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Just A Little Patience
Spin, July 1999
EIGHT YEARS AGO, AXL ROSE HAD TWO ALBUMS IN THE TOP TEN AND THE WORLD AT HIS FEET. BUT RATHER THAN BURNING OUT OR FADING AWAY, HE JUST GOT UP AND LEFT. THE TRUE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE HE IS NOW
BY MARC SPITZ
ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY AMRA BROOKS, LISA DERRICK, MARK EBNER, AND SORELLE SAIDMAN
On February 10, 1998, a 36-year-old white male with a ponytail and a reddish-blond beard was arrested for disorderly conduct at the Phoenix airport. After refusing to let airport security guards inspect his carry-on bag, the man had begun to curse at them, and was led away in handcuffs by police.
It was the first confirmed public appearance of Axl Rose in three years. It's also been the last. In 1993, Rose was one of the biggest superstars on the planet. Guns N' Roses had just finished their two-and-a-half-year world tour for the seven-time-platinum Use Your Illusion albums, and the band decided to take a few months off from what had become a five-year stream of arguments, drug problems, controversies, and even riots. At the end of the year, they released "The Spaghetti Incident?", a collection of tossed-off punk covers designed to tide fans over until their next album. And then-other than a lackluster Rolling Stones cover for a movie soundtrack about a year later-nothing. Silence.
Like other pop music icons of the past decade-Kurt, Tupac, Biggie-Rose is frozen in our collective memory at his creative peak, a snake-hipped, out-of-control badass with a bandanna and a reputation for showing up late for his own concerts. He never got old, he never got lame, and he never got fat (though plenty of Internet rumors would say otherwise). The longer he stays away, the larger his legend grows. Unlike Kurt, Tupac, and Biggie, though, Rose might emerge at any moment.
As the 12-year-old Appetite for Destruction continues to sell strongly, approaching the 16 million mark, Rose remains holed up in various Los Angeles studios recording-and trashing, rewriting, and recording again-the most anticipated comeback album of the decade. With thousands of hours of song fragments and jams on tape, he's too much the perfectionist to wrap anything up, too much the obsessive to let anything go.
For the past few months, Rose's return has seemed less of a myth and more of a real possibility. The organizers of Woodstock '99 entered ultimately unsuccessful negotiations with a reconfigured Guns N' Roses, and Rose has reportedly begun to play unfinished tracks for executives at his label. As we await the return of rock's greatest recluse, Spin goes in search of Axl, sorting through fact, conjecture, and some of the weirdest rumors you've ever heard (many of which-weirder still-turn out to be true). Thirty-five of Rose's friends, enemies, and former associates tell the story of a small-town boy who moved to the city and found out that the jungle really can bring you to your knees.
THE UNBELIEVABLE TRUTH
IS ROCK'S GREATEST RECLUSE WORKING HARD, EXPERIMENTING WITH ELECTRONICA, OR HANGING OUT IN THE STUDIO WITH SHAQUILLE O'NEAL? ACTUALLY, ALL THREE. SORTING AXL'S REAL SECRETS FROM THE GN'R LIES
PARADISE CITY: Sure thing ANYTHING GOES: Even bet YOU'RE FUCKIN' CRAZY: One in a million
AXL'S WORKING FOR THE WEEKEND
From 1994 to early 1998, various lineups of Guns N' Roses rehearsed at The Complex, a Los Angeles studio, in a 60'x40'x22' space complete with pool table, pinball machine, and, later, exercise equipment. according to David DeVore, the studio's general manager, they worked there every weekday from about 9 P.M. to 7A.M. When Rose decided they were ready to start recording, longtime producer Mike Clink moved them to a secure studio in the San Fernando Valley.
RATING, PARADISE CITY
AXL WILL SEE YOU NOW...
In the past five years, Rose has gone through at least three potential producers: Mike Clink, who may yet be involved in another capacity; Moby, who declined Rose's offer to produce the album; and former Killing Joke member and Verve producer Youth. The Gunners are now working with Sean Beaven, who has produced rock and techno acts such as Nine Inch Nails and Pantera. RATING: PARADISE CITY
AXL'S A LONE GUNMAN
Rose legally owns the name Guns N' Roses, and his decision to put a band on salary may indicate he wants complete control. "It's Axl's vision now," says Duff McKagan. RATING: ANYTHING GOES
GUNS N' ROSES IS A BAND
Several producers and sidemen have walked away from the project because Rose asked them to make a long-term commitment, and some believe "hired gun" bassist Tommy Stinson could even end up with Slash-level billing. "Once Guns is up and running it may not ultimately be Axl, Axl, Axl," according to a source close to the bassist. RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL'S UNDER PRESSURE
Rose is laboring over a song with the working title "Prostitute," according to Youth, but past successes weigh heavily on him. "They sold millions of records in a few years," says the producer. "He had a big crew of people in the studio ... and I think that kind of pressure chokes creativity." RATING: PARADISE CITY
AXL'S GETTING PHYSICAL
"Axl looks like he's getting stout," says DeVore. "He's been working out, getting healthy. They're not blowing themselves out like they used to." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL WALKS AMONG US
Rose just looks like another face in the crowd, according to Moby. "If you were walking down the street and Axl passed you, you'd never notice. He looks like a regular, decent guy." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
ENDTRODUCING...AXL
To the chagrin of Guns purists-and, some say, Slash-Rose wants to join the industrial revolution. "They wanted to make a record that involved more contemporary production techniques," according to Moby. "At one point Rose told me how much he liked the DJ Shadow record." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL IS A PUNK ROCKER
Never mind the bollocks-here's Guns N' Roses? Maybe "Tommy won't play in a techno band and you can't override Josh Freese," says a Stinson acquaintance. "These are punk rockers." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL'S GOT GAME
At one point in April 1997, Shaquille O'Neal took a break from his own recording session in the same building and rapped over some Guns music. "I saw Guns N'Roses listed on the bulletin board in the lobby of the studio so I stuck my head in to check it out," says Shaq. "They asked me to join them, so I started freestylin' over their track. It was the first time I ever performed with a rock group, and it felt good." RATING: PARADISE CITY
AXL'S SONG REMAINS THE SAME
The new Guns N' Roses album will be "absolutely within the same pattern of Guns N' Roses music in its diversity, says a source close to the band. Former Nine Inch Nail; drum programmer Chris Vrenna, who was offered a position in Guns, agrees: "I have a feeling it's gonna be more like Appetite than people are expecting." RATING: PARADISE CITY
AXL'S SONG REMAINS EXACTLY THE SAME
"When I walked into the studio, they were rehearsing the old songs to record for a greatest hits package," says Youth. "They were gonna do them exactly the same way. So my first project was to sort of dissuade Axl from doing that." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL'S BEEN HERE BEFORE
Rose began consulting a "past-life regression" therapist named Suzie London in 1991. "I only went twice," says Rose's former personal assistant Colleen Combs "She told me that I didn't have any past lives and later told Axl that I was a fifty-thousand-year-old being that put a hex on him." RATING: ANYTHING GOES
AXL WANTS TO BE STARTIN' SOMETHING
Rose "wears those Michael Jackson-type disguises-fake mustaches and Members Only jackets, says L.A. scenester Vaginal Creme Davis. RATING: YOU'RE FUCKIN' CRAZY
USE YOUR ILLUSION DOES AXL WALK AMONG US?
