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#4341 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
AtariLegend wrote:buzzsaw wrote:LIf people downloaded the album, liked it, but didn't want to buy it, the singles would have done better because those people would have still supported the songs they liked.
Discuss.
I think alot of us can agree "Estranged" is one of our favourite songs, it didn't do too well as a single...
You're right. It was released after the grunge era started. I'm not going to go back and look it up, but unless proven otherwise, I'm going to assume that Estranged did better than either single off of CD. I'm not sure what your point is.
People download or buy an album, but don't buy the singles they like from it, because they already have them.
...And by the way, as a single "Estranged" only out performed "Chinese Democracy" in Australia. I'm only aware of "Better" being released as a single in the US.
#4342 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
LIf people downloaded the album, liked it, but didn't want to buy it, the singles would have done better because those people would have still supported the songs they liked.
Discuss.
I think alot of us can agree "Estranged" is one of our favourite songs, it didn't do too well as a single...
#4343 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:Yeah, but to acknowledge that the album was hurt by piracy, is to acknowledge that the album's material was crappy. Of which, I do not agree.
Only in a case where people were turned off by the cruddy material, can piracy hurt an album's sales.
No, I think you have it right. YOU and a few others don't think the material is crappy. Joe Public thinks it sucks.
Alot of people who do buy albums, wouldn't have heard all the positives about this album i.e "There Was A Time", "Better", "Street Of Dreams" ect... they made their decision not to buy it based on the negative PR not because they didn't like the album.
Here in the UK for example, the biggest radio coverage we got around the release time on a major/popular station was "Shackler's Revenge" being played for two minutes before the host cut it off and said "that's enough of that".
#4344 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
Limewire
Kazaa
#4345 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
AtariLegend wrote:James Lofton wrote:Got any statistics proving that? Or is this one of things we are supposed to believe because its GNR?
Go find a real study on this subject and not some article generalizing the fact the industry loses money. We know they lose money. When you do track down the studies showing downloaders do buy music, you wont post the links because it proves my initial point on the subject.
I know not every single downloader buys music. Enough of them do for the industry to survive.
Pop quiz:
Which of these music sites is the most popular?
Limewire
Itunes
Pirate Bay
KazaaIf you guessed the right one, are you surprised the premium service is number one? You and your link failed to point this out because facts don't serve the latest agenda.
You failed to convince me that music piracy isn't real.
Like monkeychow said, people obviously aren't as honest as you.
Even if we go by your logic, downloading an album and listening to it first, to decide whether you want to buy it or not. It doesn't bode well for the artist you don't like. You've heard their material and they're not getting any money.
you don't come under my definition of a fan.
He didn't say that before.
What I saw was the dislike of the music and not buying of the album.
#4346 Re: The Garden » Fantasy Wrestling II » 913 weeks ago
SmackDown! (08-05-09)
#1
R-TRUTH vs. MIKE KNOX
WINNER: Mike Knox
#2
MICHELLE McCOOL vs. GAIL KIM
WINNER: Michelle McCool via pin
#3
JOHN MORRISON vs. CHARLIE HAAS
WINNER: John Morrison via pin (+4 Communist China)
#4
C.M. PUNK vs. EDGE
WINNER: C.M. Punk via countout (+4 James Lofton)
#5
DOLPH ZIGGLER vs. THE GREAT KHALI
WINNER: The Great Khali via dq (+2 Rex)
#6
JEFF HARDY vs. CHRIS JERICHO - If Chris Jericho Wins, He Is Added To The The "World Heavyweight Championship" Match At "Judgement Day"
WINNER: Jeff Hardy via pin (+11 Slashfro)
Rankings:
1. Axl Schwarzenegger 205
2. James Lofton 202
3. AtariLegend 152
4. Slashfro 151
5. Rex 140
6. 2008 Intentions 107
7. BLS-Pride 74
8. Communist China 41
Team Rankings:
1. AtariLegend & James Lofton 354
