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#431 Re: 1996 » 1996: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
Luring Slash back
In around July, Axl approached Slash to return to the fold.
"Axl and I have been meeting recently and everythings progressing." (Slash chat, 07/30/96)
"One time [Axl] called me for a private meeting at his favorite Italian restaurant in Brentwood. [...] As far as I can remember, the meeting was basically an attempt to coerce me into accepting the arrangement he and his lawyers were pushing, but in a lot less heavy-handed manner.' (Slash, Autobiography)
"Axl and I are having a very civil relationship as we speak." (Slash chat, 07/30/96)
"There were another couple of meetings like that in Doug Goldstein's office. Then, of course, there were endless meetings with the attorneys going over and over this thing. [...] [Axl] pushed this contract issue on us with so much pressure to the point that Duff and I just gave in." (Slash, Autobiography)
"I really have no idea what's goin on with the next GNR cd. I still haven't played with them yet." (Slash chat, 07/30/96)
"'I've been going to see Axl a little bit to try and get things rolling again,' says McKagan. 'Matt's gonna start coming down, and we'll see how it works out. It's always kind of like that, trying to start.' Note: an insider source says that Axl Rose has apparently done a few practices since this interview. (Hypno Magazine, 1996)
"Axl and I could've done this sooner, if we'd just made a few compromises. But I guess that when bands get so big indecision becomes everything." (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)
"The battles were during the breakup. Our people and my individual legal... basically forced me to go thru the motions...for over 2 years... Which led to the trial period." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/14/08)
"Right now we're in sort of a trial and error period. To me, the group is actually Duff and Matt and Axl. Where I stand is not etched in stone. I can't say it's all working out perfectly." (Slash, Total Guitar, 01/97)
"We signed some document that we'd agree to have put in escrow for a certain amount of time to see if we could work things out. But if we didn't agree to put the terms into effect by certain point, the contract would be null and void, so I signed and let it go."I was forced into a secondary role, while Axl was now offically at the helm if I officially let the escrow contract become effective." (Slash, Autobiography)
It appears Slash was put on a 'trial period' as a contracted employee in the new GNR partnership, and if he'd continue to work with the band beyond that time, the contract would turn into a long-term commitment.
#432 Re: 1996 » 1996: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
Axl's distractions
"I went to Japan for two weeks [in early April] with Nile Rodgers and the original lineup of Chic. (Slash, autobiography)
Around the night Slash began his trip to the Orient, Axl went out to check out Dave Navarro and his post-Jane's Addiction band. Axl had championed Navarro to replace Izzy in GNR some five years earlier.
"[On 04/04/96, Axl] turned up backstage at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert at the LA Forum." (Kerrang, 08/21/99)
"I went to see a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert with Axl... I guess I never noticed that I’d undergone drastic physical changes." (Duff, autobiography)
"'Axl'd cut his hair short and grown a beard', recalled Chilis drummer Chad Smith. 'I didn't recognize him.'" (Kerrang, 08/21/99)
Duff's appearance had equally changed in the past few years, following his sobriety.

Axl, in a photo allegedly from 1996.
Both Slash and Axl also witnessed deaths by those near them at the time.
"[Following] the very last night of the [Chic] tour [04/18/96], [...] [band member Bernard Edwards] was found dead on his [hotel room] couch as a result of severe pneumonia." (Slash, autobiography)
"Axl was distracted by events tragic, potentially tragic and strange. His mother, Sharon Bailey, died in May 1996 at the age of fifty-one. Wildfires nipped at the edges of Axl's Latigo Canyon property the same year." (Rolling Stone, 05/11/00)
In the summer, Slash also worked on a film soundtrack during his GNR downtime.
"When Miramax asked me to do [...] the soundtrack to the Quentin Tarantino-produced film Curdled, [...] I immediately agreed. [...] I put hours into working out the music, which is instrumental, all acoustic, eclectic, and flamenco-influenced. I recorded the instrumental stuff with Jed Leiber, who is a great engineer I know from LA. I flew out to New York, where Nile Rodgers produced the electric versions of a few tracks. Then he and I flew out to Spain to have this major Spanish star, Martha Sanchez, do vocals." (Slash, Autobiography)
"How long did it take to record your part of 'Curdled'?
Slash: One night for the electric version and two nights for the acoustic version." (Slash chat, 10/16/96)
Curdled premiered at the Toronto Film Festival on 09/06/96, featuring some of Slash's work.
Matt and Duff were simultaneously in the studio with Neurotic Outsiders.
"Neurotic Outsiders had an album to make. We went into NRG Studios in North Hollywood, recorded the songs we’d been playing live for the past year, and by the end of the summer of 1996 we were preparing to release our self-titled debut album." (Duff, autobiography)
#433 Re: 1996 » 1996: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
Working with Paul
After the new contract came into effect on 12/31/95, Axl set up shop in the Complex. Apparently, Slash's relationship with the band was at a standstill for some time since the new contract negotiations began in August '95.