'¢ In December 1997, Axl was seen on the Universal Studios City Walk in Los Angeles with a child and an older Hispanic woman. "His hair was short," according to an eyewitness. "I think I saw Aid buy the kid a Grinch stuffed animal."
'¢ A salesman at the Los Angeles audio/video outlet Voodoo Lab sold Axl a guitar effects mixer in the fall of 1997. "I'm not sure if I should mention that," he says.
'¢ Axl was spotted buying a pair of horsehair pants at a Melrose Avenue boutique in early 1996.
'¢ Early this year, Axl was spied at the concession stand of the AMC Century 14 Cinema in Century City, California. According to the fan who saw him, "he was wearing jeans and a flannel."
'¢ "He was freckly, with feathered Shaun Cassidy hair," says a moviegoer who saw him earlier this year. "l was riveted by his hair. It was thick as fuck."
'¢ A short-haired, goateed Axl was recognized backstage at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert in April 1996.
'¢ Axl was hanging out backstage at a Radiohead show in Los Angeles in 1997. "The thing that struck me was how unrecognizable he was," says a concertgoer. "The door guy was patting him down."
'¢ "Not only have my friends seen him in New York City - I swear I've seen him too," says another fan. "The only thing that was different about him was his hair. It looked black or brown. But maybe it was a wig."
'¢ Two years ago, a fan took a photo of Axl on the beach in Malibu. When she had the film developed, she says the picture came back out of focus.
THE GUN CLUB
GN'R HAS INCLUDED YOUNG HOTSHOTS, OLD FRIENDS OF AXL'S, AND GUYS NAMED IZZY AND DIZZY. A BRIEF GUIDE TO LOOSE CANNONS AND HIRED GUNS
OLD GUNS
SLASH, lead guitar: In 1996, Rose sent out a press release saying he could no longer work with Slash because the guitarist had lost his "dive in and find the monkey" attitude. Slash is now at work on his second album with Slash's Snakepit - "a really good band. Fortunately, I've been lucky enough to have that happen to me twice."
IZZY STRADLIN, rhythm guitar: A childhood friend of Rose's, Stradlin left Guns N' Roses in 1991 to pursue a solo career. He reunited with the band briefly in 1993 and released his second solo album in 1998.
DUFF McKAGAN, bass: After working on new material with Rose for nearly four years while also juggling several side projects, McKagan left Guns N' Roses to start the Seattle-based punk quintet Loaded. It's "a real band," he says.
STEVEN ADLER, drums: Adler, who was fired in 1990, this year singlehandedly accepted the band's Diamond Award for selling more than 10 million copies of Appetite for Destruction. "I haven't had that much excitement since I played with the Stones at the Coliseum," he says.
GILBY CLARKE, guitar: Stradlin's replacement, Clarke was fired by the band in early 1994. "One day my paychecks stopped coming," he says. "There was no explanation-they just stopped paying me. So I pretty much took that as a hint'"
HIRED GUNS
TOMMY STINSON, bass: The former Replacements bassist "hadn't worked in a long time" when Rose called, according to a source close to Stinson. "Tommy didn't get nickel one from the Replacements," the source says. -[So] he bought a used copy of Appetite, and learned the bass lines."
PAUL HUGE, guitar: Another childhood friend of Axl's, Huge is "the kind of guy who's always in the studio," according to temporary GN'R drum programmer Chris Vrenna. Another source says there's tension between him and Stinson because Huge "has the whole Guns attitude but he's never toured."
ROBIN FINCK, lead guitar: Finck is no stranger to the circus-Matt Sorum found him playing with Cirque Du Soleil. "I told Axl to see him and he said, 'That's our guitar player,"' says Sorum. "I said, 'Bring in Robin to play alongside Slash,' but Axl said, 'I want him to play lead."'
JOSH FREESE, drums: A former member of SoCal punk band the Vandals, Freese is now a top session drummer. "They're paying Josh an obscene amount of money for two days of rehearsal a week," says a source close to the musician. "[But] Josh has kind of an 'I don't give a fuck' attitude about it"
DIZZY REED, keyboards: Although he's not a founding member of the band - he joined to record the Illusion albums - Reed is the only oldschool Gunner left. To modernize the group's sound, he's been putting together "a monstrously cool keyboard set up [with] Macintoshes and sequencing," according to Vrenna.
NINE INCH MALES
THE TRENT CONNECTION
What does Axl Rose have in common with Trent Reznor besides a large bank account and a bad case of writer's block? Actually, the reclusive pair also share a fondness for applying the latest technology to howls of pain and anger, and studio pros like drum programmer Chris Vrenna list both as references. Reznor rode the alt-rock revolution to stardom, but few know he had an unlikely, bandanna-sportin' champion from the very beginning: A brief account of W Axl Rose's enduring fascination with the inner workings of the pretty hate machine.