2. Axl Schwarzenegger & 2008 Intentions 312
3. Rex & Slashfro 291
4. Communist China & BLS-Pride 115
Roster:
RAW
Brie Bella, Festus, Goldust, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jamie Noble, Jillian, Kelly Kelly, Mickie James, Nikki Bella, Rosa Mendes, Santino Marella, Sim Snukal
Inactive/Non-Wrestling:
Hornswoggle (Cruiserweight Champion), Jerry Lawler, Lilian Garcia, Linda McMahon, Michael Cole, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. McMahon, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Shane McMahon, Stephanie McMahon, Vickie Guerrero
ECW
DH Smith, DJ Gabriel, Hurricane Helms, Katie Lea Burchil, Matt Striker, Natalya, Paul Burchill, Tiffany, Tyson Kidd, Zack Ryder
Inactive/Non-Wreslting:
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Jim Ross, Justin Roberts, Ranjin Singh, Theodore Long
Other/Unavailable:
JBL, Jimmy Snuka, Joy Giovanni, Mickey Rourke, Miss Jackie, Molly Holly, Roddy Piper, Stone Cold, Sunny, Tazz, Torrie Wilson, Victoria
Released/Unavailable:
Jobbers/Unavailable
David Floridia, Frankie Sloan
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BLS-Pride: Shawn Michaels, Big Show, Beth Phoenix <JBL>, Vladimir Kozlov, Mark Henry
2008 Intentions: Finlay, Rey Mysterio (Intercontinental Champion), Gail Kim, Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler <R-Truth>
Communist China: Shelton Benjamin, The Miz , John Morrison,
The Brian Kendrick, Primo (WWE Tag Team Champion, World Tag Team Champion)
AtariLegend: Triple H, Montel Vontavious Porter (United States Champion), Batista, Evan Bourne, Umaga
James Lofton: Edge (World Heavyweight Champion), C.M. Punk, Carlito (WWE Tag Team Champion, World Tag Team Champion), Melina (Womens Champion), Tommy Dreamer
Slashfro: Chris Jericho, Jeff Hardy, Kane, Jack Swagger, William Regal
Axl Schwarzenegger: Randy Orton (WWE Champion), Christian (ECW Champion), Matt Hardy, Ted DiBiase Jr., Maryse (Divas Champion)
Rex: John Cena, Undertaker, The Great Khali, Cody Rhodes, Chavo Guerrero
Teams:
AtariLegend & James Lofton: Batista, Carlito (WWE Tag Team Champion, World Tag Team Champion), C.M. Punk, Edge (World Heavyweight Champion), Evan Bourne, Melina (Womens Champion), Montel Vontavious Porter (United States Champion), Tommy Dreamer, Triple H, Umaga
Communist China & BLS-Pride: Big Show, Beth Phoenix <JBL>, John Morrison, Mark Henry, Primo (WWE Tag Team Champion, World Tag Team Champion), Shawn Micheals, Shelton Benjamin (United States Champion), The Brian Kendrick, The Miz, Vladimir Kozlov
Rex & Slashfro:Chavo Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Kane, The Great Khali, Undertaker, William Regal
Axl Schwarzenegger & 2008 Intentions: Christian (ECW Champion), Finlay, Gail Kim, Kofi Kingston, Maryse (Divas Champion), Matt Hardy, Randy Orton (WWE Champion), Rey Mysterio (Intercontinental Champion),
Dolph Ziggler <R-Truth>, Ted DiBiase Jr.
#4347 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
i am. i can be put in both those categories (got the leaks, didn't buy the album). please, why am i not a fan? i am open to discussion if i am a G N' R fan if you bring valid points.
and you didn't say what a G N' R fan is in your view.
I didn't realise that before, but yeah, you don't come under my definition of a fan. You don't like the music and you didn't buy it.
#4348 Re: The Sunset Strip » Do you post on other music forums? » 913 weeks ago
Have accounts, for searching references only at the official "Nine Inch Nails" site, "Velvet Revolver" and a few movie streaming sites.
I only actually post at "MYGNR", "HTGTH" and here.
#4349 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 913 weeks ago
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#4350 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 913 weeks ago
blame the lack of success on 9 songs that a couple hundred geeks downloaded 6 months prior to the release? puh-leaseee
Yawn...
AtariLegend wrote:Most people who downloaded this album aren't "Gn'R" fans, most people who download music, don't go out and buy it.
I don't know why you guys believe otherwise, anyway, fine... I have my view of the world.
please, if you don't mind, i am curious what a true G N' R fan is in your view of the world?
do i have to blindly support an album that i think is sub-par profesionally? an album that screams at me "thrown-together"?
Never said any of those things.
