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#4041 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:

This is true, but she didn't help matters with her acting, which portrayed the character in too youthful of a manner. Actors can change their tone of voice you know. Ledger is a perfect example of that with TDK. Holmes sounded like a naive little girl in BB rather than a mature woman capable for being an assistant D.A.

You make a good point there. Look at the shrink in The Departed. I found it hard to beleive a chick her age would have that gig so young, but she pulled it off extremely well. And she's in her mid-late 20's. Surprised that girl never acted in anything big since, I thought she was amazing.

Yeah she did a great job in The Departed.

#4042 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:

As for hard to take seriously, it's hard for me to take a person seriously that looks like a 14 year old playing the role of an assistant District Attorney. I didn't buy her in that role at all the entire movie.

If that's your beef with her then you're saying she was mis-cast, which falls on the directors and producers, not her.

This is true, but she didn't help matters with her acting, which portrayed the character in too youthful of a manner. Actors can change their tone of voice you know. Ledger is a perfect example of that with TDK. Holmes sounded like a naive little girl in BB rather than a mature woman capable for being an assistant D.A.

#4043 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

Bono wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:

Bruce isn't interested in bombshells. They are nothing to him but part of his mask in public. Rachel is a smart woman that he's known his entire life. That's why he's interested in her.

Hahaha. No I get that.  I'm just saying he was interested in "Katie Holmes" not "Maggie Gyllenhall" in BB. Just for me I see no apparent reason why she was replaced.  Others see it, I just don't.  But whats' wrong with likeing a smart, intelligent woman who you've known your whole life who happens to be a bombshell? 16 

So fill me in though. Did they just recast her roll or did Katie Holmes not wanna do it?

Katie claims she turned it down but I personally think Nolan didn't ask her to come back after the backlash over her performance in the first movie and with how she marketed it on Letterman's show. She talked about Tom's War of the Worlds movie instead of BB, which is what she was there to promote. It pissed off plenty of Batman fans because she was the only cast member that even appeared on any of the late night TV shows. TDK has a significantly stronger showing this time around with Eckhart, Gyllenhaal, Caine, and Freeman all appearing on late night shows. Bale is appearing on the Today Show, which he also did for Batman Begins (he doesn't like appearing on talk shows). Plus a bunch of the cast is appearing on the View (LMFAO). Eckhart was on the Tonight Show last night and it was great. Very funny interview plus some good comments on Ledger and TDK. Leno called TDK the best movie of the year.

#4044 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

Bono wrote:

meh. I have a  friend who is a  lawyer(pretty damn good really) and she's mid 20's. Katie Holmes looked fine as far as age goes for me. the way she talks is just her. Its' not unprofessional or professional or anything. It's a certain quirk. I think the real issue with Katie Homes is she's still and possibly will always be looked at as Joey Potter from Dawson's Creek. It's like having Mathew Perry in a movie. He's always playing Chandler. It's an association people make and it's hard to get rid of for some actors.  I also think she gains alot of hate because of the whoel Tom Cruise media blitz thing. She was America's little sweetheart before that. Ina  weird twist her relationship wiht him has destroyed her career. 

I just find it hard to believe anyone thought her performance was so bad that TDK is better off with her being left out of TDK. Was she not asked? Did she decline? I dont' know. I do know I hate when movie series use different actors to portray the same character.  Like Star Wars using that little kid for Phantom than using Hayden Christensen for Clones and Sith. Shit like that bugs me. Shoud've just used Hayden from the start and I just think they shoud've stayed with Katie Holmes. Maggie's performance won't add to the movie in my opinion cause it's a bit part. "the love interest" Anyone can do it.   

Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne and Batman for god's sake. He could have anyone so for me it's less believable he's interested in homely Maggie Gyllenhall. Katie Holmes was at least somewhat believable in that sense

Shallow I know:haha:

Bruce isn't interested in bombshells. They are nothing to him but part of his mask in public. Rachel is a smart woman that he's known his entire life. That's why he's interested in her.

#4045 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

Communist China wrote:

I really don't get what it was about Holmes' performance that everyone hated so much. I thought she was fine. And I'm not really a fan of hers, I just thought her portrayal of Rachel Dawes was good enough and took nothing away from the movie. She was better than Bale's Batman-low-voice - that was hard to take seriously.

Here's one thing: talking out of the side of her mouth. That is not acting. It's pretty pathetic coming from a professional. As for hard to take seriously, it's hard for me to take a person seriously that looks like a 14 year old playing the role of an assistant District Attorney. I didn't buy her in that role at all the entire movie. Bale's Batman voice was annoying at times, but when it worked, it REALLY worked and was perfect (the scene where he hangs Flass upside down in the rain and interrogates him is great).