LARS ULRICH: I remember late one night Axl was sitting there telling me about this band called Nine Inch Nails: He was saying, "This is the coolest thing I've ever heard:" And we were all sitting there going, "What the fuck are you talking about?" He had Nine Inch Nails support Guns N' Roses in Europe, and I remember hearing how they got booed off the stage. But he was there when the rest of us were still listening to fucking Judas Priest.
JOSEPH BROOKS: Several years ago, Axl told me to go shopping for CDs for him: He gave me a credit card, and I bought him stuff like Front 242, Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM, early Prodigy-all the early techno stuff. He was really excited by it.
MATT SORUM: Axl was well-versed in what was new and happening: He was the first person to play me Nine Inch Nails: He said, "They're gonna be huge."
GILBY CLARKE: Basically, Axl said, "I want to change the sound of the band. I want to use more industrial type things." He was really into bands like Nine Inch Nails.
CHRIS VRENNA: Axl was always a big Nails fan. I was in Nine Inch Nails for ten years so I went from [playing with] Trent Reznor to Billy Corgan to Axl Rose.
APPETITE FOR SELF-DESTRUCTION
HE CAME FROM INDIANA. HE RULED L.A. HOW DID AXL ROSE GO FROM THE TOP OF THE CHARTS TO THE "WHERE ARE THEY NOW?" FILE?
HEADBANGERS BALL: THE CAST
STEVEN ADLER: former drummer, Guns N' Roses
ROB AFFUSO: former drummer, Skid Row
MICHAEL BARBIERO: mixer, Appetite for Destruction
RODDY BOTTUM: former keyboardist, Faith No More; founder, Imperial Teen
JOSEPH BROOKS: influential L.A. club DJ; former owner, L.A. record store Vinyl Fetish
MARK CANTER: early supporter of Guns N' Roses; owner, Canter's Deli
GILBY CLARKE: former guitarist, Guns N' Roses
COLLEEN COMBS: former personal assistant, Axl Rose
BAMBI CONWAY: former member, the Pandoras
ALICE COOPER: rock legend; restaurateur; golf enthusiast
MITCH DEAN: former drummer, punk band T.S.O.L.
ERIN EVERLY: ex-wife of Axl Rose
KIM FOWLEY: producer/manager, most famously of the Runaways; would-be Guns N' Roses manager
TRACII GUNS: founder, L.A. Guns; former guitarist, Guns N' Roses
LEMMY KILMISTER: bassist, Motörhead
MARK KOSTABI: artist; creator of the Use Your Illusion cover painting
BRETT MICHAELS: lead singer, Poison
MOBY: techno musician; producer
BRENDAN MULLEN: former owner, L.A. punk rock club the Masque
JIM PASDACH: owner, JL Records in Lafayette, Indiana
KEVIN QUINN: tattoo artist; guitarist, American Pearl
RIKI RACHTMAN: former owner, L.A. rock club The Cathouse; former host, MTV's Headbangers Ball
VERNON REID: former guitarist, Living Colour
JOSH RICHMAN: actor; friend of Axl Rose
STEPHANIE SEYMOUR: supermodel; former girlfriend of Axl Rose
NIKKI SIXX: bassist, Motley Crüe
SLASH: former lead guitarist, Guns N' Roses; founder, Slash's Snakepit
MATT SORUM: former drummer, the Cult; former drummer, Guns N' Roses
TC: early friend of the band
STEVE THOMPSON: mixer, Appetite for Destruction
LARS ULRICH: drummer, Metallica
ROBERT WILLIAMS: painter, original Appetite for Destruction cover
ZAKK WYLDE: former guitarist, Ozzy Osbourne's band; guitarist, Black Label Society
MICHELLE YOUNG: Slash and Steven Adler's high school classmate; inspiration for the song "My Michelle"
TOM ZUTAUT: former Geffen A&R executive who signed Guns N' Roses; copresident of the Enclave record label
MOVE TO THE CITY: 1984-1986
Born on February 6, 1962, in Lafayette, Indiana, W. Axl Rose is raised as Bill Bailey, the oldest of three children in a strict Pentacostal family that forbids him to listen to rock music. At 17, Rose discovers that his stepdad, L. Stephen Bailey, isn't his biological father; William Rose, his real father, had walked out on the family when Axl was two. A former choirboy, Rose begins to get into trouble with the law as a teenager, mostly for public intoxication. In 1980, Rose-who, Lafayette legend has it, took his adopted first name from the wheel axl of his skateboard-hitchhikes to Los Angeles and hooks up with Lafayette buddy Izzy Stradlin (né Jeff Isabelle).
JIM PASDACH: Axl couldn't get a job at the mall stores because they had all caught him shoplifting-I always had to watch him when he came in. The last memory I have of him is when he came into the store and told me he was going out to L.A. to become a rock star. I was, like, "Yeah, right."
MICHELLE YOUNG: I went to high school in Los Angeles with Steven Adler and Slash-I met Axl through them. Axl was always like, "I'm from Indiana." He would wear blue-and-white-striped Dolphin shorts, cowboy boots, and a cropped T-shirt. I'd say, "I'm not going down Melrose with you dressed like that!" He was very insecure, very naive, but he knew he had something.
TRACII GUNS: Izzy was the drummer in a band called the Babysitters. He wore a dress, and I think somebody beat his ass, so he joined this band called Shire, which was a Scorpions kind of metal band. That's when I became friends with him. When Axl moved out here, Izzy and Axl ended up getting this little pad on Crescent Heights and Sunset. They put together Hollywood Rose-first it was called A-X-L, then they were Rose, and then Hollywood Rose.
STEVEN ADLER: Slash and I were in a band called Road Crew. One day we found a flyer for a band called Rose. We said, "These guys look cool-we oughta check them out." So we went to see them at [the Sunset Strip rock club] Gazzarri's and said, "We get those two in our group and we're gonna have the hottest band around." The next day, I was leaving a girlfriend's house and Axl was walking up and we got to talking. We rented a studio and we were jamming on this song called "Reckless Life" and Axl grabbed the microphone and started running up and down the walls, screaming like I've never heard in my life. From the first note, I knew this was gonna be it.
