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#381 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:Completely disagree with comparing what happened to that man and what happens during war. Even if someone is breaking a curfew they still have rights and cops have no right to assault a man unless he is resisting or a threat and that was assault regardless if he tripped after.
Your other post regarding the media, yep they hold the blame for a lot of the feelings held by citizens. I don't watch much American news, but have been watching cnn and fox recently. My god they spend more time attacking each other than actually giving us the news. It's crazy.
You don't think Iraq planted seeds of distrust? I can say over this side of the pond it had a huge effect on opinions towards the US government.
Tony Blair was fully on board with Iraq, so if UK members solely blame America, they need to do some soul searching. But to answer your question, no. Plenty of Americans believe JFK wasn't killed by Oswald, LBJ and the gulf of tonkin, we didn't land on the moon, Nixon and watergate, Reagan created aids and the crack epidemic, Clinton and his numerous scandals, Bush and Iraq, Obama's numerous scandals (saying he didn't have scandals doesn't make it true) to include what we now know about FBI behavior related to Russia and Clinton, and everything Trump has done, are all icing on the cake and equally important. The reality is the American left wing has become more and more radical, abandoning reason. Republicans have mostly been anti-abortion, but Democrats have continued to march leftward. 10 years ago everyone agreed illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to enter the nation and stay, but somehow that position moved and if you disagree it's racist. Biden passed one of the toughest crime bills in American history, and all the mainstream candidates save Warren and Sanders have substantial records showing their "touch on crime" credentials, to include Klobuchar and Harris. American media is in open revolt against the current occupant of the White House and rushes to put stories forward that push that narrative. Fox News is just as bad, but compared to every other large outlet, it's not even a close comparison. These platforms have a near monopoly on information, and if they're pushing an agenda instead of reporting the facts (front page of yahoo today is trying to blame the riots on White Supremacist), reasonably informed people are going to hold their claims as suspect.
No doubt all those points are valid and I'm sure they contribute, but I think you are downplaying the effect Iraq had. The worlds opinion drastically changed after that imo. It must have had a similar impact on some Americans no?
Agree with the British comment. Just to clarify Ireland is not part of the UK. We are a republic, independent.
#382 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:Completely disagree with comparing what happened to that man and what happens during war. Even if someone is breaking a curfew they still have rights and cops have no right to assault a man unless he is resisting or a threat and that was assault regardless if he tripped after.
Here's where some context matters. I don't have the numbers to prove it, but I believe more and more of our police force is former military. They are conditioned differently and when it's life and death, you ask questions later. I would imagine it's very hard to turn that mentality off. I'm not at all saying it's right, and I'm definitely not excusing what happened in that situation, but I do think it's some of the problem.
Cops get paid next to nothing for risking their lives. The only other place I can think of where that happens is the military.
I believe police training is rather short too? May also be a contributing factor.
#383 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Completely disagree with comparing what happened to that man and what happens during war. Even if someone is breaking a curfew they still have rights and cops have no right to assault a man unless he is resisting or a threat and that was assault regardless if he tripped after.
Your other post regarding the media, yep they hold the blame for a lot of the feelings held by citizens. I don't watch much American news, but have been watching cnn and fox recently. My god they spend more time attacking each other than actually giving us the news. It's crazy.
You don't think Iraq planted seeds of distrust? I can say over this side of the pond it had a huge effect on opinions towards the US government.
#384 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Not on a laptop so this won't be a long post, but what was the straw that broke the camel's back in US politics? The more I think about it (some "friends" were discussing on FB), the more I think it was the Clinton impeachment.
The Iraq war possibly? After the whole wmd fiasco I feel it created division and major trust issues between the citizens and government. I feel attitudes towards America changed in not just American, but the world.
#385 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Twitter is indeed a cesspool and research is advised on any tweet/article (same goes for most online sources) . Fuck I don't even believe half of what's on news channels.
I hope that man sues, that was disgusting. No need to treat people like that unless they are being violent or a threat.
#386 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Update: Thankfully he is alive and currently in hospital.
What's worse is there are hundreds more videos just as bad and worse been put up on twitter. Fucked up.
#387 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Jesus wtf.
https://twitter.com/jpegjoshua/status/1268719321662001164?s=20
#388 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
I know little of him, but those links don't paint a good picture.
The speech was excellent, but tainted after reading that.
#389 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 330 weeks ago
Damn that Sharpton eulogy, dude can give a speech. I won't lie I got emotional a few times during this funeral.
#390 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 330 weeks ago
Wrong thread*
