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#311 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 7 » 298 weeks ago
There is something strange about the two unreleased songs making it this far. But maybe they were the best at that thing but CD became bigger than that.
I guess I’ll stick with Chi dem as the other 3 are great.
#312 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 6 » 299 weeks ago
wasted wrote:AtariLegend wrote:While it's not my favourite track, it's by the best version of that track. It's a perfect mix imo.
So the best version of Chi dem would beat the not quite best version of another. I find it hard to decide on the best. But I’m fine with all these tracks, other than Chi dem, I like it but it’s not releasable on a real album is it?
The versions that got released all have an extra 2-3 guitarists on each, along with 2 different drumers replacing fresse on the same tracks, somone playing a harp, sub bass (despite the fact that bbf is mixed over Tommys bass) and 2 different sets of orchestra arrangements.
I'm probably forgeting alot.
These were much more acceptable than what came out.
This is the discussion I have with myself about it. The leaks early versions are enjoyable in that you can hear all the parts and the song is there. And that is great in the way I listen to Bucket solo or Mr Bungle or Primus albums. The music candy element. But I think CD has that element but also the soundtrack part and Queen thing where two or three are blending, it’s not just a Bucket Axl album. And there’s the sound issue. Korn come out with Twisted Transitor and Better has to compete. I think the whole concept or place CD is trying to get to is bigger. There’s this battle to blow you away sonically and have that ear candy thing too. So it reminds me of Angel Dust in that way. Yes big songs but you also have Patton bringing in weird stuff. In a way it’s reversed with CD, Axk being the songs and Bucket is the weird exquisite element, all the effects. Adding in the rap and Radiohead beats and soundtrack thing it becomes this strange beast that’s never been done before. So that’s what I like about CD, it’s different listening experience oscillating back and forth from Axl’s vocals, guitar parts, sound effects, soundtrack themes, it’s a long drawn out experience. Even the track listing order is grinding to epic. Chi dem, TIL, Better would be a popping order. Hardschool Atlas Soul Monster goes there. Whereas with the leaks I’m going this is a great song or vocal or this is some next level shit from Bucket or whoever. It’s split up from great energy on Hardschool, Axl golden vocals on Atlas, then this soundtrack thing on Soul Monster. But those elements aren’t combined in every track like on CD. Chi dem has that punk grunge element but then this electronica thing in the verses, it has a prog solo, Axl almost rapping and there’s cinematic keyboard and effects. It’s a very sinister pop rock song. It’s like if Civil War was covered by Sister Sledge.
#313 Re: Guns N' Roses » When will we hear more vault material? » 299 weeks ago
Well there is 15 discs of released chickens now. Maybe them couped up and wait for KFC to call.
#314 Re: Guns N' Roses » disappointed in axl and fernando » 299 weeks ago
There’s two Departed quotes
“No one gives it to you, you have to take it.”
“30 years an Irishman couldn’t get a job, now we have the presidency.”
“Cranberry juice?”
Ok that was three. Things are looking up.
#315 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 6 » 299 weeks ago
wasted wrote:Is Chi dem really that good here, I mean it has something as a song but really not as interesting as the others for me.
While it's not my favourite track, it's by the best version of that track. It's a perfect mix imo.
So the best version of Chi dem would beat the not quite best version of another. I find it hard to decide on the best. But I’m fine with all these tracks, other than Chi dem, I like it but it’s not releasable on a real album is it?
#316 Re: Guns N' Roses » disappointed in axl and fernando » 299 weeks ago
No. It shouldn't be stored in a vault somewhere . . . . . it should be given to us
I was just saying if you care about it leaking don’t leave in Zutaut’s shed.
I mean you could almost say they wanted it to leak. I put my lawnmower in a shed just hoping someone steals it.
#317 Re: Guns N' Roses » disappointed in axl and fernando » 299 weeks ago
Not sure it’s really Rick’s fault. Zutaut had a shed with 20 discs of unreleased material just waiting to be uncovered. What’s next Pitman’s Garage is full of copies of CD 4. This kind of stuff should be stored in a bank vault somewhere.
#318 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album Thread » 299 weeks ago
wasted wrote:Do we have the Beavan album? Stuff with just Finck and Tobias, pre Bucket?
If IRS etc is from 2000 intentions then that might explain no instrumental versions. Bucket came in a re-recorded and added some new tracks to it, but the vocals were from Beavan.
yes, sort of we do have big part of that! count with me:
Catcher In The Rye
I.R.S.
There Was A Time
Atlas Shrugged
Perhaps
State of Grace
Prostitute
The Blues
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad & The Bedouins
Silkworms
likely also Nothing
likely also Hardschool
maybe also Eye on You+ instrumentals:
Oklahoma
Quick Song
Zodiac
D-Tune
Curly Shuffle
maybe also Mustache
maybe also P.R.L.
maybe also Thyme
I thought these were the Zutaut/ RTB tapes?
Anything Bucket did was with RTB? I think the first list is D1 is labeled 00. But is that the 99 album without Bucket? Those instrumentals I would say are Bucket RTB stuff. Not 2000 Intentions.
Maybe D1 is 2000 intentions?
As I understand it there was a Beavan record in 1999 that the recomp didn’t like because as Tommy said the sounds were too raw, Iovine then offered Axl 10 mil more to record with RTB and Bucket/Brain. Was Zutaut always involved? I had this idea he came in with RTB after 2000 Intentions.
To me Nothing seems like something like Dummy from the RTB era that Axl threw a vocal on and I think I read Bucket re-recorded Oklahoma. Zodiac and Quick are pure Bucket/Brain so that is RTB.
I may have everything wrong.
D1 - Beavan 2000 Intentions
D2-4 - RTB Bucket
#319 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Best of Rough Mixes Disc 1, Elimination Series Round 6 » 299 weeks ago
Is Chi dem really that good here, I mean it has something as a song but really not as interesting as the others for me.
#320 Re: Guns N' Roses » disappointed in axl and fernando » 299 weeks ago
The leaks are the album in the era of interactive social media. I mean they could have a dope app with all these leaks. Making a cd is so 90s. An Axl Vlog would get likes for sure. We’re in the studio not doing shit again. Like subscribe donate.