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#3921 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:Obama's main foreign policy adviser is Brzezinski. I seriously urge all Obama followers to research him if you don't know him. He dates back to Carter, and this guy is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY close to the neocons agenda. His actions and views are in full compliance with Bush Doctrine.
Yeah McCain has a hard on for Iran, but that is less scary than Obama's hard on over NATO expansion. Hell, Brzezinski has advocated Soviet/Russia containment for decades. I read a book in the late 90s about the Iran Hostage Crisis, and this guy made me want to puke. I remember when I first heard about his connections to Obama a year ago, I thought it was either a joke or conspiracy crap. Its actually true. I wonder if McCain's digs at Obama about being the "second Jimmy Carter" have anything to do with that connection.
EDIT: After getting a mini wiki crash course on Brzezinski, he actually dates back long before the Carter administration.
For those who never heard of this guy:
That's really not good news. Obama may be a smart man, but he picks the worst people to have around him.
McCain might be a not so smart man, but he picks some good people to be around him.
Which do you choose? I'd say the not so smart man.
Who exactly is so good that's surrounding McCain?
#3922 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
That is a pretty good article James.
Unfortunately it really shows how the American public is. Obsessed with celebrities.
I'd still love it if Obama elaborated on his plans. Still waiting for that.
If i'm not voting for him, i'm not voting.
He has elaborated on them. The media won't show you a full speech. They'll show you snippets. He's got a lot of crap at his website too. A lot of it I disagree with. His energy policy is pathetic, but then again so is every politician's in Washington including McCain.
#3923 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
Brzesinski is an asshole, but from my understanding he is not the main foreign policy adviser for Obama. He is one of them, but he's not the top dog.
#3924 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:And that's what is comical about Republicans portraying Obama as a scary liberal.
I pretty much agree with this. I don't know if I said it here or at one of the other sites I post at, but Obama is basically just as much a continuation of the status quo as McCain is. Not entirely of course as there are differences, but alot of this really boils down to character, who you trust in the driver's seat, and a few core issues. Those issues have been taken away, so we're on to the character thing and of course a woman is in the mix now.
Both of these guys(and their advisers) are extremely hawkish, and there will be war no matter who wins. They are both a continuation of the Bush Doctrine, which is oh so ironic considering the liberal outrage over Palin supposedly not knowing what the doctrine is.
I have also considered not voting, but I always do.
You are right that Obama does have some hawks surrounding him, but the only public idea he has come out with that was hawkish was bombing terrorist targets in Pakistan. The Republicans quickly jumped on him for it, and a few months later the C.I.A. actually implemented it. I have no problem with us taking out specific targets, but a full-scale war scares the shit out of me. McCain has outright joked about cranking one up with Iran and it's pretty much one of his least moderate positions.
#3925 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:What the fuck? McCain's policies are almost identical to Bush's on some major issues. How is it distracting the public to point this out? Are you better off than you were 8 years ago when the Republicans took over the White House? That is the question Obama is asking the public because around 90% of the time McCain has supported Bush's policies. It is not irrelevant to point that out.
Considering he himself has also voted on a truckload of that garbage, I do think its irrelevant, and McCain will point this out in the debates. Go look at Obama's voting record. Its almost a neo con's wet dream.
I posted links somewhere here linking to Obama and Biden's voting records. They are liberals to the bone, but you might be a bit surprised at what they support.
Obama has pretty much ignored Palin.
Now thats a laugh and you know it.
No offense, but you seem to be connecting the nutjobs on the Internet directly with Obama himself, and I personally think that's a pretty idiotic way of viewing things.
How many times do I have to say alot of these attacks are the fault of the bloggers and left wing sites? Hell, I stated it twice already in this thread.