"We were in the recording studio next to [Axl] in 1996. They had been renting the studio for over a year (at $3,000 a day) and had not even pressed "RECORD". Axl would drive himself to the studio every night in a pickup truck with a camper shell. [...] Nice guy though, in person very low key." (Fark.com, 01/13/06)
"When the Sex Pistols were rehearsing for their 1996 reunion tour [set to begin on 06/21/96 in Finland], Pistols mainman John Lydon claimed to have heard 'some folky nonsense' emanating from the next room, only to discover it was actually Axl and co hard at work." (Kerrang, 08/21/99)
"Dizzy's got a monstrously cool keyboard set up. Macintoshes and pro-tools and sequencing. Drum beats and loops. They'd sample Matt's drums." (Chris Vrenna, Spin, 07/99)
"I had produced [techno songstress] Poe [album Hello, released in 1995] and there were drum loops in the songs, and Axl wanted that." (Matt, Spin, 07/99)
"They're using some modern technology. Axl's really excited about sampling. He loves the DJ Shadow record and Nine Inch Nails." (Moby, Icon Magazine, 10/97)
"There's a huge closet filled with DAT tapes, but there isn't one final song for the record," notes someone close to the band. "Everybody brings their sketches, but the person who is most concerned with refining things is Axl. But he wants other people to bring a lot to the table too - he loves the fact that Dizzy is down there every night working with him. Axl gets agitated when people don't show up and contribute." (Icon Magazine, 10/97)
"Axl then insisted on hiring Paul Huge, this guy he knew from Indiana who, for whatever reason, also calls himself Paul Tobias. They had history: the two of them co-wrote Back Off Bitch among other songs." (Slash, autobiography)
Axl appeared to have acquired a certifiable 'shadow' band to work on demos. Matt and Dizzy had contributed to the recording of The Real McCoys' sophomore album, and a favor was returned in the host of bassist Krys Baratto and drummer Sid Riggs.
"I was down in a rehearsal studio recording ideas with a couple other guys, a guy named Paul Huge who was in the band for a little while, and basically that's what I did five days a week. Five or six days a week, I was just down there recording ideas. A lot of great songs came out of that. It's all still there. Something will happen with that stuff eventually. That was a very cool creative period and it was great working with Paul." (Dizzy, Rock Journal, 07/11/04)
"You played in a rather bizarre version of Guns n Roses in the mid-90s - Sid Riggs was on drums I believe, who else was involved? Paul Tobias?
KB: Well now, keep in mind Sid and I were recording on demos. Paul was involved. If you talk to him, tell him to call me too. He’s a great guy. As for the recordings, across the mixer were such people as Slash, Zakk, Matt, Duff, Dizzy, and a host of others. We were all a part of putting tracks down on the demos. So, it was never a "version" of the band. It was fun though... The only time I really talked to [Axl] was up at that particular Halloween party at his house. He was never there when I was doing any playing. He told me he liked the bass parts and asked if I was getting paid on time, gotta love that. " (Krys Baratto, Sp1at, 04/15/05)
"Paul and Axl go back to Indiana. He's kind of like the guy that's always there every night. They record all their jams and study them. I remember Paul spent like a month going through thousands of hours, just compiling. He was the guy who was making sure everything got done." (Chris Vrenna, Spin, 07/99)
#434 1999 » Guns N' Roses, Kerrang (08/21/99) » 927 weeks ago
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Guns N' Roses 2-part article
Kerrang! 21st of August, 1999
Part 1 : Where the hell is Axl Rose? by Dave Everley
Last month, a quarter of a million people gathered in a field in upstate New-York to witness Woodstock 99, a celebration of the 30th anniversary of the legendary hippy festival.
The line-up was astonishing : Metallica, Korn, the Offspring, Red hot chili peppers and Rage against the machine were just a handful of the bands who played. However, one band were noticeable by their absence. In April, it was rumoured that Guns N' Roses were to be making their long-awaited come-back at the festival. After an absence of six years, it was suggested that GN'R were returning to preview songs from their equally anticipated new album. And then, in typical Guns fashion, the whole thing fell through.
The rise and fall of Guns N'Roses is one of the most intriguing tales in the history of music. For six years during the late 80s and early 90s, they were the biggest band on the planet. To many, frontman Axl Rose was Guns N' Roses - a flame-haired wild card as enigmatic as he was unpredictable, it was partly his antics that led GN'R to be crowned '˜the most dangerous band in the world'.
And then they disappeared. Or rather, Axl did. While his bandmates were spotted out and about in LA or touring with their respective side-projects, Rose retreated to the solitude of his Malibu mansion. Once the most recognizable rock star on the planet, such was the effectiveness of his vanishing act that only one picture of him has been seen in the past six years.
Latigo Canyon road, a long and winding stretch of grey tarmac that runs through the barren, fire-scorched Malibu hills, leads to the home of Axl Rose. Although it is possible to walk up the road, the huge security gates that stand in front of the singer's residence make it clear that visitors are not welcome.
According to insiders, Axl rarely emerges from his house, and when he does it's only to buy sundries at the beach-side shopping malls in the presence of his matronly housekeeper.
Over the past six years, Rose's public appearances have been few and far between. In April 1996, he turned up backstage at a Red hot chili peppers concert at the LA forum. « He'd cut his hair short and grown a beard », recalled Chilis drummer Chad Smith. « I didn't recognize him. »
Such was his anonymity that when Rose attended a Radiohead show he had to undergo a thorough body search by the venue's doorman. Three months later, in March 1998, he was spotted on the balcony of the Hollywood Palladium, watching Tool.
Sightings by members of the public are more common, though not always as reliable. In December 1997, Axl was reputedly seen at the Universal Film Studios in Los Angeles with a child and a Hispanic woman. Another sighting placed him buying popcorn at a cinema in Century City, Los Angeles, while further sources claim to have seen him as far afield as New-York, apparently sporting black or brown hair that looked suspiciously like a wig.
Indeed, the only public sighting that can be properly verified occurred in February 1998, when he was arrested in Phoenix, Arizona, for disorderly conduct at the local airport. Rose's trial took place exactly one year later. He didn't attend the hearing, and was fined $500 in his absence. A police photo taken at the time of his arrest shows him with short hair and five o'clock shadow. This is the last picture anyone outside of the Guns camp has seen of him.
