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#4651 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

I've been reading some about what's been going on in North Carolina...

I have to come to realization that this is the new world we live in...there is little to no common ground anymore. The hatred between Republicans and Democrats is deep.

I guess my question is...how can Republicans tell Dems to stfu at the federal level but do shit like this at the state level.

Republicans are brazenly and unapologetically just changing the rules all over the place to ensure victory at all costs. From friendships with Putin and Russia to stripping a democratic governor of many of his powers is just our right ruthless. There is no holds bared anymore. There are no rules.

I cannot, with a clean conscious, cozy up to these types of tactics. Maybe they've always been around...I don't know...but to pretend anything about this is Christian, or moral in any religion, is outright delusional.

Furthermore, to pretend this country we live in is a Democracy is ludicrous. I am really disenchanted by the tactics taken by Republicans at the state level in Kansas, Wisconsin, Michigan, and now North Carolina. This game is so rigged.

Once Trump won, all the sudden there was nothing to question about the system anymore. He banged his drum and whined and pissed and moaned about the unfairness to him. Then, when he won....he did a complete 180.

Scarier, maybe I have to admit that this is a great reflection of the American people. We don't truly believe in anything, we truly don't stand for anything except for business interests that keep our standard of living as high as possible. Everything else can fall to the wayside. Ethics, morality, and doing the right thing turns into a high school he said, she said popularity contest.

If you would allow me, I would like to share some of the experiences I have had in business over the last two years.

My first business, I had a business partner who turned out to be a closet homosexual. While this is oversimplifying things a bit, in 2012 I was faced with an ultimatum. If we wanted our overwhelmingly successful business partnership to continue, I was going to have to consider being involved in a homosexual, highly controlling relationship with a deeply troubled (more than I ever knew) gay man. The choice was obvious to me, I needed out. And I watched our business slowly burn over the period of about 15 months. At the time, our business was grossing round $2-2.5 million per year.

I ventured out on my own after that...and something just as disgusting occurred in the summer of 2015. As I was just reaching something comparable with my new business, my right hand man (woman) in this case was engaging what I know now to be 11 alleged counts of fraud under my business name. We begin litigation early next year. This includes but is not limited to, creating her own LLC, slowly but surely transferring assets to said LLC, creating a new/fake TIN/EIN, double billing insurance companies...and this list goes on. She funded European vacations for her family members.

This has been my experience in business to date. Absolutely ruthless, selfish, entitled behavior with absolutely no remorse for anyone and no concern for anything but one's self interest.

I wanted to believe that these were great anomalies, and I was just young and stupid and not really sure how to protect myself. I feel like with Trump's business practices, that this in commonplace in this country. People fuck each other over without batting an eyelash. Those are the winners in this country. We treat them like heroes, giving no thought to the carnage left behind by these predator practices. 

These experiences and the people we hold up on pedestals on this country make me feel extremely alienated. I do not want to believe that this is what America is...maybe I'm the fool for holding out hope this long in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary.

#4652 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

You don't think the DOW and $ have anything to do with Trump.  It's just a coincidence they jumped after he was elected?  What the fuck has Obama done for business?  He's done nothing but create more red tape the past 8 years.

You're right...everything good that's ever happened over the last 8 years couldn't possibly account for what Trump has done in his 0 days in office.


I don't think you know how the stock market and financial systems work.  So to flip it, what has Obama done that has led to these increases that occurred the day after Trump was elected.  Who do you think is a better President for business and the stock market?  The answer is self evident.

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'business.' If you mean, reckless, deregulated, unethical, immoral financial philosophies....then you're right...Trump will be great for the stock market.

But responsible? Responsible and accountable are two things he's never been good at...

I don't care about the stock market anyway....it's like going to the casino...it doesn't make any sense....you want to talk about emotional behavior....the stock market is where it's all at...

#4653 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

Now the FBI joins the CIA in support of their allegations...

Now conservatives have to disparage another agency that disagrees with their narrative.

#4654 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I still fail to see how in 3 months time because the economy is great it's entirely all Trump (not the President who REBOUNDED the economy the past 8 years after the terrible disaster that was our last President) all the while knowing in 4 years the economy could very well be in the toilet again?!!


