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#3251 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Buckethead Releases New Album-Slaughterhouse On The Prairie » 927 weeks ago

That dude comes up with some awesome song titles!

The song "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul " Axl mentioned  has got to be a Bucket song.

#3252 Re: Guns N' Roses » Former GN'R Manager Alan Niven Counters Axl's Claims » 927 weeks ago

Classic Rock Magazine,  Izzy Stradlin Interview 2001

He blows off about a lot of things in this interview, Axl bearing the brunt of a lot of things.



"   
     The lowest point was the notorious riot that ensued halfway through a show in St. Louis in 1991, after Axl first dived into the crowd and then refused to continue the show because someone in the audience had taken a picture. Possibly the most unsavory incident in the band's crazed, incident-driven career, as Izzy says now: "When something like that happens, you can't help but think bac to Donington [in 1988, when two fans were trampled to death in the rush for the stage at the start of GN'R's set]. What's to stop us from having some more people trampled - because the singer doesn't like something? Like, what's the point? What are we getting at here?"

     Travelling in his own trailer-truck from gig to gig while the others flew - no longer able merely to lose himself in the illusion - Izzy knew it was only a matter of time before he bailed out completely. Steven had already gone - hypocritically bumped out of the band for failing to deal with his own drug problems. Things just weren't the same anymore. "The music had taken a back seat, there was nothing new coming from us. We didn't sit around and play accoustic guitars anymore. It was like, oh, time to go on - where's the singer? The singer walked off? Now what do we do?"

   
     Izzy's decision to leave Guns N' Roses was announced officially in November 1991. Looking back at the cuttings, it seems like nobody made much fuss about it. The downsizing of GN'R to the Axl & Slash Show had begun long before that."

"Musically, at first he found it hard not having the rest of the band to bounce off of. "In Guns N' Roses I'd write a bunch of songs and I'd play them for Axl and he'd go 'Oh, that sounds like Thin Lizzy's 'Jailbreak'. Or 'That sounds like Queen!' He would always pick this shit apart and sometimes it was annoying. But suddenly I'm in this new thing and I don't have somebody [like that]."

     On the plus side, unlike Slash, who would eventually have to find a new frontman for his songs, singing was not a problem for Izzy. "It felt pretty natural. Axl was never usually there for rehearsals, so I'd be the guy singing a fucked-up version of 'Paradise City' or whatever. It became a matter of, well, now I always have to sing them."

"He says his last face-to-face contact was six years ago. "I'd moved back out to LA. I bought this old Norton Commando 850 and was riding around one day and I thought, fuck it, I'll go by his house. Bastard, he lives up in the hills, in this big house. I'll go and see what he's up to, what he's doing, you know?

     "And I go up and he's got security gates, cameras, walls, all this shit, you know. So I'm ringing the buzzers, and eventually somebody comes and takes me up and there he is. He's like, ''Hey, man! Glad to see you!' Gives me a big hug and shows me round his house. It was great.

     "Then, I don't know, probably a month later, one night he calls me [and] we got into the issue of me leaving Guns N' Roses. I told him how it was on my side. Told him exactly how I felt about it and why I left. And man, that's the last time I've talked to the guy!

     "But, I mean he had a fucking notepad. I could hear him [turning the pages] going, 'Well, ah, you said in 1982... blah, blah, blah...' And I'm like, what the fuck - 1982? He was bringing up a lot of really weird old shit. I'm like, whatever, man. But that's the last time I talked to him.

     "Every two or three years I'll put a call in to the office and say, 'Hey, tell Axl gimme a call if he wants to'. But I mean... the weirdness of his life. To me, I live pretty normal. I can go anywhere. In 2001, I don't think people really give a shit. But for Axl, I knew for the longest time, because his face was all over the television, and stuff. I don't think he could really go anywhere or do anything.

     "And I think because of that he kind of got himself in a little hole up there in the hills. He kind of dug in deeper and deeper and now I think he's gone so fucking deep he's just... I mean, I could be completely wrong. But I know he doesn't drive [unheard of in LA] and he doesn't... he doesn't do anything. I've never, never seen him in town. Isolation can be a bad thing, but Axl's been at it for a long time now. you know, he always stays up at night..." He drifts off, not even trying to find the words this time.

