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#361 Re: Guns N' Roses » When will we hear more vault material? » 299 weeks ago

FlashFlood wrote:
James wrote:

I have zero interest in anything Chinese done post Bucket departure.

2000-04 is where it all resides.

I generally agree but think think there is a 100 percent chance Axl’s vocals for most of those songs is post-bucket.

According to Beavan 80% of CD was recorded by him. But Axl seems to have done Soul Monster post Bucket era. Maybe even Berlin. I think partly what that vocal melody comment at China Exchange was about. Slash can write something off Nothing or Eye on You.

#362 Re: Guns N' Roses » The "Better" video treatment MSL possesses has leaked. » 299 weeks ago

I kind of like the videos were just in my mind. It wasn’t the MTV era, it was the leak era of the demise of the record industry. CD was the soundtrack to the end times, the hangover would have killed most humans.

#363 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 2 » 299 weeks ago

James wrote:

Funny you say too many people involved (and you're right) cause I was looking for that old Cornell quote about too many cooks in the kitchen.

Not to get into the name thing but it kinda reaches a point where....

What IS GNR? WHO is it?

When you reach the point of Shadow lineups within Shadow lineups and material showing up on solo/side projects, does the right hand know what the left hand is doing?

This type of thing goes back to 97 with Chris Vrenna and whoeverthefuck leading to Tool side projects recording albums to Shaq raps with Dizzy and Tobias to the Giant Robot guys jamming on the Chinese dime and cherry picking tracks. Then we've got harps, piano tuners, only thing missing is a nude midget entourage.

14 million adds up really quick.

On the other hand....

Can you blame them? All dressed up for Chinese and nowhere to go.

You're right...the Village sessions are bat shit. It's probably a miracle they got as many decent tracks out of it as they did.

I was thinking how will Axl get a vocal on Quick Song? So he did, but nothing expansive. As part of a triple album it’s pretty awesome opener on like a Chili Peppers album. Californication comes to mind.

I do think they were just over charged for hiring stuff and studio time. But they 10 mil to blow left over from the UYI plus it was meant to sell 20 mil. Conspiracy theory #214 maybe recomp was putting Axl in debt to force into getting Slash back.

I think there’s something to not having songwriters in the mix like Izzy. Going back to Snakepit era GNR, Tobias is there to write with Axl cos Slash is going full Draw the Line. So Axl is the only vocal melody in da house. So what else is there to do but go The Last Movie in the studio. Pure indulgent artistic process. But it’s endless, listening to Shanklers it’s maybe instructional to see how Costsnzo Evil Empire’d that track for the final version.

That’s most people’s problem, it’s too tight and polished, maybe too soundtracky. But to balance out all the styles maybe that really was key to pulling all that excess together. To end up with this crazy artistic album that is palatable to mainstream rock some decisions had to be made.

#364 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 2 » 299 weeks ago

I really see Axl driving his Ferrari down the Pacific Coast Highway to track 1 of Disc 2.

#365 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 2 » 299 weeks ago

It’s almost like Axl got Bucket to make him a few private Bucket albums.

And I just remembered Ron actually said a lot of stuff was basically like Scraped soundwise.

But Ron also said he played on a bunch of unreleased songs.

#366 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 1 » 299 weeks ago

James wrote:
wasted2019-2028 wrote:

I think Tommy said that people who came in wanted to get a slice of the money. So Bob Ezrin came in and said no it’s not ready. General lack of support from rec comp for 3-4 albums. Even Merck could not set something like that up. There wasn’t that think like put out 1 album then we’ll put more out. No statement of support from Iovine like that. I mean it makes sense to play both sides. What if Slash came back, Axl has said he offered Slash that before RIR. So managers were always more interested in a reunion long term I guess. It wasn’t as simple as great music equals a series of successful albums. They seem to have done everything from Alt rock to electronica to Pink Floyd but all anyone really wanted was Slash. Now you look back and Bucket is sounding pretty sexy.

They needed a step back and a breather....which that four year hiatus should've provided.

I know...label politics killed the album...but when we entered 2004 and even great grandma's are dancing to Slither, it was a sign Slash wasn't coming back right now and the label should've set Chinese free.

If one or both sides were unable to think of CD as one album, what a collosal misjudgment. Just because you have 2-3 albums of material doesn't mean you wait and tie it all up and throw it in neutral.

Superunknown was originally supposed to be two albums. We got one album and a fuck ton of B sides instead.

Load was supposed to be two albums.

We got Load and Reload instead.

They lost the plot.

There is that point in 2004 that the recomp gave Axl the green light right? It was an ultimatum but Axl declined. And they put up GH. Bucket quit. So it’s that catastrophe is the context. But Axl did dodge that VR head to head. Understandable given the media climate. It’s sort like what was trying to do was so hard to do. Be GNR and take on the hostility but also does this multi faceted progressive rock album.

It really was like Coppola making Apocalypse Now but in the end the industry was redefined by technology (CGI) and hair metal (Star Wars) and much less artistic bands. Now they just do remakes and reunion nostalgia tours. Luckily Axl is Dennis Hopper and Indiana Jones. Easy Rider and The Cristal Skull.

#367 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rick the leaker just got banned from shows for life » 299 weeks ago

Acontece que Rick foi simplesmente barrado pelos seguranças

Exactly.

#368 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rick the leaker just got banned from shows for life » 299 weeks ago

This is some kind of psyop. The Brazilian article has a picture of some guys growing weed. I have no idea what the article says. His name was Rick Dunsford.

#369 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 1 » 299 weeks ago

James wrote:

I think you forgot to download a disc, Wasted.

The instrumental titled Three Dollar Pyramid is Better.

I'm in full agreement about 2004...

https://i.imgflip.com/3cw1w6.jpg

Is it on the ITW Disc? My download folder is a disaster with about 8 track 1s all replacing each other.

#370 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rough Mixes Disc 1 » 299 weeks ago

James wrote:

To pause the Dylan-Atlas-Randy Rhodes discussion for a second...

And that was Axl’s power play. Didn’t have the stones or the vision to go the Napster route.

This was mentioned in one of the million leak threads....his Trump card against the label being a Napster leak.

It would've forced their hand.

I really don't know what he was thinking in that 2000-01 period.

Do we simply chalk it up to shitty management?

I think Tommy said that people who came in wanted to get a slice of the money. So Bob Ezrin came in and said no it’s not ready. General lack of support from rec comp for 3-4 albums. Even Merck could not set something like that up. There wasn’t that think like put out 1 album then we’ll put more out. No statement of support from Iovine like that. I mean it makes sense to play both sides. What if Slash came back, Axl has said he offered Slash that before RIR. So managers were always more interested in a reunion long term I guess. It wasn’t as simple as great music equals a series of successful albums. They seem to have done everything from Alt rock to electronica to Pink Floyd but all anyone really wanted was Slash. Now you look back and Bucket is sounding pretty sexy.

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