#4046 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 950 weeks ago

supaplex wrote:
Bono wrote:

My only complaint so far is that Maggie Gyllenhall(sp?) has taken over Katie Holmes' character. She may be a better actress but the roll can't be  big enough to make  a difference. It's basically a bit part roll no? I know alot of peole complained about Katie's acting in BB but really it didn't hurt the film one way or another in my opinion. I thought she was fine. PLus she's a lot nicer to look at in my opinion.

actually, i didn't bother seeing batman begins because of katie holmes. stupid reason, i know, but i kind of avoid her movies. when i saw that maggie was in this one i was really happy. and i only saw batman begins a few days ago so i could get some continuity on the story. if it wasn't for heath in this movie i would watch it just because it has maggie in it. big_smile

What did you think of Begins (assuming that you ignore how bad Katie Holmes was)?

#4047 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 951 weeks ago

Fucking awesome new Joker picture:

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#4048 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 951 weeks ago

Swear to God, something fishy is going on at Rotten Tomatoes. The movie doesn't have a single review posted that gives it below an 8.5, and most of them are 9 or 10. Yet it's average rating is 8.3. They posted two reviews today from Hollywood Reporter and Variety, both of which were counted as 100's by Metacritic, and the average rating went DOWN from 8.6 to 8.3. If this was some Oscar-bait movie, its rating would be around a 9.2 right now based on the actual numbers and RT would not jack with the numbers. But they are screwing with it and manipulating it b/c it's a "superhero movie." Total bullshit.

#4049 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 951 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Karma for compiling all those reviews.Not gonna read them though because this is one of those films I want to walk into with a clear head and not have any preconceptions regarding it.

I haven't commented much in this thread yet, but thats pretty much because of the reason I just mentioned. Cant comment on the various reviews/spoilers because I'm not reading them.

I do not blame you one bit. Most of the reviews avoid major spoilers but I've already been spoiled by users at IMDB on the TDK forum there. Warning, do NOT go anywhere near the TDK forum at IMDB.

#4050 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 951 weeks ago

Here's every review so far that I know of:

Positive: 38
Negative: 0

Rolling Stone (3.5 out of 4): http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/mov … ark_knight

AICN #1: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37214

Filmfocus.nl(5 out of 5 stars): http://www.filmfocus.nl/specials/item3.php?id=10309

MovieBlog(8.5 out of 10): http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/06/the … ght-review

AP Press-David Germain: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_ … first_look

KTLA.com: http://blogs.ktla.com/ktlamorningnews/2 … m-sam.html

MTV: http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles … tory.jhtml

Collider.com: http://www.collider.com/entertainment/n … 335/tcid/1

Emmanuellevy.com (Rated A): http://emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=10176

Rope of Silicon: http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/movie/dark … review/655

Comic Book Resources: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page … e&id=17013

Melbourne Herald Sun: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ … 02,00.html

Kevin Smith's Forum (scroll down a ways to the user name "Kevin" in red towards the bottom of the page):

http://viewaskew.com/theboard/viewtopic … start=3700

And a link to Smith's comments if you have a hard time finding it on the forum:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/29/kev … iri-photo/


AICN #2: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37285

IGN(5/5 or 10/10). This one was posted on RT and got pulled a couple days later: http://movies.ign.com/articles/884/884876p1.html

Acidic Insight. WARNING: There is a leaked image of Two-Face at this page: http://sans777.wordpress.com/

Newsarama: http://www.newsarama.com/film/080630-da … eview.html

CHUD #1 (this guy hated Batman Begins, gave it a 6.5/10 and lower than Fantastic Four or Blade Trinity...but he will give TDK an 8 or 8.5 in his full review later on): http://chud.com/articles/articles/15353 … Page1.html

New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/seven/06302008/ne … htm?page=1

The Sun: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sh … 365223.ece

First Showing(full review coming soon): http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/01/ … evolution/

Film School Rejects(Rated A+...looks like they have been asked to pull their review by WB because it's no longer there but it was truly glowing praise): http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/review … knight.php

FearZone.com: http://www.fearzone.com/blog/dark-knight-review

Dromble.com: http://www.dromble.com/movies/?p=17

Slashfilm: http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/01/10- … rk-knight/

Joblo.com(10 out of 10): http://www.joblo.com/review-the-dark-knight

Latino Review(Rated A-): http://www.latinoreview.com/filmreview?id=513

Bloody Disgusting.com(Says it's the best of the year and best superhero movie): http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/blog/entry.php?id=173

Movieweb.com(5 out of 5): http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/81/ … ew5717.php

Comics2Film.com: http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=34331

Freezedriedmovies.com(8.5 out of 10): http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/blog/i … night.html

The Sydney Morning Herald (entire website is crashed at the moment): http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainmen … 06018.html

Horror.com: http://www.horror.com/php/article-2022-1.html

Pink News: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8059.html

Hollywood Reporter: http://snipurl.com/2uak1

CHUD #2: http://chud.com/articles/articles/15382 … Page1.html

Variety #1: http://www.variety.com/VE1117937619.html

Variety #2: http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononho … t-rev.html

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