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#4581 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
If everything can be explained away, I guess there's really no debating then, is there?
The facts are this: The facts support what has been said. The facts don't support "world government" or whatever. Most of what your saying is ideological and has no facts anyway.
As for the liberal media. I work in it. I know how it goes. I'm in a decision-making position, and it doesn't work they way you think it does. It just doesn't. That is fact. The fact is, the print media (not broadcast) is in terrible shape. We need a good story like this to help sell papers. But guess what? It's not there.
Your "opinion" on bin Laden is not what reality reflects. He gained nothing from 9/11 and lost a lot. No way he was part of any conspiracy. More likely, his people organized it, as the facts support, and carried it out. He is now hiding away in the mountains, running every day. That's not a great reward for being part of the biggest conspiracy ever laid upon the world.
Like I said, this is where I get off this train. When every point can just be explained away by deeper and deeper and more layered conspiracies, it does no good to talk about it. You've got layers upon layers of conspiracies you believe that entangles the whole world. That's just not feasible.
#4582 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
Polluxlm, I don't think we can refute the article because we don't know Italian!
#4583 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
Yeah, there is no proof. What proof is there? One official's claim. The fact is, there are far more facts to support the version of 9/11 that most people believe. There are no "facts" to the contrary.
I've read the links.
#4584 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
^^^This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as questions about this theory^^^ If you can't answer these basic questions, it doesn't add up.
A real key here is answering my question about the "liberal" media. I'll wait.
#4585 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
So, let me get this straight. The CIA can pull off this massive cover-up but can't keep the international intelligence community from learning of it? Doesn't work.
As for the "liberal" media. Do you have any idea what state the journalism industry is in now, and I'm not talking broadcast media, I'm talking print?
And, bin Laden. You don't care what his reason for going along with it would be? It's key to the theory. Did the Taliban go along with it too, since Mullah Omar is hanging out with him? If so, why are the Taliban regaining strength in Afghanistan and making inroads into the established "western" government we supposedly set up? And which video of bin Laden is fake and who "discovered" it as fake? Maybe bin Laden himself faked it, if there is one.
As far as this central asia pipeline. The countries that export oil in that area don't even crack the top 15 as far as producers of oil. Look it up. Sure did go through a lot of trouble to get a little oil.
Besides what is the goal? Western governments in the Mideast or oil? Or is it both? Or do conspiracists not care to be on the same page?
#4586 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
So, a couple quick questions, and let's see some REPUTABLE sources that can answer it.
Why would Bin Laden go along with it?
Why would the "liberal" media cover it up?
Why would the CIA, which you all suggest is behind it, just last week say Iran has abandoened its nuke program if they want to install Western governments in the Mideast? Iraq was the least important target. Afghanistan doesn't matter.
#4587 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
If this was an inside job, it sure as hell backfired. Nothing was accomplished.
Anyhow, this was the most transparent disaster ever. Literally thousands of hours of video, millions of pictures, hundreds of eyewitness, way too big to be an inside job.
Believe me, I hate Bush and the US govt. right now, but come on. Those who believe it's an inside job are just grasping at straws. There's way, way more evidence that it happened just as it has been said, not how conspiracists believe it.
This is the absurd thread of the year. I really expect more from some of you, in this thread and the other 9/11 thread.
There's more to gain for enemies of the US to perpetuate this conspiracy. That's what's happening. And some of us are more than willing to eat it up. Silly.
#4588 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago
Also, I'd like to say, it's nice to debate these things nicely. At the Buckethead forum I post at, these talks always end up with people calling each other names. The most recent was "dickless mother fucker." Or, someone deletes their account and never comes back. Saul also had to ban someone because he got so worked up.
#4589 Re: The Garden » Steelers' DB GUARANTEES Upset of New England » 917 weeks ago
Yeah, this is great. They lost to the Jets and beat the Dolphins at home on a last-second field goal. I'll bet the Patriots squash them.
#4590 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 917 weeks ago
Big Bri, your assertion that using a gun in defense in your home is likely going to get yourself injured. Dr John Lott showed that the mere brandishing of a firearm makes the attacker flee 99% of the time. The statistic you are incorrectly quoting is that an individual with a gun in the house is much more likely to experience an accident - well duh. Being responsible would mean teaching your children about the safety of firearms and securing it so young children couldn't gain access. The NRA offers the Eddie Eagle program that doesn't advocate guns, simply to notify an adult and not to touch it. Training like that should be offered in all schools and homes.
First, you're assuming the intruder in your house doesn't have a gun also. If he does, then he's shooting you or there's a shootout.
Like I said about securing a gun. How does that help if someone walks into my house and I don't have my gun nearby, but it's locked away in my closet?