mitchejw wrote:

misterID wrote:

It's funny you mention this because I watched that town hall with Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders and it is painfully clear democrats do not have a message for these voters. For how good Bernie can be at a rally, he's awful at a town hall. When he's pushed back on something he clearly gets irritated and ticked off. He kept on about the disparity in wealth, which is great, but that's all he had. He didn't have a simple message. I think that's Trump's appeal. He's a very simple speaker. When he's pressed on details he turns into a used car salesman. He's talented that way. When Bernie is pressed, he does state facts, even if diminishing the real price for his plans, he is honest that the economy will slow, taxes will go up, and unemployment wil rise. His thing is, just stick with him and it will all work out. Trump says he's going to create all this great stuff and it will be completely painless and won't cost anyone anything. Basically, he's a terrible, but very charismatic liar.

Bernie himself said so a month ago...he's embarrassed that the DP has forgotten how to talk to these people.

It still begs the question...why does it matter way more to be charismatic than it does to be honest?

Telling people he can get free college for everyone and raise the minimum wage to $15 without harming the economy and standard of living for millions doesn't count as being honest in my opinion.

PaSnow wrote:

Smoking Guns wrote:

Just watched the Trump speech. It is so obvious how he won. So much charisma. Dude owns that kind of shit. You can see how fired up the people get when he talks. And Paul Ryan even came in stage. Good stuff.

I watched it too, just in a passive way (felt sick, couldn't concentrate on anything), wasn't rooting against it or in a Rachel Maddow mindset. 

That said, it was a trash talking show. Just bizarre that he goes on some victory lap to assauge his own ego?! Unprecendented. The guy really could be an egomaniac.  Having said that, he does appeal to alot of people. Mostly, he gives hope to the down & outs.  The people who live in rural areas, hunt, watch Nascar, drink $1.50 beers at the local down & out bar waiting for their turn to die, shopping at Walmart, yet are told "The great jobs are coming back" lol. It's amusing, partially sad.

Lemme recap:

Taxes will be cut.
Our Military will be incredibly built up.
ISIS will be defeated.
Great jobs will come back.
Taxes will be raised on products built overseas (yet at the same time the cost of products/inflation will not increase) so people will buy American.
Obamacare will be replaced with something even better.
A wall will be built.
Jobs will come to our inner cities.
Merry Christmas.

My prediction: he doesn't move the country much on social issues (gay marraige, abortion), but heavily goes Republican on tax cuts for the rich. It's what the Republicans needed at the right time, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Oh PS. there are no factory jobs coming back.

It's funny you mention this because I watched that town hall with Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders and it is painfully clear democrats do not have a message for these voters. For how good Bernie can be at a rally, he's awful at a town hall. When he's pushed back on something he clearly gets irritated and ticked off. He kept on about the disparity in wealth, which is great, but that's all he had. He didn't have a simple message. I think that's Trump's appeal. He's a very simple speaker. When he's pressed on details he turns into a used car salesman. He's talented that way. When Bernie is pressed, he does state facts, even if diminishing the real price for his plans, he is honest that the economy will slow, taxes will go up, and unemployment wil rise. His thing is, just stick with him and it will all work out. Trump says he's going to create all this great stuff and it will be completely painless and won't cost anyone anything. Basically, he's a terrible, but very charismatic liar.

polluxlm wrote:

Trump would be a fool to think any move he makes will appease his opponents. They're turning every stone, looking in every closet for a drop of blood.

His best option is to prove his worth by acts and deeds. People come around easier when they see real fruits on the table. Jobs, income, freedom's. That's his promise and that's what he needs to do to turn around the naysayers.

You're absolutely right. You need to look no further than this thread to see that people want blood and are actively hoping he's a failure. So much for all their critiques of the GOP and Obama.

If the GOP stays united, we'll be fine. If they behave like the Dems did between 08-10 (something posters here and elsewhere refuse to acknowledge), we're in for some hard times. At least these loonies take pride in being unarmed, so not much damage they can do that CS and water canons can't solve.