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#4741 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Farakhan endorsed Obama. Does that discredit his term. Trump never reached out to Duke, never spoke with him, never had a rally with him. If that's how you define racism, just remember that the DNC is the party of Slavery, Jim Crow, Eugenics, Tuskegee and Robert Byrd. That's a long list of guilt by association.
Let's be fair on this...the meaning of Republican and Democrat has changed numerous times over the centuries. Southern/Dixiecrats were considered Demorcats in the 1850s. For 40 plus years now every single Confederate state regularly votes for Republicans.
This is a claim often rolled out to distance the DNC from its racist past. What policy positions did Democrats hold then that Republicans have adopted?
The DNC is still the party that looks at you and makes assumptions based on your race. They still want laws that treat you differently based on race. Not much has changed, just none of you consider that racist.
This is absurd RF....any social/welfare program simply aimed at getting someone closer to participating in society in a productive way should be supported. At the core, student loans and scholarships aimed at assisting a poor person ascend to a college degree is good for everyone. It creates this idea that you are not living in a society with a very low ceiling. We spend so little on public education in this country. It's almost as though a good education is restricted to those who are born into the means to pay for it. These types of programs might disproportionately help minorities. Sometimes I think George Carlin was right...they don't want an electorate of citizens who can critically think....they want us just smart enough to pull the levers and push the buttons to keep the machine going.
What about tax credits for people who have children? Is that another way to treat someone differently, maybe not based on race, but by gender. What about laws that make deadbeat fathers financially responsible for their children? Is this yet another way to treat people differently base on racism or sexism?
When I say Asians routinely score better on math assessment tests, is that racism? Imagine a first generation minority student coming to the US and outperforming his/her white peers. How easy is it to say....that damn minority is getting a scholarship and an opportunity my son/daughter deserves because my genealogy in this country dates back one hundred years.
Or what about those Dominican baseball players that come to this country and outperform whites on the baseball field. Is it then racist to say Dominicans are in general good baseball players? Is it also racist to then pay those players more than their white counterparts?
#4742 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
President douchebag and chief.
The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!
58 mins ago - TwitterIf the election were based on total popular vote I would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily
1 hour ago - Twitter
What a petulant little child. After Obama's discipline to not take the bait at every opportunity...we have this completely entitled man showing absolutely no ability to engage in self-control.
Make America Great Again always meant make America white again. That's just the vibe I always got...from the people who attended his rallies to the KKK connections and the alleged white supremacist now a key member of his cabinet. Plus, all the vitriol about getting rid of "illegal immigrants." I just wonder who these same people will have to blame after they accomplish these things and their lives still suck. Sarah Palin is a complete moron and is being considered for key cabinet positions. It's like Barnum and Bailey moved into the white house.
So while I don't have definitive proof of racism...as in, a quote from a qualified source with Trump or anyone explicitly stating, "I'm a racist," I am sure getting some serious white supremacy vibes right now.
I think the privilege of being able to directly contradict yourself over and over again in the way Trump has about the electoral college and so many other topics in writing, in public implies an enormous arrogance to me. He is so privileged he literally has no one to answer to about anything. So much so that he doesn't mind publicly and consistently contradicting himself.
Let's look at that tweet...about he could have just as easily won NY and California had he just spent a bit more time there. He is at least presenting the image that the only reason Hillary got 230 electoral votes and the popular vote was because he let her. He has allowed it.
I have no reason to believe this partisan bickering is anywhere close to over. The goal now is to punish liberals and Democrats. There will likely be no more planned parenthood. There's a lot of religiously influenced legislation coming. I am certain the ideas of huge tax cuts sound good - especially to Trump's millionaire and billionaire friends. Public institutions with liberal and democratic ties will be the first to go. Social Security is likely dead and gone. The irony of Paul Ryan getting rid of social security even though he funded his entire early adulthood SS payments for himself due to his father' passing.
It's really coming, the "hooray for me and fuck you attitude" is alive and well and the cannon is aimed squarely at quite a few targets.
#4743 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:There's nothing you or anyone else has linked that I can't find similar language used by the left. Or is 'Uncle Tom' an acceptable term
All you offer is faux outrage when someone who doesn't think like you uses strong language.
Is referring to straight people as "breeders" ok?
Is it ok to talk about bitches sucking on your nuts as long as you're black? Cause that's half of what Jay Z talks about and I don't recall liberal outrage when he was on stage with Clinton and Obama.
Was it ok when Amy Schumer called Latino men rapist? I know you guys are up in arms that Trump called out the amount of gang bangers Mexico exports and you've stuck your head in the sand to the fact that child rape is more common in Latino communities than any other. But why no posts from Amy Schumer who was a Clinton surrogate.