MARK CANTER: When Axl hooked up with Slash, Slash joined Hollywood Rose. Living the way they did just gave them more things to write about. "Welcome to the Jungle" was the first song they wrote together, and it tells you everything.
BRETT MICHAELS: I remember going down to see them at Madame Wong's East, just me and Tommy Lee's sister and her boyfriend at the time. There were maybe 15 people in the club and Axl was playing as if he were in front of a million people.
TRACII GUNS: A bunch of people revolved in and out of Hollywood Rose-it's the way these bands are. Izzy got an offer to join this band called London, so he left. Axl ended up singing for L.A. Guns until he got in a fight with our manager. But Axl decided we should continue writing songs together since we lived together. Then we came up with the name "Guns N' Roses"-it was like, "I'm Tracii Guns and you're Axl Rose." We pulled in Izzy, who was trying to do another version of Hollywood Rose. Steven Adler was the next guy in the band-he had great hair. Duff was in some weird Top 40 band, but Izzy was like, "This guy's got short hair, but he's into the New York Dolls and stuff like that." He had a Johnny Thunders T-shirt on, and we were, like, "This guy's perfect."
STEVEN ADLER: We played our first show at the Troubadour and it was sold-out. It was like we were rock stars, but just in Hollywood.
BRENDAN MULLEN: Axl told me they wanted to be a cool underground band playing AI's Bar and the AntiClub, but no one would give them the time of day because of their look. So they ended up playing all the Strip clubs, and they eventually just exploded.
BAMBI CONWAY: Girls wanted Axl because they could see his butt when he played with his chaps on.
TC: The first time I saw them, it was magic. I felt like I was privy to something that was gonna be taken away.
MICHELLE YOUNG: Axl used to stay over at my house a lot because he had nowhere else to go. After they got famous, there were better places to stay-and shopping. They would call and say, "I got this. I got that. I got a new car."
STEVEN ADLER: The rehearsal space we lived in on Sunset and Gardner was disgusting. No toilet, no nothing, but who cared? We didn't have jobs. We lived off girls-off strippers. We were doing what we wanted to do. We had women, and we were playing rock'n'roll.
KIM FOWLEY: You have to give them credit for cranking out all those songs in the middle of hell. I saw where they lived-it was horrible. It looked like Auschwitz.
JOSEPH BROOKS: They slept here, there, and everywhere. Izzy made leather-studded wristbands I sold at my record store. That's what he did for a living.
COLLEEN COMBS: When we would leave the Rainbow, Izzy would drink the remnants of all the drinks on the table.
TRACII GUNS: [In 1985] I just wanted to get away for a week or something, and I recall Axl or Izzy calling and leaving a message-"We got rehearsal this week." I just ignored it. I didn't hear anything for a couple of days and then finally the whip came down-"Slash is going to play guitar because you haven't come to rehearsal."
L.A. booking agent Vicky Hamilton becomes the group's first manager in 1985, securing them bigger gigs and better equipment. Rose legally changes his name to W. Axl Rose.
STEVEN ADLER: Vicky was very sweet, very motherly. We were pretty much living in her house, having sex with strippers on the roof. We destroyed it.
JOSEPH BROOKS: I dragged A&R people to their gigs and played the "Welcome to the Jungle" demo on my show on [L.A. radio station] KROQ. I brought Tom Zutaut to see Guns N' Roses and he loved them.
TOM ZUTAUT: Joe at Vinyl Fetish was like, "There's this new band called Guns N' Roses-you should check them out." I went to see them at the Troubadour and there were a lot of A&R people. So I left after two songs-I didn't need to see any more to know they were going to be the biggest band in the world. On my way out I said [to one of the other A&R people], "They suck-I'm going home," knowing full well I was going to sign them to Geffen come hell or high water.
BRENDAN MULLEN: I booked GN'R at Club Lingerie. It was a chance-of-a-lifetime gig. The band set up and did a sound-check. No Axl. The band was freaking. Then, ten minutes before set time, he strolled in. They signed with Geffen immediately after.
TOM ZUTAUT: Axl didn't strike me as being particularly savvy or into his career. He was more like a wild animal from the African jungle. I remember Axl saying to me the Monday after the show, "Well, if you can get me a check for $75,000 by Friday, we'll sign with you." It was unheard of. Then on Wednesday, he called me and said, "Look, man, we told the A&R person at Chrysalis that if she walked naked down Sunset Boulevard from her office to Tower Records, we'd sign with her." He was dead serious. And I remember thinking, "My office is on Sunset-I'm going to have to watch until Friday at 6 o'clock, because if she does the nude walk, I'm going to lose the band."
KIM FOWLEY: The day they got their check from Geffen, Axl came into The Rainbow with a Xerox of a check for $37,500 made out to Guns N' Roses. It was half of their advance, so they must have gotten 75 grand. He said, "Look, we got our deal." I said, "Congratulations," and he said, "Buy me a drink-I don't have any money."
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE: 1986-1990
In order to build a buzz, Guns N' Roses records the EP Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide for their Geffen-funded Uzi Suicide label. In August, the band hires Zutaut recommended manager Alan Niven (who also worked with Great White) to replace Vicky Hamilton, who later sues the band. In August, 1986, they begin recording the songs that became Appetite for Destruction.
TOM ZUTAUT: The sessions would happen at two or three in the morning-whenever the band was inspired.
STEVEN ADLER: Most of the songs on Appetite are first, second, or third takes-"Sweet Child O' Mine" we only played once. I think that's why the record did so well-it was real.
SLASH: "Welcome to the Jungle" was just a riff I made sitting in my bedroom on an acoustic guitar and Axl just happened to be there. Where he got the lyrics I really have no idea, but when we actually put the song together I think it took maybe an hour.