And that's what is comical about Republicans portraying Obama as a scary liberal. Fact of the matter is he's pretty damn mainstream. These politicians are all in the back pockets of corporations. Corporations don't give a damn about us. Their #1 priority is making money. That's why having competition is a good thing because it forces the assholes to put out a decent product in order to get our money. At any rate, I'm not really a liberal at all so I don't have any problems with Obama voting for certain so-called "right wing" pieces of legislation. However, I do have a problem with McCain's warmongering. I'm 22 years old and to me it's all about survival. Our military is stretched really thin right now and I don't think our volunteer military can take on a war with Iran right now. A draft would be implemented if we enacted McCain's Iran plans. As far as I know Obama isn't warmongering on Iran like McCain, so that is really the only issue I give a damn about because it has the potential to directly affect me. The rest of it, for the most part, won't directly affect me on a daily basis. I'm not even going to bother voting though because I have moved since 2004 and don't feel like re-registering, plus I live in Texas so McCain will win here easily.
#3926 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
Except he's dead fucking wrong about Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. John motherfucking McCain used that same damn comment multiple times during this very campaign when talking about another female candidate. I don't give a damn if Palin recently used lipstick in a joke. Obama wasn't even talking about her for fuck's sake. It's incredibly misleading to say that he was talking about her.
Biden's comments are accurate. Why in God's name is John McCain against equal pay for equal work for women? To me, that is the same as being against equal pay for equal work for blacks. It's discrimination, period. And somehow he's never called out by the media for this. Obama has brought it up. Biden has brought it up. But no one gives a damn about actual issues. Sarah Palin apparently tows the party line on this issue too. It's a disgusting position to hold in today's day and age.
#3927 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:They're voting for her vagina rather than on the issues.
A vote is a vote....
But people aren't tired of the constant distractions from McCain's campaign? Seriously man, the ads he's been running are some of the lamest, non-issue ads I've ever seen.
Obama laid a golden egg of irrelevancy. Issues are off limits. If McCain didn't try and sidestep some issues now, I would question his intelligence. Its all about winning at all costs now, and Obama made it where the issues have nothing to do with anything. Its all about Palin and a Bush third term, and unfortunately for him neither strategy worked. Now he's fucked. His only hope at this point are the debates.
What the fuck? McCain's policies are almost identical to Bush's on some major issues. How is it distracting the public to point this out? Are you better off than you were 8 years ago when the Republicans took over the White House? That is the question Obama is asking the public because around 90% of the time McCain has supported Bush's policies. It is not irrelevant to point that out.
Obama has pretty much ignored Palin. Have you actually watched him on the campaign trail? No offense, but you seem to be connecting the nutjobs on the Internet directly with Obama himself, and I personally think that's a pretty idiotic way of viewing things. Obama himself is not responsible for the focus on Palin. The media and the nutjobs on the Internet are responsible for that. But as time goes on and people realize that the election is actually about McCain and Obama, perhaps the country will start focusing on the actual issues.
#3928 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
By the way James, those Hillary supporters are bitter. They're pissed b/c their candidate lost, but what you have to realize is that THEY don't realize their own damn candidate pissed off over half the Democratic Party during that primary campaign by running a pretty sleazy campaign. Her most ardent supporters are delusional. They're voting for her vagina rather than on the issues.
#3929 Re: The Garden » Obama camp in panic as ‘Xena’ Sarah Palin scythes through support » 941 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:He already told them to stop. They won't listen, just like the right wing sites are STILL calling Obama a Muslim and STILL using blatant racism against him, even after McCain tells them to stop. Extremists are extremists. They will do what they want.
You cant compare the "Obama is muslim" garbage to the destroy Palin strategy. Apples and oranges. Obama needs to speak a bit louder on the issue because they are literally killing him.
Ever been to that Hillary Clinton forum? http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php Its a bunch of women voting for McCain/Palin.
People are tired of this shit.
But people aren't tired of the constant distractions from McCain's campaign? Seriously man, the ads he's been running are some of the lamest, non-issue ads I've ever seen.
#3930 Re: Guns N' Roses » The silence on the eve of RB2 is deafening! » 941 weeks ago
Bright Eyes, I think you're really reaching with that theory.