This is why you guys are full of shit. The email leaks show plain as day the anti Semitic comments and thoughts from the DNC and how they planned to use Sanders religion as an attack point for Clinton.
Not a single fucking comment from any of you. You're probably rolling your eyes as you read this, cause you do not care what the left says no matter how vile. But if a Republican looks at Kim Kardashian's ass, you scream they're objectifying women.
So this is my last post on the topic. If you were in college writing a paper on this topic, you'd fail. You've not only been unable to support your thesis that Bannon is a racist, you've flooded the comments with articles and quotes that have nothing to do with your claims. "Here's a bunch of quotes where he said things we consider mean (never mind their accuracy) so this is why he's a racist. Never mind that democrat behind the curtain who said the same thing."
I don't know Bannon. Had never heard of him until yesterday.
But here's the bottom line. You lost. This country is going to change and there's not a single thing any Democrat can do to stop it. The party is literally powerless in Washington.
So because you guys are so tolerant and welcoming, I leave you with Obama's comments in 2010 when he was working really hard for bipartisanship, because it explains your status right now :
It's my opinion he's a racist, anti Semite with how he conducts himself and his publication which you ignore or discount. I've never heard David Duke call anyone a nigger, but I'm sure he has. Oh, and David Duke LOVES this guy for the reasons you've discounted. You can check your conservastive persecution complex about how we don't condemn whichever celebrity says something in PC, whether comedian or rapper. We're talking leaders of the country. There's a difference. And you know that. But at least now you found a new hero .
Farakhan endorsed Obama. Does that discredit his term. Trump never reached out to Duke, never spoke with him, never had a rally with him. If that's how you define racism, just remember that the DNC is the party of Slavery, Jim Crow, Eugenics, Tuskegee and Robert Byrd. That's a long list of guilt by association.
Let's be fair on this...the meaning of Republican and Democrat has changed numerous times over the centuries. Southern/Dixiecrats were considered Demorcats in the 1850s. For 40 plus years now every single Confederate state regularly votes for Republicans.
#4744 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
James, Neemo....is it time for a GNR-Evo app? I would download that in a heartbeat.
#4745 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:I almost didn't post the Mother Jones report specifically because you would blow it off, but they spoke directly with Gannon, it was his quote. But you're ignoring Ben Shapiro, who worked at Breithart and quit because of Bannon. But you latched on to Mother Jones...
What is or isn't racist appears to be very subjective...When RF said something to the effect of, "black people should be grateful that they were brought to this country as slaves," I considered it racist. He disagreed obviously.
Sometimes I wonder if RF thinks racism even exists.
Context please. I said that when blacks in America are asking for reparations, they should consider what the average life of someone in modern Africa is like. Can you name one country in Africa where the average black has a better quality of life than the average black in the US? Since I know you can't, in the context of reparations, I think modern blacks should be grateful for the horror their ancestors endured. Otherwise they'd be enjoying the same quality of life as people living on that continent today.
I don't think you guys even understand what racism means since you so often confuse facts with racism.
To be honest, I don't recall the reparations part because, well in all honesty it never seemed like a legitimate solution to anything.
I don't see this point of view as fact though. I see it as an interpretation.
It's a pretty unique way to interpret the whole thing. If a young child was kidnapped by strangers who were able to provide a better quality of life does that justify the kidnapping?
Maybe what you're saying is over my head, but in essence if I'm interpreting what you were saying correctly, then what I said above would be my summary.
#4746 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
I almost didn't post the Mother Jones report specifically because you would blow it off, but they spoke directly with Gannon, it was his quote. But you're ignoring Ben Shapiro, who worked at Breithart and quit because of Bannon. But you latched on to Mother Jones...
What is or isn't racist appears to be very subjective...When RF said something to the effect of, "black people should be grateful that they were brought to this country as slaves," I considered it racist. He disagreed obviously.
Sometimes I wonder if RF thinks racism even exists.
#4747 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Pretty good documentary
Look like propaganda
#4748 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:That is incorrect.. Fannie Mae was VERY much involved.... They helped push up demand for housing in the low end of the market making subprime loans more attractive to other institutions as housing prices rice steadily. They bought 25% of the 272.81 billion in subprime mortgage back securities in 2006, 35.3% in 2005 and 44% in 2004. They were a big player..