Details on new GN'R material are equally vague. Those working on the album have been sworn to secrecy about its contents and the working methods surrounding it. What we do know is this : sometime between 1993 and 1997, Axl jettisoned virtually all of the other members of Guns N' Roses. Guitarist Gilby Clarke was the first to go (« the cheques just stopped », he claimed afterwards. « I took that as a hint. »), followed by Slash, Duff Mc Kagan and drummer Matt Sorum.
In their place Axl began working with a series of '˜name' musicians, including former Ozzy Osbourne guitarist Zakk Wylde, Nine Inch Nails drum programmer Chris Vrenna, ex-Pearl Jam drummer Dave Abruzzese and even original gunner Izzy Stradlin'. Between 1994 and 1998 these various line-ups rehearsed at LA recording studio The Complex, where they would work 10-hour shifts running from 9pm to 7am.
By April 1998, the line-up had finally settled down and the band were said to be making their first tentative steps towards actually recording a new album. As well as Axl and long-standing keyboard player Dizzy Reed, GN'R also featured guitarists Paul Huge (a buddy of Axl's from Indiana who played on the Gunners' last recording, their cover of '˜Sympathy for the devil' for the '˜Interview with the vampire' soundtrack, and the man largely blamed for Slash's departure), and former Nine Inch Nails man Robin Finck, ex-Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson and Vandals drummer Josh Freese. Production duties were being handled by Marilyn Manson / Pantera associate Sean Beavan, after Axl had approached '˜Appetite for destruction' producer Mike Clink, Killing Joke bassist Youth and techno guru Moby.
Over the next 12 months, the band apparently recorded 30 songs for the album, continually reworking them. Tracks recorded were said to include '˜Prostitute', '˜Cock-a-roach soup', '˜This I love', '˜Suckerpunched', '˜No love remains', '˜Friend or foe', '˜Zip it', '˜Something always', '˜Hearts get killed' and '˜Closing in on you'. Depending on who you believe, they veered from techno-industrial rock to old-style Guns sleaze. Matt Sorum revealed Axl's love of samples and loops; contrarily, Chris Vrenna stated: « I have a feeling it's gonna be more like Appetite, than anyone is expecting. »
When the Sex Pistols were rehearsing for their 1996 reunion tour, Pistols mainman John Lydon claimed to have heard « some folky nonsense » emanating from the next room, only to discover it was actually Axl and co hard at work. Basket player-turned-rapper Shaquille O'Neal supposedly appears on one track, after befriending Axl while recording in the same studio.
Interestingly, sources even suggested that the album already had a title - possibly '˜Cockroach soup' or, more realistically, '˜2000 intentions'. And then....nothing.
August 1999, and there is still no sign of a new Guns N' Roses album. The band's record company, the Polygram / Universal group, say that they have tentatively scheduled its release for the end of this year, although sources admit that it has been on the schedules several times before and the band have consistently failed to meet deadlines.
Speculation has mounted that Rose has forced the band to re-record the entire album three times, and that the process has already cost more than a million dollars. One certainty is that Robin Finck has left the band and returned to Nine Inch Nails. The guitarist had signed a contract to join GN'R for two years; when it expired earlier this month, he had done nothing other than record guitar parts that have yet to see the light of day.
However, earlier this month, the rumour mill sprang into action once more regarding a '˜new' GN'R song. The closing credits of the Adam Sandler movie '˜Big daddy' features Guns classic '˜Sweet child o'mine'. Halfway through, it segues into what appears to be a completely different version of the same song with Axl's original vocals over the top. The most common theory is that the latter was recorded by the most recent line-up, although no one seems to be able to confirm or deny that fact. Moby has added further fuel to the fire, claiming that there is a completed version of the album and suggesting that Axl should simply release it immediately, regardless of circumstances.
Whether that happens or not is in the hands of Axl Rose. Hidden away in his Latigo Canyon retreat, he's fully aware of the pressure to deliver something truly spectacular - something that will return GN'R to their position as the biggest band on the planet. The last six years have offered only rumour, gossip and hearsay, both about the band and Axl himself. Some of it is feasible, some is downright ludicrous. But separating truth from fiction is only one part of the puzzle. The big question is : what will Axl Rose do next? And at the moment, there's only one man who can answer that....
Insert : the lost boys : the whereabouts of the other original Guns N' Roses members.
Slash : the mop-topped guitarist began work on his second solo album in June, as well of reviewing tapes of GN'R shows for possible inclusion as a live album. Unfortunately, his plans were scuppered when he was arrested last month at an LA studio for allegedly assaulting his ex-girlfriend. He was released on $500,000 bail.
Izzy Stradlin' : Slash's six-string cohort reportedly returned to the Guns camp in 1995 to help Axl write a batch of new songs, which have never seen the light of day. Apparently still in touch with all the other members, he released his second solo album '˜117°' last year.
Duff Mc Kagan : after teaming up with Duran Duran's John Taylor and Sex Pistols guitarist Steve Jones in the Neurotic Outsiders, the bassist returned to his native Seattle in late 1997 to reform his early-80s punk band Ten Minute Warning for a reunion album. His second solo album '˜Beautiful disease', was set for release in December 1998, but he was dropped by his label after upheavals rocked the US music industry and it never came emerged. He is now reported to be recording yet another solo album.