MICHELLE YOUNG: I'm the subject of the song "My Michelle." I was driving Axl to a gig and "Your Song" by Elton John came on the radio. I said that I wished somebody would write a beautiful song about me. But, you know the song. At the time, I didn't care because I was so fucked up, but what it says is all true: My dad does distribute porno films and my mom did die.
STEVE THOMPSON: Axl wanted some pornographic sounds in "Rocket Queen," so he brought a girl in and they had sex in the studio. We wound up recording about 30 minutes of sex noises. If you listen to the break on "Rocket Queen," it's in there.
MICHAEL BARBIERO: I didn't want to be around for recording a girl getting fucked. That wasn't the high point of my career. So I set up the mikes and had my assistant record it. If you look at the record, it says, "Vic Deglio, fucking assistant engineer." So it's literal.
Geffen Records releases Appetite for Destruction on August 1, 1987. Fearing that retailers will refuse to stock the album because of its cover-a painting by L.A.-based artist Robert Williams that seems to depict a woman who has been violated by a robot-the label decides to move the image to the inner sleeve.
ROBERT WILLIAMS: When Guns N' Roses wanted to use my picture "Appetite for Destruction," I told Axl he was going to get into trouble. Then they asked if they could use the title of the painting. I said yes, but I knew there'd be a problem. None of the guys in this band were too articulate, so they would direct the media to me to defend the cover.
LARS ULRICH: I was sitting on an airplane going through a bunch of cassettes that I had finagled over at our record company, and one of them was Appetite. When "It's So Easy," the second song, came on, it just blew my fuckin' head off. I had never heard anything with that kind of attitude. It wasn't just what was said-it was the way Axl said it. It was so venomous. It was so fucking real and so fucking angry.
TOM ZUTAUT: MTV was afraid that if they played GN'R, local cable systems would throw them off. So Appetite was up to about 200,000 and it was standing still. I got called up into the president of Geffen's office and he said, "This record is over." So I went up to David Geffen's office and I said, "Could you get MTV to play the video for 'Welcome to the Jungle'?" A couple of hours later, he said, "They're going to play it at five in the morning on Sunday as a personal favor to me." Even in the wee hours of Sunday morning, MTV got so many requests that it blew their switchboard.
Guns N' Roses begin opening arena shows for Motley Crüe and headlining small clubs with TS.O.L. as an opener. In February 1988, Rose refuses to leave his hotel room the night of the band's Phoenix concert. Rose is fired by his bandmates, then reinstated three days later. In August-while the band is opening Aerosmith's Permanent Vacation tour-Appetite for Destruction reaches No. 1 on the Billboard album chart.
MITCH DEAN: We do our set in Phoenix, and the whole band is there except Axl, and they say, "Play another song." Then it's "Can you play two more?" By that time, we were in the middle of John Lennon's "Cold Turkey."
TOM ZUTAUT: I cut a deal with [then Aerosmith manager] Tim Collins for the band to open for Aerosmith. He made a rule that nobody in GN'R could be seen with a joint, hard drugs, or even a beer in front of Aerosmith. If Slash was caught in front of Joe Perry with a beer, they'd be thrown off the tour. So all the insanity was happening behind closed doors.
SLASH: When we were doing stadiums, it was like playing the Troubadour-I could never tell the difference. When the tour was over, I came back to L.A. and realized what a household name the band had become.
RIKI RACHTMAN: I was sitting around with Axl and I was saying, "Man, I should do that Headbangers Ball show." And Axl says, "I'll make some calls." Then he flew to New York with me for my audition. I walked in with Axl and they're, like, "You have the job."
On August 20, Guns N' Roses take a break from the Aerosmith tour to play the Monsters of Rock festival at Castle Donnington in Leicestershire, England. The general admission concert is overcrowded and the group stops playing three times in an attempt to calm the audience. As he leaves the stage, Rose tells fans to "Have a good fuckin' day and don't kill yourselves" - unaware that two concertgoers were crushed to death during their set.
STEVEN ADLER: Donnington was the worst show we've ever played. You don't know what's happening so you can't stop it.
TOM ZUTAUT: The band was upset about it. They wondered what kind of security they had at a gig if people could be crushed.
With Appetite for Destruction at No. 3, Geffen releases GN'R Lies on Nov. 30, 1988. The album consists of the Live ?!'@ Like a Suicide EP and four acoustic tracks, including "One in a Million, "which contains racist and homophobic epithets.
STEVEN ADLER: When I first heard "One in a Million," I asked Axl, "What the fuck? Is this necessary?" He just said, "Yeah, it's necessary. I'm letting my feelings out."
VERNON REID: When I heard that song, I was probably more disappointed than anything, because I liked the band. I thought the objectification was wack, like I'm somehow standing in the way of this guy.
TOM ZUTAUT: Axl resented being accused of being homophobic. He was also really pissed off about being called a racist.
TC: When they started to get money, they would drink all day at Barney's Beanery. Slash bought all the snakes he wanted but he was always losing them.
SLASH: I had a walk-in room where there were four or five ten-foot pythons. I had all these little rooms in the house that were supposed to be maids' rooms, but if I had a space that didn't have any practical purpose, I'd turn it into a snake room.
COLLEEN COMBS: Axl went through a couple of cars. There was a Corvette and a red monster truck with an insane stereo system that never worked right because it would drain the battery.
MICHELLE YOUNG: Axl was changing-he and I had a falling out. I was high one night and I pushed his buttons, saying, "You're famous now and you don't need your friends." He said, "Get out of my face."
In August 1989, Stradlin is arrested for urinating in the galley on an L.A.-bound US Air flight. Along with Living Colour, Guns N' Roses are booked as an opening act for the Rolling Stones' October concerts at the Los Angeles Coliseum, prompting critics to cast the show as a battle of the bands and speculate on whether Living Colour frontman Vernon Reid would address Rose's racism onstage.
TOM ZUTAUT: GN'R had a separate area backstage. Living Colour were on the other side and the Stones were in the middle, with an army of security.
COLLEEN COMBS: Axl became more and more paranoid. He really thought someone was going to take him out. He thought someone was going to kill him.
