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#4701 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:
misterID wrote:

Jill Stein is leading the recount in all the swing states and she's just about raised the money to do it. Here's a great idea, how about she not run a race she can't possibly win and only serve to take votes away from the democrat in the first place?

I'm really not a conspiracy but, but if Russia was behind the Clinton/DNC email hacks, behind wikileaks, and behind all the fake news Trump supporters were spreading (some of that lazy, sack of shit news even made it into this thread) I wouldn't be surprised they hacked voter programs. They really wanted Trump president.

Like Mitch, I almost don't have the energy to care.

Did you read this article by the Washington Post? This only verifies our concerns, and to me it is terrifying. Another country worked tirelessly to impact our election, and it worked.

Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election

The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on “fake news,” as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem.

There is no way to know whether the Russian campaign proved decisive in electing Trump, but researchers portray it as part of a broadly effective strategy of sowing distrust in U.S. democracy and its leaders. The tactics included penetrating the computers of election officials in several states and releasing troves of hacked emails that embarrassed Clinton in the final months of her campaign.

“They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” said Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who along with two other researchers has tracked Russian propaganda since 2014. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”

Watts’s report on this work, with colleagues Andrew Weisburd and J.M. Berger, appeared on the national security online magazine War on the Rocks this month under the headline “Trolling for Trump: How Russia Is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy.” Another group, called PropOrNot, a nonpartisan collection of researchers with foreign policy, military and technology backgrounds, planned to release its own findings Friday showing the startling reach and effectiveness of Russian propaganda campaigns.

The researchers used Internet analytics tools to trace the origins of particular tweets and mapped the connections among social-media accounts that consistently delivered synchronized messages. Identifying website codes sometimes revealed common ownership. In other cases, exact phrases or sentences were echoed by sites and social-media accounts in rapid succession, signaling membership in connected networks controlled by a single entity.

PropOrNot’s monitoring report, which was provided to The Washington Post in advance of its public release, identifies more than 200 websites as routine peddlers of Russian propaganda during the election season, with combined audiences of at least 15 million Americans. On Facebook, PropOrNot estimates that stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign were viewed more than 213 million times.

Some players in this online echo chamber were knowingly part of the propaganda campaign, the researchers concluded, while others were “useful idiots” — a term born of the Cold War to describe people or institutions that unknowingly assisted Soviet Union propaganda efforts.

The Russian campaign during this election season, researchers from both groups say, worked by harnessing the online world’s fascination with “buzzy” content that is surprising and emotionally potent, and tracks with popular conspiracy theories about how secret forces dictate world events.

Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say. On other occasions, RT, Sputnik and other Russian sites used social-media accounts to amplify misleading stories already circulating online, causing news algorithms to identify them as “trending” topics that sometimes prompted coverage from mainstream American news organizations.

The speed and coordination of these efforts allowed Russian-backed phony news to outcompete traditional news organizations for audience. Some of the first and most alarming tweets after Clinton fell ill at a Sept. 11 memorial event in New York, for example, came from Russian botnets and trolls, researchers found. (She was treated for pneumonia and returned to the campaign trail a few days later.)

This followed a spate of other misleading stories in August about Clinton’s supposedly troubled health. The Daily Beast debunked a particularly widely read piece in an article that reached 1,700 Facebook accounts and was read online more than 30,000 times. But the PropOrNot researchers found that the version supported by Russian propaganda reached 90,000 Facebook accounts and was read more than 8 million times. The researchers said the true Daily Beast story was like “shouting into a hurricane” of false stories supported by the Russians.

This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories — fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia — to Russian propaganda efforts.

“The way that this propaganda apparatus supported Trump was equivalent to some massive amount of a media buy,” said the executive director of PropOrNot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers. “It was like Russia was running a super PAC for Trump’s campaign. . . . It worked.”

He and other researchers expressed concern that the U.S. government has few tools for detecting or combating foreign propaganda. They expressed hope that their research detailing the power of Russian propaganda would spur official action.

A former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael A. McFaul, said he was struck by the overt support that Sputnik expressed for Trump during the campaign, even using the #CrookedHillary hashtag pushed by the candidate.

McFaul said Russian propaganda typically is aimed at weakening opponents and critics. Trump’s victory, though reportedly celebrated by Putin and his allies in Moscow, may have been an unexpected benefit of an operation that already had fueled division in the United States. “They don’t try to win the argument,” said McFaul, now director of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. “It’s to make everything seem relative. It’s kind of an appeal to cynicism.”