Steven Adler : the drummer has had a patchy career since he was ousted from GN'R ranks in 1990, first playing with LA glam tarts Vain and then attempting to get his own Roadcrew project off the ground. Two years ago, he took out a court case against the band and won a six-figure sum. Last October, he was jailed for 150 days after being found guilty of domestic violence. Ironically, he was the only former Gunner to turn up when the band was awarded a Diamond Award for selling more than 10 million copies of '˜Appetite for destruction' earlier this year.
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Part 2 : Appetite for destruction by Sylvie Simmons
'˜The most dangerous band in the world'. That's what they called Guns N' Roses back in the second half of the 80s, when punk was long gone and metal had disappeared up its own arse in a cloud of hair-spray. And '˜dangerous' is exactly what they were - an unstoppable hurricane of substance-abusing, beer-guzzling Olympian excess.
When W. Axl Rose, Slash, Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin' and Steven Adler first crawled out of the bottle-strewn, bathroom-less Hollywood apartment they shared with each other and any female gullible enough to pay both their rent and dope bills, they gave the self-indulgent music scene a much-needed shot in the arm.
You have to understand how useless rock had become back then. The wave of LA bands who burst into earshot at the start of the 80s - Motley Crüe, Ratt et al - had been a glorious antidote to the overweight, over-paid, corporate rockers of the time. Hungry young men with big hair and attitude who sloshed and rattled when they walked, they made LA the rock capital of the world. But by the mid-80s, as the platinum discs began mounting up on their walls, they too had become sterile - not to mention ludicrous - and in a desperate need of a kick in the cod-piece. Enter Guns N' Roses, the bastard sons of the Sex Pistols and Aerosmith, Hanoi Rocks and the Rolling Stones.
In the five years between their first indie EP and the double whammy of the twin '˜Use your illusion' sets, Guns were bigger than Metallica and Nirvana put together. Record sales? How about 20 million copies of their debut album. Outrage? Controversy followed them like flies on a turd. Arrests? Causing riots at gigs, pissing in aeroplane gangways, beating up security guards, neighbours, girlfriends and wives....take your pick. Sex? Porn stars, strippers, models. Drugs? Where do we start? Suffice to say that Motley Crüe's Nikki Sixx overdosed and was declared clinically dead while partying with GN'R. Even ex-chemicals dustbins Steven Tyler and Joe Perry knew when they were beaten, and in a backstage ceremony handed over their '˜Toxic twins' t-shirts to the young band.
Every day Guns rewrote rock mythology. And every day they teetered on the edge of breaking up. When Axl failed to show for a gig in Arizona, the rest of the band fired him. When GN'R came onstage in Los Angeles to open for the Rolling Stones, fried out of their skulls, Axl fired the others. When drummer Steven Adler became too stoned even for them, they fired him. Izzy got so sick of being stoned he fired himself. And then Axl seemingly went power-crazy and, one by one, got rid of anyone who was left.
I first met them in 1986, just before they released their debut mini-album '˜Live ?!@ like a suicide'. Their then manager, a seasoned old rock pro, had told me about this new band he'd hooked up with. They were brilliant, he enthused, while a tape full of sweet, dirty, adrenalised grease-rock with great tunes and a nasty punk edge screamed out of the nearby speakers.
Even back then, Axl Rose stood apart. He didn't show up for our interview, leaving Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven to tell their tale without him, opting instead to talk to me later on his own. A smart, charismatic guy, he had an incisive take on what rock - and Guns - were all about. He talked like he was already a star, challenging then glam gods Poison to a fight in one breath (« I've told those guys personally that they can lock me in a room with all of them and I'll be the only one who walks out ») and declaring : « The only thing I really want out of this whole thing is a record that stays on the shelves for a while, you know? That gets a place in history. »
Axl was born Bill Bailey in Lafayette, Indiana. He sang in the church choir and taught Sunday school until, figuring God hadn't done much for him, he went to the other side and wound up in jail. The name change came at the age of 17, when he discovered that the man who raised him wasn't his real father and that his real Dad was a trouble-causing delinquent named Rose (the '˜Axl' bit came from one of his early garage bands).
According to Izzy, who had grown with Axl in Indiana, the singer was « a serious lunatic ». The pair had made their way to Hollywood to play in a number of nowhere bands. They dossed at the same places and kept the bottles on the table by signing up for $5-an-hour medical experiments at the local university, on the effects of non-stop smoking.
Slash was born Saul Hudson in Stoke-on-Trent, the son of a British album-sleeve artist and an American costume designer. When his parents broke up, Slash moved to LA. One of his childhood memories is visiting Iggy Pop in a mental hospital with glam legend David Bowie, whom his Mum was dating at the time. Slash was turned on the guitar by his school friend Steven Adler, a Kiss and Aerosmith fanatic. Having both failed auditions to join Poison, Slash and Adler formed their own band. Duff McKagan - who'd hitched down from Seattle where he'd played guitar and piano in punk bands - joined on bass.
The rock scene in LA at that time was hugely incestuous, so it was no surprise that the five like-minded souls would eventually gravitate together. In 1985, a nascent Guns N'Roses - featuring Axl, Izzy and guitarist Tracii Guns - played its first official gig. There were two people in the audience so they decided to head out on the road. They borrowed some equipment and got hold of an old car. The car broke down the first day, so they hitched.
Meanwhile, back home the buzz was growing, and on their return the slum that they called home was mobbed by record company men. Opting to sign to Geffen records, they spent half of their advance on clothes, and the other half on drinks and drugs. By this time, the line-up was solidified. Tracii Guns was out: Slash, Duff and Steven were in. It was around this time that the '˜Most dangerous band in the world' tag was first attached to them. It was easy to see why - GN'R were unpredictable : there hadn't anything this untameable since punk. Guns saying fuck live on TV during an awards ceremony was America's equivalent of the Sex Pistols infamous expletive-laden appearance on '˜the Bill Grundy show'.