VERNON REID: We went out with a mission-I think that was true of all three bands. I made a statement about "One in a Million" onstage, and I remember afterward Keith Richards made it a point to come over to the dressing room and shake my hand. The first show was a little weird. Onstage, Axl said [that it might be the last Guns N' Roses show because] "There are too many people in this band dancing with Mr. Brownstone." He was real pissed.
STEVEN ADLER: He said to me "Just start playing 'Brownstone."' So I'm playing "Brownstone" and he comes out and says everybody's fucked-up on dope. He was so gone that I'm hiding there behind the drums thinking, "I don't know this guy."
On April 28, 1990, Rose marries longtime girlfriend Erin Everly, daughter of the Everly Brothers' Don Everly, at Cupid's Wedding Chapel in Las Vegas. Less than a month later, Rose threatens divorce. The couple gets back together and then splits up again, annulling the marriage in January, 1991.
COLLEEN COMBS: Axl and Erin bought a house somewhere up in the Hollywood Hills after they got married.... They redesigned it, furnished it, pushed a grand piano through the French doors. They helicoptered in two topiary elephants. But they never moved in.
JOSH RICHMAN: Axl and Erin really wanted to be together. This was a guy who desperately wanted a family, having come from a busted family. The annulment happened right away.
MICHELLE YOUNG: Erin would call me and say, "Axl's crazy-he's throwing things around." She pushed his buttons, but I know that he loved her.
ERIN EVERLY (from a sworn deposition in her lawsuit against Rose for physical and mental abuse, which was later settled out of court): I was walking and he stubbed his toe behind me ... and started just attacking me and telling me it was my fault that he had stubbed his toe because he was coming to tell me something.
COLLEEN COMBS: Axl became vain, worrying about dyeing his eyebrows and eyelashes and going on prescription drugs for his hair and skin. He had his teeth fixed. He went on all-sushi diets.
ERIN EVERLY (from her deposition): Axl's beliefs were different than mine.... [After my dogs died] Axl believed that he had the dogs' souls transferred [into new dogs].... He said that I wasn't appreciative that he had given me the opportunity to have [our dogs] Torque and Geneva back, and that I should call [the new dogs] Torque and Geneva.
Over the course of 1990, Guns N' Roses begin work on songs for their follow-up to Appetite for Destruction. At the same time, drug problems begin to drive the band apart.
NIKKI SIXX: I'd been on tour, and I flew home, picked up Slash, and we went to The Cathouse and asked around about getting some smack. You always shoot yourself up-you never let anyone else shoot you up-but I was so drunk I said to the drug dealer, "Go ahead and fix me." I turned blue instantly.
STEVEN ADLER: I saved Nikki's life. I dragged him into the shower and put cold water on him. I had a broken arm and I was slapping him in the face with my cast. Then I finally got Slash's stupid girlfriend to call the paramedics. Nikki called me the next day and said, "Dude, what happened? My face is killing me."
JOSH RICHMAN: People got the impression that these guys were junkies, but Axl wasn't that way.
TOM ZUTAUT: Steven Adler would show up at the recording studio completely high. Recording sessions would abort for several days when he couldn't put it together.
STEVEN ADLER: They said the reason they threw me out of the band was because of drugs, but I thought that was the pot calling the kettle black. I was doing [drugs] with them. It hurt more than anything. They were my family.
LIVE AND LET DIE: 1990-1999
On October 30, Rose is arrested for allegedly hitting a West Hollywood neighbor over the head with a bottle after she complained about him playing music too loud. In January, the band debut new drummer Matt Sorum and new keyboardist Dizzy Reed in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, before continuing work on Use Your Illusion now planned as two companion albums.
SLASH: The recording process for the Use Your Illusion records was one of the hardest experiences. It took so much to get us together to write the new songs or to rehash the old ones that didn't make Appetite. But once we'd gotten over that hump, we went into the studio and recorded 30 songs.
MATT SORUM: There had been a four-year gap since Appetite came out-Lies was put out just to keep things going. We could have done anything and people would have bought it. But we recorded everything the band had ever written.
SLASH: "November Rain" was a song that was being kicked around on piano and acoustic guitar when we were doing preproduction for Appetite.... When we first wrote it, I think it was about 15 minutes long.
ALICE COOPER: I was staying in L.A. at the Sunset Marquis when Axl called me to do the vocal on "The Garden." When you're in the studio one-on-one with him, he's really amazing-the guy can really sing. I did my bit maybe three times, but Axl was a perfectionist-almost to the point where you want to say, "At some point, Axl, it's gotta be good enough."
MARK KOSTABI: Axl wandered into this gallery and saw the "Use Your Illusion" painting. The next day, one of his representatives called and asked if he could use it on the cover of his next record. He said that he had been writing about illusions, so it made sense.
JOSH RICHMAN: Axl said to me, "I want to make videos more out-there than Michael Jackson's." When we made the "November Rain" video, we brought all these models in. Axl desperately wanted Stephanie Seymour-period. That night they went to the set, which was being built in an airplane hanger out in the Valley. That was their first date. She left Warren Beatty the next day.
COLLEEN COMBS: Axl told me, "I've been hit by a Mack truck and the license plate said 'Seymour.'"
Expecting that the Use Your Illusion albums would be ready for release by summer, Guns N' Roses begin their "Get in the Ring Tour" (with Skid Row as an opening act) in late May, 1991. At Rose's "homecoming" show in Indianapolis, he compares young people there to "prisoners in Auschwitz" and is fined for performing past curfew. On July 2, Rose starts a riot at the Riverport Amphitheatre near St. Louis by leaping into the crowd to take a fan's camera; more than 50 people are injured and $200,000 worth of damage is done to the venue. As a result, the band's next two shows are canceled.
TOM ZUTAUT: On the eve of the tour, Axl told the rest of the band that the only way he would play was if they'd give ownership of the name to him. They were looking at canceling the tour and losing millions and millions of dollars, [so] they capitulated.