Definitely pre-emptive thinking. Let's calm down a bit, shall we.


You don't think the DOW and $ have anything to do with Trump.  It's just a coincidence they jumped after he was elected?  What the fuck has Obama done for business?  He's done nothing but create more red tape the past 8 years.

You're right...everything good that's ever happened over the last 8 years couldn't possibly account for what Trump has done in his 0 days in office.

#4655 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I still fail to see how in 3 months time because the economy is great it's entirely all Trump (not the President who REBOUNDED the economy the past 8 years after the terrible disaster that was our last President) all the while knowing in 4 years the economy could very well be in the toilet again?!!


Definitely pre-emptive thinking. Let's calm down a bit, shall we.

Rf is in total 'everything must fit my narrative' mode.

Obama will never receive any credit for anything by people like that. It's mid-December and he's already comparing Trump to Kennedy. It's gross...his mind is made up...and it won't matter what Trump does, he's already seeing him as the orange god.

#4656 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

According to the Chicago Trubune, apparently he's asking his crowds to cheer African Americans who don't vote.

Fuck this guy...and everything he does....his victory lap around the country...which is already unprecedented...feels like he's waving it In The face of dems and the 2.8 million more voters who didn't vote for him.

How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to his BS.

#4657 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

I think most people are upset by the reality Russia was trying to influence our election.  But the disagreement is to what extent it impacted the election.  Most of Hillary's emails were already out long before the wikileaks stuff due to the FOIA requests related to Hillary's server.  The Podesta emails are certainly attributable to hackers, but it wasn't some grand hack like Sony or Target.  Podesta fell victim to a basic phishing scam.  This isn't on the level of a a government sponsored hack.  Don't forget that Powell's emails were leaked too and weren't a glowing recommendation of Trump.

What I think you want, is for Trump to decline the office and put Hillary in, pretending that all of the TRUTH revealed around her and the DNC was wiped from our citizens memory. 

I'm sure you have no problem with the Access Hollywood video being leaked and I remember you being okay with Carter's grandson leaking Romney's "47%" comments in 2012. 

None of this has anything to do with Hillary not stepping foot in Wisconsin or paying tribute to the Auto Industry in Michigan, who were obviously influenced by Trump's attacks on Ford and other manufacturing jobs.  He won by 36 electoral votes.  Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania alone didn't hand him the presidency.

Trump is officially going to be the victor Monday despite desperate pleas from Democrats who just weeks ago were bashing the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College.  Again, position and tolerance is based solely on how it affects the party and their chosen candidate.

I, for one, just want Trump to show one moment of decorum. If he won because of Russia's influence...and now denies to our faces that it wasn't them...even after he encouraged Russian hacking in public...I just want this man to president and not always be in favor of anything that benefits him and disparage anyone who opposes.

He's putting together an extremely white cabinet. He's unapologetic about anything. He says one thing and does the exact opposite.

I don't like being fucked with like this....

#4658 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

I'm perfectly fine with that as long as you do the same goddamn thing to everyone who voted for Obama.

At least the most idiotic Trump voter knew of a reason why they were voting for him. There were a ton of Obama voters who were asked to name one thing he was going to change and they couldn't name ONE thing....yet voted for him anyway.

Now THAT is truly a "fucking stupid" person right there who doesn't need to be anywhere near a voter registration card.

Where did this happen? I'm not aware of this...except to the extent that I'm sure there were plenty of housewives who voted for Romney and McCain because their husbands told them to. That's equally stupid.

Let's talk about those so called "reasons" to vote for Trump. They say shit like they think he's smart because only smart people have money. It asinine. These are the same people who perceive Hillary as a crook and Trump a hero for doing very similarly shady ass shit.

I call bull on the claim that people "know" why they voted for Trump.

I love all the "the jobs aren't coming back" stuff. It always depends on which side is claiming it. When it was Obama preaching it, they were coming back! Now they are not. In four to eight years, the people saying they aren't coming back will all of a sudden have a change of heart.

I never did...no politician should ever make that promise unless he wants to reduce taxes to 0 for the ultra rich.

Because honesty has no place in politics. Voters like you ensure that will continue. You've admitted you want the next four years to achieve nothing and just keep the partisan attacks rolling for four straight years so why on earth would you even ask for honesty?!?