When debut album '˜Appetite for destruction' appeared in the summer of 87, the hype had reached staggering proportions. A tour with Iron Maiden was cancelled when Slash was packed off to Hawaii to kick his drug habit, while Axl ended up in intensive care at an LA hospital after attacking a cop. When the press saw the album cover - a controversial Robert Williams painting of a girl being raped by a robot - the hype went into overdrive. Thankfully, the music more than lived up to it - classic tracks like '˜Welcome to the jungle', '˜Paradise city', '˜Mr Brownstone', '˜Sweet child o'mine'.
« It's like if there's nothing to write about, let's talk about Guns' latest antics », Slash once told me in an attempt to explain the media's reaction to the band. « When you actually meet the press face to face, some of them are a little paranoid, like I'm going to smash a bottle in their face or something. Some of them want you to! I haven't been able to figure out the psychology behind that. »
That winter, Guns toured Britain - just five days, but they still managed to get into trouble. On the plane ride over, Slash set fire to a seat with his cigarette; once in the UK, Steven Adler broke his fist in a bar-room brawl. By the time the band returned home to tour with Aerosmith - who were so scared of their support band that they stipulated that all chemical abuse must be confined to GN'R's dressing room - their album was at Number One in the US charts.
The following year, the band returned to the UK to play the Monsters of Rock festival at Castle Donington. Despite a lowly spot, Guns gave it all they had. Tragically, two fans were crushed to death while they played.
The next few months were equally frantic : Izzy was arrested was pissing in the aisle of a plane, Axl fled warrants for his arrest in Australia, and the band pulled out of a New-York AIDS benefit when gay activists protested against the homophobic lyrics of '˜One in a million' from the '˜GNR Lies' mini-LP.
There was tension and conflict within the band too.
« We're just a little more volatile than most bands », said Slash. « We're not willing to just go : '˜okay, whatever you want, we'll do that for you' ».
Minutes before they were due to go onstage, it was not unusual to find at least one member missing and the rest on the verge of killing one of the others. Usually Axl.
The singer, said Slash, was « very sensitive ». Other descriptions were less tactful. He certainly had a hell of a temper - his ex-wife Erin Everly once told a reporter that he beat her when he didn't like the way she tidied his CD collection.
He was also a stickler for control. Take his chemical abuse : he simply refused to become addicted.
« I did heroin for three weeks straight », he told US magazine RIP, « and had ones of the greatest times in my life because I was with a girl I wanted to be with in this beautiful apartment and we just sat there listening to Zeppelin, doing drugs and fucking. I stopped on, like, Saturday, because I had serious business to attend to on Monday. »
At the end of 1989, Guns N' Roses played four shows opening for the Rolling Stones at the enormous LA coliseum. The first show was fraught with incident. After just one song, Axl stopped the show, turned to Slash and berated him for « dancing with Mr Brownstone » - a reference to his side-kick's heroin problem. At the end of their set, Axl announced that this would be his last gig with the band. One album into their career and the world's biggest new rock band were finished.
But the next night it was business as usual. Axl apologized onstage for his outburst, gave a five-minute anti-drugs speech, and the show went on. As did the arrests, lawsuits, marriages, divorces, riots, overdoses, break-ups....
Albums number two and three appeared on the same day in 1991. '˜Use your illusion 1' and '˜....2' - featuring a grand total of 30 songs ranging from Elton John-style ballads to testicle-peeling rock - debuted at Numbers One and Two in the charts. But it came at a price - Adler had been fired (he later sued the band, accusing them of introducing him to heroin) and Izzy, who had cleaned up, quit.
And that was it. A stop-gap covers album entitled '˜the Spaghetti Incident' emerged in 1993, followed 18 months later by their version of the Stones' '˜Sympathy for the devil' (recorded for the soundtrack to '˜Interview with the vampire'), but there has been no more new material.
Last time we looked, there wasn't even a band. Stradlin' s replacement Gilby Clarke had been fired, Adler's replacement Matt Sorum had grown tired of waiting around and rejoined the Cult, and a drug-free Duff had turned his side-projects into full-time bands, as had the ever-loyal Slash. Axl allegedly owned the sole rights to the name and was hiring and firing musicians as the mood took him. At the last count it stood at long-time keyboard player Dizzy Reed, guitarist Paul Huge, ex-Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, former Vandals drummer Josh Freese and - until last month one-time Trent Reznor cohort Robin Finck. A studio has been booked for ever, but no one outside of the Gunners' close circle has heard a note.
« They're living fast - and they'll die young », said one of their early ad campaigns. But they didn't. They simply disappeared. But for a while there, Guns N' Roses were simply untouchable.
#435 1996 » 1996: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
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Working with Paul
Axl's Distractions
Luring Slash Back
Gearing up for Rehearsals
At the Rehearsals
New Direction
Neurotic goes on tour
Slash Leaves
Party's Over
If we do this right, we won't have to make another album for five years! (laughs) But it's not so much like five years to sit on our ass. It's like, five years to figure out what we're gonna say next, you know? (Axl on Use Your Illusion, Kerrang, 04/21/90)
H.R.: How would you react if you received a fax saying that Slash is fired?
Matt: It would be difficult. (Matt, 09/23/96)
#436 Re: 1995 » 1995: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
What's in a Name?