ROB AFFUSO: You always wondered if Axl was going to show up onstage. Sometimes the tour manager would run out and say, "We can't find Axl-keep playing." It got to be a commonplace thing. We were like, "What's going on with this guy?"
MATT SORUM: We'd spend $100,000 a night on parties. For two and a half years, there was something every night. One night was a Greek night-four greased-up, muscle-bound guys carried in a roast pig. I was so pissed off-I love pigs.
SLASH: If anything, the lifestyle became more of a hindrance, because we were a pretty volatile band that hadn't grown up much, [and we were] given all these opportunities to take advantage of the lavish surroundings and chicks.
MATT SORUM: We had limos on-call 24 hours, burgers at the Trump Tower that cost $35. The first night we played Giants Stadium, there was one pinball machine and a few bottles of booze backstage. Axl came in and said, "This isn't the Rolling Stones!" So the next night there's a full casino, tons of lobster, and champagne flowing everywhere.
After numerous delays caused by arguments over the final mix, Use Your Illusion I and II are released at the end of September. They debut in the top two spots on the Billboard album chart. Frustrated by Rose's increasingly erratic behavior, Stradlin announces that he will no longer tour with the band.
TOM ZUTAUT: The band was paying hundred of thousands of dollars in curfew violation fees. Izzy finally had it and went over to Axl's house and told him that if he insisted on going on late, the late fees should be charged to him. That was it-Izzy was out of the band.
GILBY CLARKE: I had known the guys through the early years-there was a very small contingent of people who thought bands like the New York Dolls and Hanoi Rocks were cool. When I heard Izzy was leaving, I threw my hat in the ring.
On April 20, 1992, despite objections from gay rights groups, Guns N' Roses participates in a Wembley Stadium tribute to late Queen singer Freddie Mercury, one of Rose's childhood heroes. The following month, the band-now augmented by a horn section and female back-up singers-begins the European leg of their tour, with Soundgarden and Faith No More as opening acts.
GILBY CLARKE: The best experience I had in the band was the Freddie Mercury tribute. Axl was awesome-he really respected Freddie Mercury. We went on on time, we played great together, and everybody got along. I thought it was very moving.
RODDY BOTTUM: Opening for them was an absurd situation for a band like Faith No More. Their scene was about excess, excess, excess. There were more strippers than road crew. We weren't into that type of male bonding. The only time I saw their show was when we were reprimanded for laughing about the absurdity of the touring environment in the press and told that we'd have to apologize to Axl or leave the tour. We made an attempt to explain where we were coming from, but I think it went over his head because as a sort of peace offering he brought us to a trailer backstage where two naked women strippers were having sex.
KEVIN QUINN: They had been on the road for so long by this time that they brought me out for their amusement "Let's get Kevin to fly out and tattoo us." They would give me aftershow passes to give to pretty girls, only the average age of these girls was 14 or 15. What were we gonna do with them-serve them soft drinks and thank them for coming to the show?
In an interview in an April 1992 issue of Rolling Stone, Rose says that therapy helped him recover memories of childhood sexual abuse. When he returns to America in July, Rose is arrested at New York's Kennedy Airport for assault and property damage charges relating to the St. Louis riot. The following month, the band begins a stadium tour with Metallica.
GILBY CLARKE: By then, Axl had a separate dressing room. We would be ready to play. What Axl was doing I had no idea.
JOSH RICHMAN: If there was a bad review, [manager] Doug Goldstein and I would be in the hotel stealing all the newspapers, because if Axl read it, who knows if he would get on the plane to the next city.
On August 8 at Montreal's Olympic Stadium, Metallica cut their set short after singer James Hetfield is seriously burned by onstage pyrotechnics. Rose walks offstage after 15 minutes, and more than 2, 000 fans clash with police while exiting the venue, resulting in 13 injuries.
GILBY CLARKE: Somebody said there was a big accident and it would be really great if we could go on early. So we did. But because of all the frantic stuff, the sound wasn't together by the time we got onstage. I remember Axl coming up to me and going, "I can't hear myself." The next thing you know, he left.
LARS ULRICH: After we left, it was up to Guns to play a blinding three-hour set, but that didn't happen. And quite a few kids who were upset about it found ways to show their displeasure toward the fine facilities of Olympic Stadium. Axl's so pure or set in his own ways that if he can't go out and deliver 110 percent, he'd rather not deliver. That was the wrong night to have monitor problems.
LEMMY KILMISTER: We played with Guns N' Roses at the Rose Bowl then, and they were already fragmenting. Axl was on his own-it didn't feel like they were thinking as a band anymore.
Already feuding with Motley Crüe and Poison, Rose trades insults with Kurt Cobain and wife Courtney Love backstage at the 1993 MTV Video Music Awards. At the end of the year, he disrupts a planned Christmas party at the Malibu home he shares with Seymour and allegedly physically abuses her-an incident that leads them to file lawsuits against each other.
TOM ZUTAUT: Courtney Love said something rude to Axl and it got ugly. Guns N' Roses were the ultimate rock stars and Nirvana were the ultimate anti-rock stars. It was particularly painful to Axl because he loved Nirvana's music.
STEPHANIE SEYMOUR (from her sworn declaration in connection with legal action against Rose): I had a verbal argument with Rose ...[and he] announced that there would be no Christmas party.... Guests began to arrive in the late afternoon [and] at some point in the middle of the party, Rose entered the house, slammed the door, was obviously very angry, went upstairs and then came downstairs and left the house again.... [My mother] went to speak to him ...[and] Rose began yelling and screaming at her and ultimately told her in no uncertain terms that she was not welcome in his house. Thereafter, most of the people at the party left.... When I attempted to talk to Rose to address the issues that had upset him, Rose started yelling and swearing.... He then lifted up the kitchen table, knocking off bottles and glasses. I reached for Rose in an attempt to calm him. However, he would not be consoled and he was clearly out of control.
