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#441 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 469 weeks ago
Using the 2001 line up I would have gone with:
Old GNR songs: All leads by Buckethead, Robin on Rhythm. No pitman on these.
New GNR songs: Robin and Bucket can alternate leads as per the album. Pitman ok on this stuff.The weird bit is Axl made this new industrial band then only used it to play the old songs weirdly. Listen to what pitman does on YCBM in 2001 at rio - it destroys the whole song.
It would have made more sense to either move forward for real industrially, or if going to play classic GNR as a new line up - hire people who play blues guitar and are also guitar masters like Slash....eg Doug Aldrich like i was saying. It's just so wierd the way it went down.
They were thinking about Chris Shiflett but he turned down the audition to audition with foo fighters and got that gig.
#442 Re: Guns N' Roses » The worst recordings » 469 weeks ago
I have never understood why people don't like the Rhiad vocals....sing it in the shower...it's kinda awesome...really hard to sing that high so much for me...hahah....In seriousness I like that song though - never get why most people hate it.
But yeah GNR is one of those bands where I like every song on every record. Pretty much the only band like that really for me.
Of course there's things i'd improve - like the studio KOHD could be more like the 1992 live version, the LALD screams could be more like 2002, I'd put a 2006 opening "Do you know where the fuck you are" on Jungle....and I'd drop the drum machines from the CD tracks and use only real drums....
it is kind of dumb Axl used a drum machine on CD songs when he had two of the best drummers in music in Freese and Brain.
#443 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
Personally I thought his guitar chops improved between 2002-2006 as well...but maybe I was just a little more used to his interpretations of the songs.
Matt was right when he thought Robin would make a good rhythm player.
He as ok on the 3 new songs they played, but he just didn't have the skills to be the lead guitarist in a guitar heavy band like GNR on the old material, and replacing an inspirational guitar-hero to many players like Slash.
If they'd replaced Slash with someone more like Doug Aldrich with the chops, stuck to 2 guitars, and maybe toned down pitman's synth so that you could still hear the guitars a little, then I think the new band would have gone over a lot better.
Finck was always better suited for the industiral stuff, that is why he is so great in NIN. If Axl went with his real vision and played less and less and less CD Finck would have shined but Axl kept playing more and more classic GNR stuff and that is the problem.
What Axl should have done, is had BH as the lead, Fortus as the co head and Finck as rythmn.
#444 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
Krissy wrote:Until you prove you have GNR leaks I don't think anyone can trust you. No one can believe you unless you start sharing GNR leaks you "allegedly" claim to possess.
He can be trusted. I certainly trust him over a bunch of random people claiming to have unheard songs but wont mention anything about the songs.
Walker wrote:Well there is one easy way to settle this. Is there a mod or an admin that lives in thr US that can give me a call? You can hear for yourself.
Isn't listening to songs over the phone so 2007?
Haven't seen you in a coon's age. Good to see you here. I remember you at Truth. I should post there more often. That site gets way more criticism than it deserves.
dalethirsty wrote:there's no way you can ever convince me that dj was brought in to write songs for an album. i refuse to believe that.
He wasn't. The moment he joined I said they'd never release any music while he's in the lineup.
He was brought in to help market 'new' GNR to a casual audience....which is what makes up the majority of the audience. Wacky Buckethead exited stage left...normal looking guy enters stage right. Fincky exits stage left...Slash wannabe enters stage right.
It was crystal clear what was going on.
the funniest thing is when we had goth finck and most fans bashed him saying how much he sucks, then in 2006 when he had his rocker looked most of those same people loved him even though his playing did not change lol
#445 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
Well there is one easy way to settle this. Is there a mod or an admin that lives in thr US that can give me a call? You can hear for yourself.
I believe you, you have no reason to lie.
#446 Re: Guns N' Roses » Paul Buckmaster has passed away » 470 weeks ago
Among many other songs, Paul did the orchestral arrangements for Street Of Dreams, There Was A Time, Madagascar and Prostitute. RIP
You're so vain and a space oddessy just to name a few non-gnr songs
#447 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:well shackers revenge is a BH song, its still dumb they took out his solo
maybe, but I absolutely ADORE what BBF did on the song. whenever some melody off ChiDem comes on my mind, it's mostly THAT solo and THAT chorus.
same about Riad - yeah, the original BH solo is wicked, but I sort of think BBF solo fits my liking much more.
@monkey: yup, I agree with you. DJ doesn't deserve the general bashing he is/was always been getting, and BBF was hugely underused and uderrated during his stint.
I will say the only BBF guitar work I like on CD is what he did on SR but I would still rather hear the way BH did it, because it could be better.
#448 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
I forgot about that and am angry again.
I still can't believe Axl thought re-releasing DJ Ashba version of CD was ever a good idea.
Fuck this band.
Im not sure he heard DJ remixes of CD and thought they were good.
BBF,Frank and DJ ruined CD
#449 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
as weird as it is to say, part of me wishes axl pulled the trigger in '99 without buckethead. he took some songs to another level, but he wasn't necessary for axl's vision at the time -- finck was already a good fit. the '99 demos are raw as fuck in the best way possible.
after that album, he could have brought in bucket and brain and wrote the follow up with them.
those 3 could have been a songwriting powerhouse and tackled all sorts of different sounds.
but whatever.
the real shame is that there's unreleased gn'r stuff with bucket on it. i guarantee he's on the general (it's a brain song). the cd remixes have unheard solos from bucket where he duels with bumblefoot (omg, silkworms). he could even be on shit like cuban skies or the early industrial shit like seven and ides of march. i'd love to hear the shackler's revenge with his solo... it was his damn song, after all.
given bucket's health conditions currently, it'd be a nice move of axl to release a song with bucket on it and cut the man some royalties he more than fuckin' deserves.
well shackers revenge is a BH song, its still dumb they took out his solo
#450 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 470 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Robin's little guitar fills were awesome. No reason to lose them.
And Tommy's bass was fucking killer on those leaks, now it's buried under loads of guitar.
The whole saga defies logic but even if they had re-recorded the whole thing in one go in 2006, it would've sounded pretty killer.
Tommy's bass was more prominent in the live mixes as things went on, one reason the Rock Am Ring version of IRS is quite good. It's just a series of missed opportunities that make you want to pull your hair out. And not even because of hindsight bias, all of us grandpas saw that horror show unfolding on the spot.
I just don't understand Axl's thought process on the final mix. He could've sold me a ketchup popsicle in the middle of summer up until that point.
And as much as I love Buckethead, can you imagine Prostitute 1999? It makes me hyperventilate. I bet that sounds like the edge of a serial killer's hot knife.
FUCK FUCK.
yeah I said way back before BH quit that they all should have gone into the studio and after Axl cut and pasted all the ideas together to make the songs to his liking, have the band rerecord the songs so it did not sound so copy and pasted together. it would have flowed much better.
that another reason why I want to hear the earlier versions like from 2001-2002 before Axl started to cut and paste and layer everything on top of the orginal tracks