The Geffen Contract, 1992.
Cilck on the

The Resignation Letter, 1995.
"As far as contractually - and this is a discrepancy between myself and our attorneys - apparently Axl owns [the GNR name]. Now I should have known that, because I could have then said: "Okay." I don't give a fuck who owns the name. But I find out later that Axl legally owns it - apparently." (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"I didn't really know what else to do after Axl sent a letter on August 31, 1995, saying that he was leaving the band and taking the name with him under the terms of the new contract. After that we tried to put it back together." (Slash, Autobiography)
"I’d left and formed a new partnership, which was only an effort to salvage Guns not steal it." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/14/08)
"This will serve as notice [that] effective [...] Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. [...] I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." (Slash & Duff v. Axl lawsuit document, 2004)
"The perception I have of what Axl's doing at the moment is that he's basically making a solo album but retaining the GN'R name so that he can get at the major contractual advance that's waiting at Geffen for a new Guns N' Roses-titled record. I can't give you the exact figure but I will tell you it's in the multi-million-dollar range. This renegotiation was effected just before I was fired." (Alan Niven, Icon Magazine, 10/97)
"GN'R began work on a new album of original material, drawing from a Geffen advance thought to be around $10 million - Madonna kind of money." (Rolling Stone, 05/11/00)
"Axl had hired an attorney to push this through, so Duff and I did as well, and the three of them started haggling, having those attorney feasts that do nothing but cost their clients money. Doug Goldstein was also there helping "facilitate" the whole thing." (Slash, Autobiography)
As the contract negotiations dragged on, Slash silently fell out of Guns N' Roses.
"He (Slash) has been 'OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY' outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." (Axl, 10/30/96)
"Slash QUIT Guns N' Roses after his solo projects flopped. Geffen Records President Eddie Rosenblatt literally begged Axl to keep the door open for Slash." (Del James, Mudkiss, 2008)
#437 Re: 1995 » 1995: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
The Annual Rehearsals
"[Slash has] been musically involved with Guns N' Roses [for] a two-week initial period... in the late fall of '95." (Axl, 10/30/96)
"After I'd been paid by the insurance company for the house that had been totaled in the earthquake [on 01/17/94], [Renee and I] shopped for a new one and found it in Beverly Hills on Roxbury Drive.... All that mattered to me was that it had a basement - the perfect place for a recording studio." (Slash, Autobiography)
"[The basement] used to be connected to a fuckin' tunnel from the prohibition era that went all of the way from fuckin' Roxbury Drive to fuckin' Laurel Canyon. The only basements that were in Los Angeles were in that area. They built this tunnel and the basements were speakeasys. You'd walk Beverly Hills to Crescent Heights. The tunnel still exists but it's all blocked up...
Slash built his dream studio in the basement... 'I (had) a Studer (24-track tape deck)... an old Trident (board). It's one of the best studios in L.A." (Slash, KNAC.com, 10/00)
"Then Axl wanted to bring in a guy named Paul Huge.
“You want to bring in your old buddy from Indiana?” Slash said incredulously.
“Look, he’ll just jam with us and maybe it’ll work out,” Axl said.
“No,” both Slash and I said.
“Yes,” said Axl.
This wasn’t some wedding band you could just bring friends into. If I wasn’t going to bend for the sake of one of my best friends -Slash, and his Southern-rock [Snakepit] songs — I sure as hell wasn’t going to let a stranger come in and fuck around with Guns.
“Fine,” Axl said. “How’s this: you guys try him out on your own, give him a few days.”
We let him come in. Gave him a couple of days." (Duff, autobiography)
"We rehearsed with Huge and I tried to write some new songs at my home studio with him and it only grew more tense in every way." (Slash, autobiography)
"It was hopeless... Slash was beyond the heavy nodding, but he was still using heroin. Still, that posed no immediate problem for me." (Duff, autobiography)
"It was so uncomfortable and awkward there that Duff and I actually got into [an argument], which had never happened in the studio ever... The next morning I told [Guns manager Doug Goldstein] to let everyone know that we'd have to rehearse elsewhere because there would be no more getting together at my studio." (Slash, autobiography)
"We told Axl." (Duff, autobiography)
"Axl was disappointed and a bit pissed off. The next time I saw him he confronted me." (Slash, autobiography)
“Fuck you guys,” he said." (Duff, autobiography)
"That was the last time Axl and I spoke for a while." (Slash, Autobiography)
On 08/25/95, Slash's Snakepit played at Monsters of Rock in Donington, UK. For Slash and Gilby, it marked the end of their four-year working relationship through the Illusion tour, The Spaghetti Incident? and Snakepit.
THE REST OF '95
If all goes to plan (and who knows, it could happen!?!), work proper begins on the album, with Axl, Slash and Duff honing the new material. An eventual release date and touring plans are too far away to contemplate as yet! (Appetite for Reconstruction, RAW, 11/94)
Had Izzy came back, this might've been the case.
#438 1997 » Axl Rose Buys "Guns N' Roses" Name (01/30/97) » 927 weeks ago
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Axl Rose Buys "Guns N' Roses" Name
January 30th, 1997
Addicted To Noise Orange County correspondent Mark Brown reports: Guns N' Roses leader Axl Rose has bought the rights to the name "Guns N' Roses," and can put out any music he wants under that moniker, played by anyone he chooses, according to (ex) Guns N' Roses guitarist Slash. If Axl gets the notion--and who's to say he won't?--he can dump the entire band and replace them with Debbie Boone, Vanilla Ice and Meatloaf singing the songs of Dexy's Midnight Runners and STILL call the whole thing Guns N' Roses.