You started off talking about the community reinvestment act. I addressed that. You then answered me with Fannie Mae-which isn't the same thing. However there is no connection between the two. In addition it's private lenders who gave out the bulk of subprime loans. The private lenders were not beholden to any government regulation or oversight. These private mortgage lenders were propped up with hedge fund money in most cases. As soon as these loans were issued, they were sold off to be repackaged by Wall Street. Once they were repackaged into securities, the agencies gave them AAA ratings (to me one of the biggest offenses.) Those crappy security bundles were then sold to retirement pensions around the country and world. After a certain point the same people selling them (Goldman Sachs for instance) began to short them. All of this is just a segment of what was going on with Wall Street preceding the crash.
It's just one more cheap lie hustled from the right, so everybody would blame "poor people" for the crash instead of Wall Street. How anybody could fall for something so ridiculous and transparent is beyond me. Reminds me of my asshole cousin who said the same thing during the crash. Guess he couldn't take responsibility for the 8 homes and one condo he lost in south Florida. Of course he blamed it on everybody but himself. Can't say I felt sorry for him...
Smoking Guns wrote:You friend is wrong. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were involved and were part of the game but were not the sole reason.
Again, do you think Dodd/Frank is about oversight for Fannie Mae? Or Wall Street? Hello???
If you aren't aware, the Republicans want to get rid of that. Lifting regulations on Wall Street once again so they can be free to partake in more fuckery, risky loans, CDOs and OTC derivatives. It will probably be one of the first things (in theory) that Trump does. Give Wall Street free range to run riot.
Fantastic post!
And again, this is standard Repug procedure....deregulation...no protections for the consumer...
poor people are always the problem right SG?
#4749 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Mitch...
Here again....I said nothing about Hitler....wtf are you talking about you drone....quick go back to FOX news and find out what you should say next!!!!
Come on Mitch...you're better than that. Let's not use the "you do nothing but parrot talking points" debate tactic. It's bush league. While you are correct you didn't mention Hitler you also understood why he did.....many people have referred to Trump as the next Hitler.
The only part that I disagree with I suppose....is that 'the half of the country that didn't vote for Obama' sucked it up. The anger about Obama/Obamacare never subsided IMHO.
Yeah we sucked it up. YOu didn't see people rioting, protesting, and assaulting innocent old men in the street. It was on the news some 11 year old boy got assaulted for voting Trump at his school's mock election. None of this stuff happened during the Obama presidency.
As far as Obamacare goes, the reason that has had criticism from the get go is because it continually got worse and even the people who supported it now believe it should be changed.
ID....
Last night, Elizabeth Warren said she was open to working with Trump and is optimistic he will want to help the working class like he promised, and she'll be right there to help him.
Trump would be very smart to start tackling issues that will help the working class. They are who ascended him into the presidency and he will become as popular as Reagan if people start seeing results fairly quickly. People who are happy don't have the time to waste on protests.
I agree with this. Trump is not my major concern, it's the people he's surrounding himself with. Pence is one of them. He put a coal/oil endorsed lobbiest and climate change deniar in charge of the enviorment. I was banking on Christie, though I can't stand him, to keep him in line, but he was demoted because of wanting to move forward, not prosecute Hillary and filling the cabinet with actual policy makers who know what they're doing, but it looks like he's listening to the lackeys.
I'm really hoping he doesn't start drowning in neocon appointments. Trump has a chance to be a gamechanger to a degree.....so capitalize on it.
We really need for Trump to stand up against his party.
Considering the fact that he's not really a republican, I assume he will have little difficulty in doing this.
How do you separate your posts like that? I want to learn how take quotes from separate my responses.
#4750 Re: The Garden » Baseball » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:PaSnow wrote:So I'm surprised Steve Bartman never made an appearance?! I woulda thought he'd be given a hero's welcome in forgiveness.
Actually...it's kind of funny...
they talked about it a few times along the ways of the playoffs...
apparently he was invited and the whole purpose was to make amends...I think most people in Chicago want to make amends with Bartman...that was a sad display.
Apparently they've been inviting him for years and he always declines. He says he just wants to be left alone.
I can't blame the guy. The way he was treated was completely unacceptable. I'd give them a great big FU too if I were him. Buckner was able to make amends with Red Sox fans after they finally won, but that was nearly 2 decades later. He was forced out of town and had to move his family to Iowa. And he was a player. Bartman was just a fan who did what many fans would, and did do in that very moment. Yet he became the reason they lost. He had to be ushered out by security that night for his own safety. He received death threats and had to move and go into hiding pretty much. I'd want absolutely nothing to do with the Cubs after that. I'm sure he stills roots for them, but in private. I'd probably find it difficult to even do that much.
I can totally understand that. One detail that might be interesting to you is that I have heard he actually still attends Cubs games at wrigley. He just does it like any other fan would.
They banished Buckner to Iowa? No one deserves that!