I don't mean honesty as in, I'm here to fuck you over bc I'm a politican. I mean honesty in that...what Bernie says is truthful although not always eloquent. What he talks about are paths to success...I don't see Trump talking about that...he's talking about helping people who have already made it.

And I don't want to hear about trickledown economics...

I do agree with RF...he said something about trades jobs and degrees being in very high demand with few takers. I also agree that the purpose of a college education isn't necessarily to obtain a job. It's to hopefully learn how to critically think about the world and hopefully make better decisions and choices in life. The value of that surely is at least equal to a good job.

#4659 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Here are a few far left liberal ideas that are stupid...

The anti-vaccination people
Hippies
Communism

How's that war on drugs going?
I think the Clintons are pretty conservative....
I can't really think of one liberal idea that has been implemented other than Obamacare in my life lifetime.

I think the war on drugs has been a huge mistake. There's very little you're going to see me defend about Nixon.

That being said, heroin and opioid addiction kills more people annually than firearm fatalities, yet doesn't get nearly the attention gun deaths receive. Serious reform is needed to halt the over prescription of pain killers. Trump's border enforcement will also help end the influx of heroin, which almost exclusively enters the country via Mexico. The federal government considering pot on the same level as Heroin is truly stupid. I'm hoping Trump keeps Sessions from being stupid on this.

I can name several progressive policies rammed down our throats. The Dream Act for one. Admitting Transgendered people into the military (I couldn't send soldiers with sleep apnea to Iraq because I couldn't guarantee access to electricity for their machines 100% of the time. I couldn't deploy Soldiers who were on anti depression medication as it makes them unstable and access to medication isn't guaranteed. The hormones and treatment transgendered people need aren't going to be readily available in a war zone, so they're dead weight from the start). Removal of work requirements to receive welfare. 

Stupid shit the GOP has done:

Voting repeatedly to appeal Obamacare knowing Obama would veto even if it miraculously made it through the Senate.

Refusing to budge at all and work with Obama, embarrassing Boehner and resulting in his resignation.

Obsession with abortion and planned parenthood. The crime rate drop in the early 90s coincidentally also aligns with Roe V Wade and the millions on adolescents who would have been born to poor single mothers. I don't think it was a coincidence.

The thirst for blood in Iraq and Afghanistan, but a complete 180 on any current threat.

This was bipartisan, but passing a law to let people sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

Their obsession with gay marriage and championing people like Kim Davis, meanwhile half of them are on their 2nd or 3rd wife with lots of intern action.

I don't think the dream act ever passed....Planned Parenthood is a great institution. If they could get rid of their stances on gay marriage and birth control....they would be much more appealing to me. Also, all that stupid shit about bathrooms....ugh....

I've never taken an opioid so I feel it difficult to comment on that...except to say that controlled substances are quite often uncontrolled.

I wonder....do we spend more on prisons in this country than we do on education?

#4660 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 509 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

A pivot to the default position: Attacking silence. Dude you're turning into a one trick pony! SAD!

In the meantime you didn't address one bit of the GOP hypocrisy on this segment. Neither did SG. Lofton says he's OK with government involvement in the free market because he's not a typical conservative. But if I cared to use the search feature, I'd bet my Obama phone that he was calling Barack a socialist back in the day...just a hunch. 

I don't have to attack silence. I just have address what you guys are actually saying or have said (amazingly the same as Rush, Hannity and any garden variety dope over at Fox)

Obama bailout of auto sector = Socialism

Trump saving 700 jobs via crony capitalism at tax payers expense = STRONG LEADER!!!


Sorry SLC. You don't get to remain silent when your party does something wrong, bitch loudly when the Republicans do something, and then claim "you don't know what I think because I selectively remain mum when it's my party." 

That shit may work in a court room, but what you choose to pay lip service to is indicative of what you find important. Not a single post from you condemning Obama or Clinton, but countless against the GOP. You don't get to claim silent objectivity. No one is buying this cheap excuse.

Here are a few far left liberal ideas that are stupid...

The anti-vaccination people
Hippies
Communism

How's that war on drugs going?
I think the Clintons are pretty conservative....
I can't really think of one liberal idea that has been implemented other than Obamacare in my life lifetime.

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