"That's something that happened, Slash said this week from his L.A. home. "I was blindsided by it, more or less a legal faux pas. I don't know what he's gonna do, as far as that goes. But I'd be lying to say I wasn't a little bit peeved at that. It'd be one thing if I quit altogether. But I haven't, and the fact that he can actually go and do that without the consent of the other members of the band ..."
At the moment, Slash is on the road with Slash's Blues Ball and, incredibly, on adult contemporary/new age radio with "Obsession," a song for a movie soundtrack. More on that in a minute.
As usual, though, Guns N' Roses future--and its present--is uncertain. Despite the name and personnel controversy--Axl is reportedly holed up with other musicians writing the next Guns album--Slash insists it's all overblown. "For some strange reason, Guns N' Roses is like the catalyst for controversy, even before we had any kind of record deal," Slash said. "We were always the band in town that everybody liked to make up stories about. It's more of the same, only on a bigger scale.
"Axl and I have just not been able to have a meeting of the minds of such that we can actually work together," Slash admitted. "We've been through this a dozen times. It seems like a big deal now, but to me it's more of the same. I haven't really gone anywhere. I haven't officially quit the band. It's just that we're not seeing eye to eye on where Guns should be going. It's just such a pain in the ass."
His plan, he said, is to wait, "let the smoke clear and maybe we can talk about it later, rather than try and force something unnatural and have everyone go 'We waited around all this time for THIS?' Axl's whole visionary style, as far as his input in Guns N' Roses, is completely different from mine. I just like to play guitar, write a good riff, go out there and play, as opposed to presenting an image."
Meanwhile, Slash's got his own record to make. A second Slash's Snakepit album will be recorded as soon as Slash's home studio is finished. And with "Obsession" from the Curdled soundtrack (executive producer Quentin Tarantino) hitting the number four spot on L.A.'s "The Wave" AC radio station, he's having to get used to rubbing musical elbows with the likes of Kenny G.
"To tell you the truth, I haven't really grasped that whole medium of music where you end up on The Wave," Slash said, explaining that a friend at Miramax sent him some rough cuts of films to look at. He said he came up with a quick instrumental for Curdled, which he described as "a movie about a serial killer, but it's funny at the same time...
"I wrote this song for the movie soundtrack and that was basically it. I don't know exactly how to receive No. 4 in the adult-contemporary charts. Obviously that's a little left-field for me."
But Slash is willing to try just about anything, from recently sitting in with Boz Scaggs to movie scores. "The whole point is I don't have any big statements to make," Slash said. "I just like playing." A friend at Miramax sent him some rough cuts of films to look at, and he came up with a quick instrumental for "Curdled," which Slash describes as "a movie about a serial killer, but it's funny at the same time."
#439 Re: 1995 » 1995: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
JULY AND AUGUST
After a brief holiday, Slash, along with SVO Snakepit cohort Matt Sorum, will regroup with Axl, bassist Duff McKagan, keyboardist Dizzy Read and possibly Paul Huge to begin rehearsals for the next GN'R album(s).
(Appetite for Reconstruction, RAW, 11/94)
After Izzy had come and gone in April, not much was happening in the Guns camp.
"Axl had demonstrated a lot of compassion over the years — and especially in the wake of my pancreatitis. That’s what also drove me crazy. He knew that I’d changed my life around, that I got up early and went to bed early, that I was doing whatever I could to stay alive. And yet, right at this point he made a big switch and became a night person." (Duff, autobiography)
"A frequent visitor to the studio says; 'When Stephanie Seymour's birthday [July 23rd] came around, Axl seemed to shut down for weeks. A lot of this record is about Stephanie: She was his perfect woman, at least his image of what she should be.'" (Rolling Stone, 05/11/00)
On July 14th, Seymour had married businessman Peter Brant, which likely dampened Axl's moods as well.
"I used to go to [Guns'] practice place, me and Matt would play for a while, but no one else used to show up." (Duff, Popular 1, 07/00)
"Matt Sorum called to see whether I’d be interested in playing rhythm guitar for a Monday-night show at the Viper Room with Steve Jones - the original Sex Pistols guitar player - and John Taylor of Duran Duran. It was tempting. Slash was out touring with Snakepit, so there wasn’t anything happening on the Guns front. And shit, Steve was a personal hero of mine. Still, it would be a big step for me because up to this point I had not played a live show sober... and Steve Jones was sober now. Matt Sorum and John Taylor, too, so I would be in good company. I decided to go to a few rehearsals." (Duff, autobiography)
"They were supposed to keep working while I was gone. That's why Matt didn't come on tour with us, because he was supposed to help keep that foundation for them to jam." (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"I stayed at home and I worked a bit with Axl and Duff. I'm sure I took the good decision." (Matt, 1996)
"Well, they only jammed like twice since I was gone, so no one had really been doing anything." (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"One night [Axl] showed up at the rehearsal studio as I was packing up to leave.
'Sorry, man, but I have to go,' I told him.
'What do you mean you have to go?'
'Dude, it’s four a.m., and I’ve been here all fucking night. I’ve got to get home.'
'Fuck that, man!'"
(Duff, autobiography)
Meanwhile, Snakepit still had everything going for it.
