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#3821 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
Here's the video of Biden and Palin each talking about Roe v. Wade and other court cases:
#3822 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:So much for bi-partisan efforts eh? When a Republican crosses the line, it's proof that Obama appeals to all people and serves as evidence that the Republican party is broken. But when a Democrat crosses the line, he must be a turncoat mother fucker who must be out for some devious reason.
Spot on post, and totally true.
They disowned Zel Miller & Liberman when they become pro-Iraq and pro-Bush.
Kinda like the Republicans have disowned Hagel for speaking out against the clusterfuck that defines his party's stubbornness: the Iraq War. It goes both ways. Any time someone crosses the aisle to work with the other side they are accused of being traitors. It's part of the problem in this country right now. The fact that McCain has spent years getting ridiculed by the right so much that he's had to pander out the ass to them during this campaign is another example of how everything seems to fall along party lines, not necessarily along the lines of common sense. It sucks and it needs to change, but of course we know it never will.
#3823 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
Speaking of this, McCain is just as bad. He once denounced Falwell's ilk as "agents of intolerance," then turned around after he lost to Bush and begged for their support. And he got it. Falwell endorsed him in 2006 and Hagee endorsed him in 2008. For such a maverick, he sure as shit sold out this year to the worst elements of his party.
#3824 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
Of course there's no excuse for Obama. As I said, he was playing politics and it bit him in the ass 20 years later. But then again, perhaps he never would have gotten much of a start in his political career without that church's help. No excuse to be part of that, none whatsoever.
#3825 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
No, my point here is that he's never actually promoted a racist agenda. He's worked with whites and under whites his entire life. A racist has to believe that his/her race is superior. It's kind of strange for someone who has been discriminated against and is blaming a government that once discriminated against him to then be accused of being racist because he's a conspiracy theorist. Put yourself in his shoes. It'd be pretty fuckin' easy to blame the government for everything if it literally was the damn problem for half of your life. It makes it very easy for someone in that position to fall into nutjob paranoia. That's the bottom line. He's insanely paranoid and just won't let go of the past. It's fucking shameful as hell that he's been spewing such crap to his parishioners though. That's the type of shit he should just keep to himself or at the very least stop using such an influential place as the pulpit to spread his message. Write a damn book or whatever, but stop spewing conspiracies to kids and poisoning their minds.
#3826 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
I don't call footage taken at a racist church he went to for 20 years a smear. I call it a fact.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking all the bullshit that was being spread by conservatives for months before the Wright thing. "Obama's a Muslim. Scary black Muslim...ooohh!!!!"
And let me ask you something. Do you have proof that Wright has ever tried to kill a white person or put them at the back of the bus? Because I'm pretty sure Wright lived through that shit decades ago and has actually helped whites, not tried to hurt them. He blames whites for the problems in the black community. That is irresponsible but I don't see how it's possible for someone who has no history of racism to actually be a fucking racist. The man helped save LBJ's life in the operating room. You do realize this of course? The man is a conspiracy theorist nutjob. Not a racist. Ask Bill Clinton if he thinks Wright is a racist. Ask LBJ if he thinks he's a racist.
Now let me ask you this question. I've seen pictures of you and I know you're in your 30's and white. If you grew up when Wright did and dealt with racism, would you forget it? What's that old saying, "Forgive but never forget"? Well it seems Wright is one of those who not only won't forget but won't forgive either. He's a shitty ass pastor, along the lines of Falwell. Religion should not be politicized, but yet Mr. Wright chose to do that style of preaching for decades.
As for Obama, his affiliation with that church was strictly political in my opinion. He was always viewed as an outsider in the black community due to being half-white and Harvard-educated. He needed to gain credibility in Chicago with the black community, so he joined an activist black church. The irrational fear that he would somehow put whites into slavery or something is pretty laughable when you look at the people who actually surround him. It's mostly white Democrats from the Bill Clinton administration (ahem...not exactly "change we can believe in" eh?). For all intents and purposes as a politician, Obama is no different than a typical white Democrat in his policies.
#3827 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 938 weeks ago
James, stop the whining. The smears she dealt with weren't as bad as what Obama's dealt with. Unless you consider racial and religious smears to be minor shit. LOL.
#3828 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 939 weeks ago
Looks like the stock market responded strong today. Thank goodness.
#3829 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 939 weeks ago
I love Carlin. He's almost not even a comedian because the reason his jokes were so funny is because they were true. He always saw the hypocrisy and absurdity of the world we live in.
Too bad he isn't here to rant during the collapse.
Read his books if you haven't yet. Napalm and Silly Putty is a masterpiece.
bigbri wrote:I made a joke a few weeks ago about how CD was finally going to see the light of day ... during another Great Depression. I'm not laughing now.
You know what else is sad? You know how there's always been those conspiracy sites rambling about end times and they always have these obscure links written by wackos?
Now they use links straight from legitimate news sources. That's how bad things are. People don't have to make up "the sky is falling" rhetoric anymore, because the sky really is falling.
I was thinking about this earlier. Maybe the Mayans with their 2012 prediction actually NAILED the end times. The way things are going right now it would not be shocking to see the entire world deal with a nuclear holocaust in the wake of a global economic collapse followed by wars over resources.
As for Carlin, I actually have Napalm. My sister gave it to me a few years ago. I have only read a few pages of it. I have all his albums. I'll have to get around to reading that book sometime, hopefully before 2012 of course. 
The other amazing thing about Carlin is that he was just the total package. Delivery, vocabulary, great voice, lots of truthful commentary, and even the damn physical comedy was always hilarious. His eyes were AMAZING. The shoulder hunches, etc. LOL. And he was STILL kicking ass just recently before he died. He had that HBO special earlier this year and it was great, one of the best he's ever done I thought. Sucks that he's gone. It's been a shitty year for celeb deaths, but it's looking like they picked a good time to get the fuck out of dodge. The rest of us are in for a bumpy ride. 
#3830 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 939 weeks ago
This movie was apparently released to theaters recently:
You know what else is sad? You know how there's always been those conspiracy sites rambling about end times and they always have these obscure links written by wackos?