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#401 Re: The Sunset Strip » Tom Waits suggestions » 890 weeks ago
madagas wrote:any good compilations/best of albums?
No not really. His discography's ten to cover only one era and he's a few eras at this stage. He does have a live album on the way in a couple of weeks though
Yeah, I think there are a couple "best of the early years" or something like that compilations, but it's not like that would have hits or anything you'll have heard. So I'd think you're just as well off getting a proper album.
He has a 3 disc set that came out a few years ago called "Orphans- Bawlers, Brawlers, and Bastards". I think it's great, but I wouldn't think that would be a great place to start necessarily. It's separated so the three discs each encompass the spirit of the title Brawlers-Bluesier/Rockier stuff, Bawlers- ballads/sad stuff, Bastards-Stuff that doesn't fit anywhere. Some of them were new songs, and some were off compilations/unreleased previously recorded.
Some people suggest it, but I almost never think a box set of any sort is a good place to start on a band, they're usually more for the people that are already hardcore, and "Orphans" is another example of that to me.
I'm really looking forward to that live album.
#402 Re: The Sunset Strip » Tom Waits suggestions » 890 weeks ago
Totally agree that Mule Variations is a fantastic place to start. It's absolutely fantastic. I would maybe substitute Small Change after that, but Heart Attack and Vine and Swordfish Trombones are similiar style.
A big thing to remember with Waits is that the older stuff is closer to straight ahead jazz most of the time, whereas the newer stuff gets really experimental. Alice and Blood Money for example are two that if you want to get I would suggest listening to before you pay for them. I like them, but they're pretty different.
#403 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR tour dates in Canada? » 890 weeks ago
I kind of think this is a big F.U. to the label and the Best Buy deal. Anyone else think Axl was pissed off about that whole debacle and went into hiding until he was good and ready to do stuff on his own terms? I mean, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but I'm sure there's a lot of red tape and legal crap that's prevented them from touring until now.
The only part of that that seems right to me is Axl staying in hiding because he was pissed. How dare they make him release the album they paid him millions to work on for 15 years!
I don't think the label would have pushed for the album to come out if there was any kind of legal things preventing them from touring. Touring promotes the album which encourages more sales. Which puts more money in their pockets.
#404 Re: The Garden » the puppy thread » 890 weeks ago
As far as barking, some friends of mine bought one of those barking collars.
A lot of people are probably against using them, but it worked like a charm.
#405 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
^Jovi
jorge76 wrote:^ A lot of that is sort of my point. Creed COULD have the comeback/expansion etc. that Bon Jovi was able to have. If you would have said to somebody(In America, evidently) 10 years ago that Bon Jovi was going to have the recent success they've had they'd have laughed in your face. Similiar to how everybody is reacting right now about how it could never happen with Creed.
I obviously don't know a lot about what Jovi did in the 90's but I'd put Slippery and Jersey in the same cookie cutter 80's category that their 1st albums were. They may be better, but they're no less poppy or indicative of the time they come from.
I hate that I'm kind of defending Creed.
Also, I just googled it. I don't know that I ever heard any of the 4 top ten singles from that album that came out in '95.
Am I the only person here who likes Jovi????? These days is better than Chi DEm. FACT
I don't really mean to be shit talking Jovi as much as I'm coming off as doing. I just think they and Creed are both pop-rock bands without a lot going on. I'm not a Jovi or Creed fan at all, but there are other bands that can fall into the category that I do enjoy.
#406 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
^ A lot of that is sort of my point. Creed COULD have the comeback/expansion etc. that Bon Jovi was able to have. If you would have said to somebody(In America, evidently) 10 years ago that Bon Jovi was going to have the recent success they've had they'd have laughed in your face. Similiar to how everybody is reacting right now about how it could never happen with Creed.
I obviously don't know a lot about what Jovi did in the 90's but I'd put Slippery and Jersey in the same cookie cutter 80's category that their 1st albums were. They may be better, but they're no less poppy or indicative of the time they come from.
I hate that I'm kind of defending Creed.
Also, I just googled it. I don't know that I ever heard any of the 4 top ten singles from that album that came out in '95.
#407 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
In 1995 Bon Jovi had 4 different songs to make the top 10 on the charts.
Seriously? I don't remember that at all. I knew they kept putting out music, but I don't remember anything being popular.
Maybe the entire base to my arguement is completely off then.... How were thier tours selling at that point?
Also, is that worldwide and not in America? I know a lot of other parts of the world were more forgiving than America was to 80's era bands.
Edit: I got off baseline from my original arguement, because all I was really saying is that they're both just pop-rock bands, the fact that Bon Jovi has stayed a pop-rock band for a long time doesn't change that.
#408 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
I agree with CC. Comparing Creed to Bon Jovi is quite ignorant. Bon Jovi is one of the few bands that survived the Grunge scene
They did now. I think the diffrence between what I'm saying and what you guys are saying is that I'm comparing Creed right now to Bon Jovi circa 1994-95.
#409 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
Relevance. Poison still makes all their money off of what they did in the 1980s, while Bon Jovi had hits in the 90s and the 00s, updated themselves fairly regularly, and while Slippery When Wet is still huge they get by on their modern music as well.
Creed is cookie cutter post grunge. Poison is cookie cutter 80s glam. Bon Jovi does not fit cleanly into any category other than rock - they are not glam, they are not hair metal, they are not alternative, they are quite simply rock.
And selling more albums and being able to sell concerts longer does make a difference. Or is there no difference between GNR and LA Guns?
You're saying Creed isn't the same, but my point on them is that they haven't been given time or a chance to prove one way or another that they can't have more hits. Frankly Creed music isn't really any different than the Nickelback stuff that's been dominating radio for some time now. That's not even counting in the nostalgia factor that really hasn't had a chance to develop for them yet.
I know just as many people that are excited that Creed got back together as I do as give a shit about Bon Jovi. If Bon Jovi came to town their tickets would sell better because of the nostalgia factor for the cookie cutter 80's glam stuff.
To an extent your arguement has merit right now because of the country crossover thing I already mentioned. But between 1989 and 2005 it was just as uncool to be into Bon Jovi as it is to be into Creed right now. If Creed keeps making music for the next 20 years they have just as big of a chance to do similiar things.
All that aside though, my point in saying they're all the same was that they're just pop rock bands. Even with the country crossover all Bon Jovi is doing is adjusting to what is pop right now rather than staying the exact same kind of pop that they were. That might have been your point all along, but they're still just a pop act with more guitar. If it was the late 70's that would have been a disco album. Which is what keeps them in the category with those other bands to me.
#410 Re: The Sunset Strip » Creed tickets -just 75 cents- in Birmingham » 890 weeks ago
Bon Jovi is in no way comparable to Poison or Creed. To say so is purely ignorant.
Other than the recent country cross-over thing with Bon Jovi I don't see how they're different at all.
