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#3581 Re: Guns N' Roses » World Tour Cancelled? » 787 weeks ago
did finck cause a similar reaction complaining about the late starts? maybe '02??
#3582 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sturgis, South Dakota, USA (Rock 'N Rev Festival) » 787 weeks ago
i dont get the setlist bitching...
where are Better, IRS, TWAT? what are we doing here? we're certainly not promoting or playing Chinese.
there is something seriously askew with having the same setlist for the past 10 years. it's evidence of the arrogance & laziness of the organisation. it's particularly galling this year as we actually have a CD now & there was a lot of goodwill generated by the early performances of the tour. but since then the enthusiasm has shrivelled and died as the band become increasingly predictable (again), & that is something that should never have been allowed to be associated with GnR.
Russ spoke a few pages back about the excitement of not really knowing what's gonna happen when you go see a Guns show. since the turn of the year anyone with a passing interest could guess exactly what was going to happen at a GnR show 5-6months down the line.
& above this all, GnR & axl should be judged to different standards than everyone else. no matter what the doubters/haters say, GnR's reputation carries with it an unique mystique & that power is being constantly diluted & undermined by the boring rotation we've found ourselves in. there have & always will be chances to stem the tide, but every chance that comes along axl & the band seem to let it pass, for whatever reasons - axl prefers the studio??
i love Chinese & i love Guns & most Guns members past & present, but this isn't what i love. Perfect fking Crime is what i love, why can't they play it instead of ISE or Brownstone, song's i & probably most of the people in attendance at these shows have heard at least a couple of times? i'd even welcome more Appetite - TAY or OTGM instead of such a stale & predictable experience they've been churning out acting like they're god's fucking gift.
it's not good enough to just show up & play the same 17 songs you played last night or last month. it wouldn't be good enough for most bands, it should be anything like the GnR experience. it's meant to be freedom, instead GnR live is now a scripted cash-grab.
#3583 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sturgis, South Dakota, USA (Rock 'N Rev Festival) » 787 weeks ago
I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd still love to see this lineup live. Regardless if it's only 2 "new" songs or so. Again, I'm not sure why people are up in arms or surprised at the setlist. Did you honestly expect massive changes? Or were you expecting what we got and were just chomping at the bit to bury them for it? I'm guessing the latter. Well, you got it, so have at it.
you don't need massive changes, change one or two songs & you could have a different set & experience each night - who in any audience needs to relive KOHD again??
it's a very simple procedure that would go a long way. look at the plaudits & hype surrounding the Tyoko set & Asian sets & how all that goodwill have dissipated as the setlist has becoming boringly predictable.
if every GnR set promised even at least 1 different song rarely performed it would benefit everyone - the audience, the fans & the band.
it's not like we're asking for a video or a new album or for mother goose to give us a blowjob.
because it's such a relatively small detail compared to the wider clusterfuck of the GnR saga the setlist complaints get swept under the carpet, but they're indictive of the dilemma of the organisation post-'89 (or: since axl gained control of the ship): undermined by fear & lack of preparation. they can't play different song's 'cause axl's a pussy, afraid of how they'll sound & they'll sound like shit 'cause he hasn't sang them enough.
it's a symptom of the wider tragedy. victory & power & empire for ever have been won but what good has axl ever done with the band without the other guys? GnR concerts should have surprises & unscripted excitement - but you coulda guessed this setlist 6 or 7 months ago. Axl isn't treating GnR live like a special entity, he's trying to treat it like every other band & he's doing it even worse than they do (at least the broing big bands might vary their set from continent to continent if not country to country or venue to venue).
axl's got everything he could hope for but he still wears the burden like a noose round his neck instead of being liberated by it. you would expect this liberation to be released most powerfully live as it's really the last place axl has total control over but instead of investing it with imagination & enthusiasm we get the comfortable set with songs that must've been performed about 1000 times already.
the GnR experience has gotten boring and predictable. that's pretty terrible. & they can't even raise themselves to shuffle up a minor aspect like the setlist how are they ever gonna function as a force beyond this tour. it'll fall back into the bleak cycle we've become accustomed to, only this time we don't have a record to wait for.
but there's also something a bit more personal that pisses me off. i've paid for two GnR shows this summer, one day after the other. the venues are about a 2 hour journey away from each other. it looks like i'm gonna be ripped off. i could probably have a similar sorta experience sitting in front of my comp watching youtube for two hours. it'll be the exact same choreographed performances of the exact same songs. in any day and age but particularly in a post-youtube world you can't be recycling a decade old setlist & expect people to believe they're giving all they have to give. instead the concerts seem like an inconvenience to axl & the band. if anything common courtesy, respect & politefulness GnR & Axl would be playing mindblowing setlists each & every night to thank the fans who do turn up to still support the band, you would expect that being their only capable form of expression. but no, they trot out the same safe stale set 'cause there's no risk.
#3584 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sturgis, South Dakota, USA (Rock 'N Rev Festival) » 787 weeks ago
I don't foresee any Tokyo like sets on the horizon.
you don't need a Tokyo set but there's been songs there that haven't left the Guns setlist since year zero, & there's plenty of people who've seen those songs plenty of times. & there's plenty of absolutely killer material that could be played that'd be more interesting for many people.
#3585 Re: Guns N' Roses » Belfast, Northren Ireland - August 31, 2010 (Odyssey Arena) » 787 weeks ago
the flights from belfast 2 the mainland & vice versa are short but really horrible! on the boat it takes a bit longer but you can have a bit of craic & get nicely warmed up for the gig in a way you can't on the plane..
#3586 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sturgis, South Dakota, USA (Rock 'N Rev Festival) » 787 weeks ago
yea disappointing set. hopefully reading/leeds bring about some fresh faces. & the loss of some familiar ones.
(do we really need brownstone in this day & age? any guys who partied hard in Guns are long gone.. IRS has much more in common with current guns than brownstone)
#3587 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1 million fans to get Axl Rose on Larry King » 787 weeks ago
There are a million different things that Axl could do "his way" and get a shit ton of positive buzz immediately.
How about a Funny Or Die video? How about let someone Roast him? How about just show up in Times Square or something with a surprise performance?
It doesn't always have to be about what "Axl won't do".
"axl won't do" anything that he can't control.
#3588 Re: Guns N' Roses » Belfast, Northren Ireland - August 31, 2010 (Odyssey Arena) » 788 weeks ago
they do have ad spots running on the radio quite a lot actually & ad's in the papers on an almost daily basis. i was actually surprised at the amount of promo for the show tbh.
#3589 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sturgis, South Dakota, USA (Rock 'N Rev Festival) » 788 weeks ago
if axl was on that rock u'd go see it..
#3590 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1 million fans to get Axl Rose on Larry King » 788 weeks ago
he shoulda done the larry sanders show.. him & hank would have gotten along really well.