The same tactics, researchers said, helped Russia shape international opinions about its 2014 annexation of Crimea and its military intervention in Syria, which started last year. Russian propaganda operations also worked to promote the “Brexit” departure of Britain from the European Union.

Another crucial moment, several researchers say, came in 2011 when the party of Russian President Vladimir Putin was accused of rigging elections, sparking protests that Putin blamed the Obama administration — and then-Secretary of State Clinton — for instigating.

Full Article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … story.html

Ya know what makes me think they could have been involved, slc?

If there's anything Russia is good at....it's propaganda - and I'll be god damned if I didn't fall for that click bait.

I consider myself a pretty good at skepticism - but those articles were so finely crafted....they didn't waste a single letter

#4702 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

...and the recount is on in Wisconsin...

As a Hillary voter I guess this is good. As someone who has no energy left to give im not so sure....

#4703 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

In all honesty....Loving County, Texas and its 82 inhabitants shouldn't have to put up with the will of the 300 plus million voters outside the county.

Its sheer physical size should make it equal to Cook County Illinois which is smaller in physical size. The 6 million or so inhabitants of Cook County should be restricted because of its tiny physical size.

Cmon damnit...this was kind of...a little bit funny

#4704 Re: The Garden » Football » 512 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I do agree tho with your post. It's losing me. Football had a great run from the late 80s till about 2010.  Since then, it's just disappated. A combination of things, but I think the following are large culprits as to why:

Commercials
Amount of Replays
Over analysis of replays & super slow motion
Inconsistency of penaltys
Violent spearing hits & CTE effects
Off the field issues by these douches (hitting wifes, guns, sitting during NA)
Watering down of National Games & attempts to move them to nighttime (thurs night, Sun Night, Mon night) whereas almost all games used to be Sunday at 1pm or 4pm. (College football contributes to this as well. Used to be I could watch a random great college game (Mich-Ohio St, LSU-Tenn, ND v USC) on a Saturday afternoon.  Now they're all at 8pm.
Moving of games to cable TV (ESPN, NFL network, Big 10/SEC channel etc)

yeah...I agree with a lot of those things.

Personally, I liked the Thursday night games selfishly...but I had not idea how the short weeks effected the quality of the games. From players being tired to not getting the practice necessary.

I find the announcers to be particularly boring....and I used to love most of them. I had a love/hate relationship with John Madden. The airwaves are saturated with football talk, analysis, highlights, fantasy advice...etc...

The thing I hate are all the damn commercials...I'm constantly watching car commercials. Kick off - COMMERCIAL - touchdown - commercials followed by a kick off and a commercial. A change of possession - COMMERICAL! End of Quarter COMMERCIAL! Halftime - COMMERCIAL.

It's such a business now it hardly resembles a game....and to see how much standing around goes on when you're actually a live game....it's stupid. It's almost getting to be like baseball but the standing around is contrived in NFL because they need time to do commercials.

#4705 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

In all honesty....Loving County, Texas and its 82 inhabitants shouldn't have to put up with the will of the 300 plus million voters outside the county.

Its sheer physical size should make it equal to Cook County Illinois which is smaller in physical size. The 6 million or so inhabitants of Cook County should be restricted because of its tiny physical size.

#4706 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

That map is quite misleading....Chicago isn't even blue?

Am I supposed to be impressed by all those counties in the mountain west that Trump won with 400 people in them? Sooooo impressive....There's like 5 states in there with less than 1 million people in it total.

It's Breibart, it doesn't matter. What matters is that Randall, Smoking and pollux believe it.

Breibart's justification is that the blue counties/cities they excluded from the map were elitist counties so their vote didn't matter.

It is true....I'll bet they didn't even question that map...

#4707 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Hillarys lead in the popular vote now well over 2 million....

Thank god we're a republic and have the electoral college. 2 or 3 states shouldn't dictate how the rest of the country lives.

Oh I know...Trump both simultaneously loves the electoral college and doesn't believe in it...  16:haha:

#4708 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Hillarys lead in the popular vote now well over 2 million....

...but... but!

https://news.vice.com/wp-content/upload … .53.41.png

That map is quite misleading....Chicago isn't even blue?

Am I supposed to be impressed by all those counties in the mountain west that Trump won with 400 people in them? Sooooo impressive....There's like 5 states in there with less than 1 million people in it total.

#4709 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Hillarys lead in the popular vote now well over 2 million....

#4710 Re: Management » Whatever happened to the ignore users option? » 512 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

Long time ago.

It vanished either before/after the Russ/Bono fiasco.

Not to stir up old shit...but what was the bono/Russ fiasco?

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