misterID wrote:

mitchejw wrote:

I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.

From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.

From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.

My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.

I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa)  seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.

I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...

He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.

There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.

I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.

He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'

I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.

He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.

I still love SG saying Bush 43 got a raw deal. No, his daddy had the raw deal. He followed Saint Reagan's heavy borrowing, unregulated bull economy collapse and he got the blame. W. followed Clinton's economy and an entitlement surplus that he fucking robbed. W. was a dolt. But he was FDR compared to the turd we have now. And I will always give W credit for FINALLY standing up to Cheney over Scooter.

Bush Sr. was a good president.
Bush W. got a raw deal with 911 and the housing crisis... Obama got a bad hand with a shit economy with nowhere to go but up. Had Bush W come in 1992 he would have been a much better pres. Iraq ruined W.

And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria.  Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action.

I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election.

If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43

slcpunk wrote:

It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.

Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.

What patriotic American would ever support this shit?

Except this isn't true. They didn't turn our election into a banana republic. Clinton was a horrible candidate and lost because people like you are content to just smugly dismiss other people. They didn't hack the power grid. They hacked a computer at a power plant with no access to production.

But the GOP told you Russia was a threat and you and Obama yucked it up, claiming the Russian threat wasn't real, but a man becoming a woman was real enough to ruin lives over not playing along.

Why aren't you upset Obama has been a fucking clown that has worsened our international standing?  Why aren't you upset that Obama was on vacation in Hawaii or entertaining Jay Z while all this occurred. You were rabid at Bush for 9/11, calling him anything but a white man. But have remained silent on Obama's failure to control isis, Syria, China or Russsia. You backed an inexperienced child who lacked a single achievement and made our country worse for it. No amount of spin can alter the fact that less people are working, more are on welfare and the country is more divided than before he took office.

And your fucking response is to not only exaggerate what did happen, but put all blame on the guy who hasn't even been sworn in yet. You're why Trump won. You're why Obama has been allowed to behave more like a dictator than a president. And Obama is why Russia can fuck with our country with impunity. Hold your beliefs and the people you voted for accountable for their failures.  Don't manufacture failures for someone not even in office yet. If Trump has a state dinner for Putin and let's him fuck his wife, then you can talk.

johndivney wrote:

Barry expelling 35 Russians & ordering sanctions.
+ UN/Israel resolution.
He's having a good week.

He grows a spine in the final 3 weeks of presidency.  Good for him... lol