"We are going to meet in August after we've toured with Snakepit. Then we'll see what happens." (Slash, Aftonbladet, 04/02/95)
"Everything rolled on: the record sold, the tour was fine; I was on the road with no end in sight... I wanted to keep the tour going [geographically] beyond Japan; I wanted to take it to Australia, I wanted to finish what I set out to do." (Slash, Autobiography)
"When this tour ends, it's a six-month tour, in August, I'll go home and basically, we'll regroup, so to speak. And then, Guns will probably spend a little bit of time in the studio, and then we'll be on the road for a while. We'll be like family for a long time, and when the tour ends, I'm probably just go back do another Snakepit record and do another small club tour. And we'll just sort of play it that way. But of course, nothing is ever that predictable. That's the basic plan." (Slash, 06/05/95)
"We were in the midst of booking another leg when I was informed by Geffen that they'd sold a million copies of It's Five O'Clock Somewhere and had turned a profit so they saw no reason for me to continue the tour... I was to return to L.A. because Axl was ready to begin working on the next Guns N' Roses record... In case I objected, [Geffen] made it clear that the financial support for Snakepit was over." (Slash, Autobiography)
On 07/26, Slash's Snakepit plays the last show of their continuous world tour in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Two days later, on 07/28, Duff and Matt play a benefit show at the LA club Viper Room with Steve Jones of The Sex Pistols and John Taylor of Duran Duran. The group is dubbed Neurotic Outsiders, and the baton of the 'away member' would soon move from Slash to Duff.
"At the time of that Viper Room show, I had been out of the public eye for more than a year... Before I knew it, gig night had arrived and there was a line stretching down the block of Sunset Boulevard in front of the Viper Room." (Duff, autobiography)
On 08/01, Slash's Snakepit throws what could be described as a homecoming show in the Troubadour in Los Angeles.
Suddenly, Guns were all over the town again.
#440 Re: 1995 » 1995: Chinese Whispers » 927 weeks ago
MAY AND JUNE
Slash completes his solo touring schedule.
Del James' official GN'R book, Shattered Illusion, is mooted for release around this time, via Bantam/Doubleday.
(Appetite for Reconstruction, RAW, 11/94)
Sometime in early May, a curious performance was acted out in the fringes of the Guns world. Shattered Illusion never found its way to print, but it certainly came to reflect the experience Zakk Wylde had dealing with Guns management. The most overlooked point in the story is probably the fact that, at the time, Zakk and Guns had the same manager.
Zakk's timing to gauge a response out of Guns for his application could not had been worse. Slash was touring and in the intervening time, Izzy had not only played live with everyone aside Axl, but he'd done demos with Duff, as well.
"This will be Zakk's last day working on Ozzmosis and working for Ozzy. As you all know, Ozzy has given Zakk his freedom so that he can try to pursue his dream gig with Guns N Roses." (The Ozzy Diaries, 05/05/95)
"I said to him one day, 'Zakk, before you hear it from somebody else, I want you to know that I will be auditioning guitarists to do the tour with me, because I guess you're not coming back. So don't be alarmed if you hear about it.'
That night, he called Sharon and said, 'What's the matter, doesn't Ozzy like my playing anymore?'
So I said to him, 'Zakk, are you gonna play with me?'" (Ozzy, 95)
"I said, 'Oz, I don't know the fuck's going on with the Guns guys.'" (Zakk, 99)
"As much as I love Zakk, we haven't made any decision [to have him in Guns]." (Slash, Metal Express, 1995)
"I told Axl, 'Dude, can't be dickin' Ozzy around. You guys gotta let me know what the fuck's goin' on?'" (Zakk, 99)
"I told Axl, 'I'm gonna be touring 'til August with Snakepit. We'll talk about [Zakk] when I get back." (Slash, Metal Express, 1995)
Unfortunately, Doug Goldstein seems unable to explain all this to Zakk himself.
"Finally, Doug Goldstein, Zakk's [and GNR's] manager, called Sharon and said, 'Okay, Zakk's in for the tour - send us the contract.' And I go, 'Yes!'
Soon after that, Doug called my wife and said that Zakk was still negotiating with Axl Rose.
And I thought, 'What the fuck is going on?!' What I gathered was that Zakk was using me as a bargaining chip with Guns N' Roses, and that really got me upset. It wasn't fair because I had always been on the level with Zakk.
So I called him." (Ozzy, 95)
"'Oz, I don't know what the fuck is going on with these guys' and he said, 'Zakk, I gotta get somebody else.' (Zakk, 99)
"'I want to know what you're going to do.' And [Zakk] said, 'Just give me the rest of the day.' But he never called." (Ozzy, 95)
"After that, you know, the Guns thing kinda... nothing, nothing really... it didn't end... nothing." (Zakk, 99)
"The next day, I said to Sharon, 'That's it - he's gone. It's over.' And it wasn't because I was jealous - hey, if he joins Guns N' Roses and makes a million dollars, fine. All I wanted was a straight answer from him-but he didn't show me that respect. (Ozzy, 95)
"But you know, once you get all the f**king lawyers involved and that bullsh*t, you know. I saw Axl not so long ago, and I said 'What the f**k happened?' And Axl goes, 'Well Zakk, I heard you wanted two million up front and your own tour bus.'" (Zakk, MyGNR)
Speaking of lawyers, Axl's legal dispute with Stephanie Seymour finally came to a close around this time.
"A source close to Rose, 33, told Parade that the insurance company representing the rock star agreed to pay $400,000 to supermodel Seymour, 26, to settle the 2-year-old case out of court. "The papers still aren't signed," said our source, "but Axl won't do any talking. He's concentrating on his work." Rose's lawyers told us: "Both parties agreed to dismiss their claims against each other. The litigation has been resolved." But they vehemently denied that there had been a payoff." (Parade Magazine, 05/14/95)