  The key to Axl's personality, reckons Izzy, still lies back in Lafayette. "In high school, you know, Axl, he had long, red hair, he was a little guy and he got a lot of shit [because of it]. I think he never got laid, too, in school. I hate to bring this up cos this is getting nasty," he laughs. "But he never got no pussy at school, Axl. So now the guy's a big fucking rock star, he's got the chicks lined up, he's got money and he's got people... and the power went to this guy's head. I mean, he was a fucking monster! Nuts! Crazy!

     "And I never saw it coming. I mean, this is my side of it, he'd probably say I'm completely fucking crazy, but I think he went power mad. Suddenly he was trying to control everything. Did you ever see those fucked up contracts for the journalists to sign?" he asks, referring to notorious 'consent forms' that Axl foolishly tried to foist on the media in 1991.

     "The control issue just became worse and worse and eventually it filtered down to the band. He was trying to draw up contracts for everybody! And this guy, he's not a Harvard graduate, Axl. He's just a guy, just a little guy, who sings, is talented. But man, he turned into this fucking maniac. And I did, too, but it was a different kind of maniac. I was paranoid about the business aspect - I was the one freaking out going, 'Where's all the money?'"

     "For [Axl] the money wasn't as big a deal. But he had this power thing where he wanted complete control. And you can say, well, it goes back to your fucked up childhood where his dad used to smack him around, you know, and he had no control, so now he's getting it back. But it's like, it's still kooky, you know? You don't have to have everybody signing stuff."

     When Axl finally gave his old school friend a contract to sign, it was the final straw. "This is right before I left - demoting me to some lower position. They were gonna cut my percentage of royalties down. I was like 'Fuck you! I've been there from day one, why should I do that? Fuck you. I'll go play the Whiskey'. That's what happened. It was utterly insane."


"     The decision to put 'One In Million' on 'GN'R Lies', their 1988 mini-album - with its denigrating lines about 'Immigrants and faggots' coming to 'our country' to 'spread some fuckin' disease' - was typical of the skewed thinking that now pilots the GN'R flagship alone.

     "That's a song that the whole band says: 'Don't put that on there. You're white, you've got red hair, don't use it.' You know? 'Fuck you! I'm gonna do it cos I'm Axl!' OK, go ahead, it's your fucking head. Of course, you're guilty by association. [But] what are you gonna do? He's out of control and I'm just the fucking guitar player..."



    How does he feel though knowing it's being said as a Guns N' Roses album?

     "Well, it's obviously not Guns N' Roses. I think all the fans [know that]. It's not even right that he uses the name, because he's the only guy [left]. I think ultimately it's gonna work agaist him because people are gonna say fuck you, wanker - that's what they'll call him here, right? 'You fucking wanker, that's not Guns N' Roses!' Hopefully, the music's good, cos if the music isn't good then he's gonna get the double-whammy..."

     A hypothetical question then: Axl's [solo] album flops, and he offers you all the chance to get back together - just like Aerosmith and Sabbath - would you do it? I mean, assuming Axl would be... "broke?" he cuts in, laughing. "I could hear the call." Goes into gruff Axl impersonation: "'You know, I've been, ah, thinking'. He talks really slow when he gets an idea like that. 'Aahhh, I've been thinking...' And I'd be thinking, 'He must be broke'," he chuckles. "That's how I imagine the call would go."

     He said the band still get hopeful promoters trying to tempt them back together with promises of enourmous wedge. "Oh, yeah. Around the big millenium hype, for sure." Is he ever tempted? "Yeah, why not?" he chuckles, "A [one-off] gig would be easy, I'd think."
     What about an album, though? Now he really does laugh.

     "Well, you know what? It's funny cos like me, Duff and Slash - we could go in and make a Guns N' Roses record in a week. basic tracks. [But] vocals and leads [instrumentation] could take God knows how long..."

The full interview is here:

http://www.chopaway.com/viewtopic.php?id=542

I've got the magazine, remember the interview well, its a good read.

#3253 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

I think it is at any rate, given the current circumstances, the song says a lot to me.

Kind of wishing I never voted it off 14

#3254 Guns N' Roses » Prostitute » 927 weeks ago

Olorin
Replies: 61

Sorry if I'm a bit slow and this is old hat, but I think I've just realised the song is Axl writing to the GN'R fans and its not about some chick.  Mabye I noticed before, cant really remember.

I was going to break it down piece by piece but your all bright enough to understand what I mean.

Anyway I think its about the Chinese Democracy saga, his troubled relationship with the fans, how he is feeling and what the future holds.

I'm wondering what he means by "forgive what you have, for what you might lose",
-is it about the album we got? He certainly doesnt seem very interested in the one that came out.

