the degree Axlin claims. (and let me be perfectly fucking honest here, there isn't one nikki sixx song fit to be played alongside PC)
Breakdown is also one of my fave GnR songs but this time we're talking top 20. there was a phase i went thru when it was up there around the #1 & #2 spot on my faves but i've gone thru it now & out the other side.
i would take them all to a desert island before My World (except Yesterdays)
#3008 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
i will go listen to NIN, but when i'm good & ready!
obv GnR, since AFD, have played with a variety of styles & genres all based around the hard rock formula. i was just saying by way of comparison, if they released a streamlined album i'd prefer it in the tone of My World/Silkworms than Lies of the Beautiful People/TIGH
with axl at the helm GnR always will be a mesh of different styles. it's one of the reasons they're the best [hard] rock band ever, i was just sayin y'know... My World is p great is all..
#3009 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 801 weeks ago
i probably LOVE My World
haven't heard it in ages tho - i haven't really listened 2 GnR in awhile either tbf, & when i do it's usually with company & they don't wanna be listening to MW (tho i did revisit Slash this morning to try n clear the cobwebs away)
but i distinct remember the last few times i did listen to it & have it finally 'click' - there's a few cool ideas on MW & executed with a skill that is the equal or better than other 'industrial' rock before or long after.
i do agree GnR have some stinkers but i don't think MW is one. i prefer it to something like Back Off Bitch for example.
or even Yesterdays..
i'd defo prefer an album in the vein of MW than to go down the pop-rock road people were crying out for in the Sixx Am thread..
#3010 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » The Shit List » 801 weeks ago
the one i remember about izzy is from that classic rock interview he did where he said, "axl never got no pussy in high school"
not sure how steven blowing dudes for drug money relates to his GnR experience but yea kinda desperate & sad..
others:
todd crew dying in slashs hotel room
one in a million being recorded & released & then slash & izzy trying to distance themselves from it
the merck years:
axl finding out he was due to tour by stumbling upon it online one evening
blaming bucketheads illness for cancelling a tour
smaller stuff like:
yoda
the illusions after parties organised by axl & his family#
the tour rider metallica made fun of
axl was sacked by the band back when they justed started, after failing to appear for a gig, yea? only to be brought back into the fold a few days later..
duff's pancreas exploing
slash dying with nikki sixx (or was it vice versa??)