"up and away, its what I got to do" is a little worrying for the immediate future also.

Oh I dunno, I was smoking some chronic the other night and I just tuned right into this song, played it over and over. I was thinking about Axl and the circumstances surrounding this album, its release and the ensuing silence. It just seemed like he was telling a pretty explicit story to us in this song and we missed it.


"Seems like forever and a day...

If my intentions are misunderstood,
Please be kind I´ve done all I should.

I won't ask of you what I would not do.
Oh, I saw the damage in you, my fortunate one, the envy of youth.

Why would they tell me to please those that laugh in my face.
When all of the reasons they've taught us
Fall over themselves to give way

It´s not a question of whether my heart is true
Streamlined I had to pull through
Look for a new beginning on you
Oh I got a message for you
Up and away, it´s what I gotta do
Forgive what you have for what you might lose.

What would you say if I told you that I´m to blame
And what would you do if I had to deny your name
Where would you go if I told you I love you and then walked away
And who should I turn to if not for the ones you would not save

I told you when I found you if there were doubts you should be careful
and unafraid
Now they surround you and all that amounts to is love that you fed by perversion and pain

So if my affections are misunderstood and you decide I´m up to no good
Don´t ask me to enjoy them, just for you

Ask yourself why I would choose to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame
When you should have turned to the hearts of the ones that you could not save

I told you when I found you all that amounts to is love that you fed by
perversion and pain
"

#3255 Re: Guns N' Roses » Former GN'R Manager Alan Niven Counters Axl's Claims » 927 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

This is a good article and helps place a few pieces of the puzzle together. However, I would like to know why Niven(and others) waited so long to speak publicly on the matter. This type of information should have come out years ago when it might have had a chance at making a sliver of an impact instead of waiting to the point where pop culture no longer cares and huge chunks of the original fan base have moved on. It would be like dropping the atom bomb on Japan years after World War II ended.

Its cool of Niven to speak out on the subject and luckily he has an outlet interested in printing it, but in my opinion its a case of too little, too late.

I dunno, I respect him for keeping his troubles with Axl "in house" for so long. Axl made some pretty bold allegations with his rant to the fans and I really did wonder if anyone would respond. People were hoping for a Slash retort, but he's had his say in his book and I dont think he will even comment at all further.

Axl painted Niven as an evil doer from the moment he fired him and still continues that song. But yet the one guy who had his head screwed on tight  during that period, Izzy, left GN'R and then hired Niven as his manager for his Ju Ju Hounds thing.
To me that indicates that Axls problem was purely personal rather than from Niven being untrustworthy as a business man.

I guess this will be yet another piece of information that the GN'R "camp" will label lies from a liar.

#3256 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination Round 9 » 927 weeks ago

Twat. I'll be voting that till its gone, one of the worst on the album for me.

#3257 Re: Guns N' Roses » Blender Article on Axl and Chinese » 927 weeks ago

Strange essay. I kinda liked the message he was trying to convey but the language was a bit meandering. I'm glad to see Breakdown getting a special homage paid to it, although I had to google Nietzschean. My interpretation of that song is nuthing like that guy.

I googled Sisyphean as well, I'm suprised this word hasnt been used before over the years describing CD.

How dare he diss Nessie! 4 She's got minty fresh breath like all true Scots, well apart from Celtic supporters anyway.

#3258 Guns N' Roses » New article talking CD and Black Ice » 927 weeks ago

Olorin
Replies: 2

http://www.nashvillescene.com/2009-01-2 … the-money/


Interestingly someone is claiming Axl was working on the music up to a month before the album was released.

I thought as soon as I heard the whole album some songs reeked of last minute tinkering. I remember a former engineer claiming that Axl was tinkering with Oh My God up to the night before it was handed over as well.

#3259 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Gloves are off, I have to know..... » 927 weeks ago

Yeah I loved the bass in the demo of CD, that along with the drumming gave it a really cool groove. Axl singing in the deep voice also made it what it was.

I agree the bass is ok on SOD, but overall I was not only disapointed, but suprised at how little he stands out on the finished album. I dug the ITW demo and he owned that. What I cant bare is the pitman techno bassline farting along on the album version. Killed that song comp-letely for me.

#3260 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Gloves are off, I have to know..... » 927 weeks ago

What about the bass on this record? I can only really notice Tommy on the outro of TWAT. He is either drowned out or just absent on almost the entire album.

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