In May of 1993, after two and a half years on the road, Guns N' Roses ends their Illusion tour. In December, Geffen releases "The Spaghetti Incident?", an album of punk rock covers the band had recorded during the Illusion sessions and on the road. Despite the group's pledge to donate the royalties to the son of one of his victims, their inclusion of a song by Charles Manson as a bonus track prompts calls for a boycott of Geffen. In 1994, at the L.A. studio The Complex, Rose experiments with updating Guns N' Roses' sound, alienating Clarke and Slash, who both record solo albums. The group records the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" for the soundtrack to Interview with the Vampire as of now their last released song.
GILBY CLARKE: Axl played me the Manson song, "Look at Your Game Girl," and I said, "That's pretty good." Then he told me what it was and I just went, "What?"
TOM ZUTAUT: The Manson thing was much more problematic than "One in a Million." I could never understand why that song was so important to Axl.
MATT SORUM: I had produced [techno songstress] Poe and there were drum loops in the songs, and Axl wanted that. But Slash is a rock guitarist. He doesn't want to do techno-industrial.
GILBY CLARKE: I just wanted to play guitar in a loud version of the Rolling Stones. Axl wanted to change the direction of the band, and I was the first one dumped.
TOM ZUTAUT: Axl had a vision that GN'R should change and Slash had an attitude that Guns N' Roses was Guns N' Fucking Roses and that's who they were. I don't think they could get over their breakdown in communication. It wasn't announced publicly because nobody wanted to say the band had broken up.
SLASH: I went into the studio, and I think we got the Slash's Snakepit record together in two weeks. Once the record was finished, the GN'R hiatus was extended even longer, so I took the thing on the road, and that was that.... There's really not much to say. I'm not a person to quit anything, but it got to the point where it was a miserable experience and I had to leave.
MICHELLE YOUNG: Axl's anger had quadrupled from the person I used to hang out with. He used to be very carefree.
As various versions of Guns N' Roses continue to rehearse at The Complex, Rose is sued by Clarke for using his likeness in the band's promotional material. Over the course of 1996 and 1997, Rose briefly adds guitarist Zakk Wylde, drum programmer Chris Vrenna, and former Pearl Jam drummer Dave Abruzzese, and parts ways with Slash, Sorum, and McKagan.
MATT SORUM: Axl got metaphysical and started spending a lot of time in Sedona, Arizona. These people were taking advantage of a guy with millions to blow on lunacy.
ZAKK WYLDE: Axl called me up and said, "Hey, you want to get together and do some jamming?" I'd say "Dude, did you come up with any lyrics yet?" And he's just like, "Dude, I got people suing me right now." He's on the phone with his lawyers 24-7. He was, like, "I can't come up with any lyrics right now-they'd be about every other lawsuit I got going."
MOBY: Being the most successful rock star on the planet for a few years really took a psychological toll, and I think he invested a lot in his marriage and his friendships with the people in the band-and those things fell apart.
SLASH: I still play with Duff, with Matt, and with Izzy from time to time. I keep in touch with pretty much everybody. And I don't want to say that I don't miss working with Axl. I just miss working with him under the circumstances that I would consider optimum.
MATT SORUM: It got really bad. The band was going down the toilet. We grew up listening to great bands like Led Zeppelin and the Stones. Guns N' Roses made that kind of music and the lifestyle we wanted went with it-rock music, drugs, and women. You see these bands today talking about the excess and shit on VH1. It's all, "Waah waah, whine whine." It wasn't "waah"-it was a blast.
Working with several other musicians and producers, Rose amasses thousands of hours of tapes with song fragments and musical ideas, none of which have been heard publicly. On February 10, 1998, he is arrested in the Phoenix airport for disorderly conduct. He has not made a public appearance since then.
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A Serious Case of that Beautiful Disease
Metal Edge, June, 1999
by Mike G
Former Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan sat on top of the world for awhile. Guns ruled - then they fell apart. Quickly. For Duff, post-Guns life was drugs, alcohol, punk bands, ill health, and a serious hospital stay where docs told him that if he had just one more drink, he'd die. He took that to heart, got right, found a lady, and had a baby. Today, at 34, he looks and sounds great. His second solo CD, Beautiful Disease, is an ambitious affair filled with great hooks, intriguing autobiographical originals, surprising Duff vocals, and a baby-new view of the world that finds the formerly-jaded L.A. kingpin hooked on natural day-to-day life. Sober, smart, and literate. Duff McKagan deserves to be heard.
MG: Congratulations on your Beautiful Disease. It's punky, brash, heavy, and has more than a few surprises! Great guitar! Your vocals are another pleasant surprise. I loved it.
DM: Thanks. I want you to know, before we start, that this is my first interview for this solo project. I wanted Metal Edge to be first'¦ Anyway, I really took a step back. I had a bunch of songs. I went in to record. I wasn't gonna sing. Nope. I wasn't sure what I would do, but when I went to lay down the tracks in my home studio'¦ Oh wait, let me tell ya' about this great home-recording studio I have! It's the real deal. It's one of the things I did when I bought the house. I said, "Hey, if nothing else, I'm gonna make it into a studio and I can always record, if not for the public, definitely for myself!" So, I wasn't gonna sing at first, ya' know? But I started singing anyway, and was pushed by a few people I had up to the house for maybe them to sing. They heard the songs I sang and they just went, "Man, this has possibility."
MG: Many of these songs are so personal, like "Who's To Blame," about the break-up of Guns N' Roses. Who else is gonna sing lines like, "Some people think I went and threw it away," or, "I don't care anymore, so tired of thinking it through"? Only you!
DM: Still, I had some really soulful guys singing that stuff. I had Stevie Ray Vaughan's singer, the guy from Arc Angels, and he said, "Dude, you should sing your own songs." And he was amazing! That gave me confidence.
MG: Let's get the Guns N' Roses stuff out of the way. You were offered large sums of money to return to the band that Axl Rose is currently putting back together, were you not?
DM: Yeah, I was. But it's nothin' but big business these days. That's where it all went, and I was wrapped up right in the middle of it. I had folks yelling in my ear, "Hey man, you can't walk away from this million and that million, blah, blah, blah." I had been doing it more for other people then myself. The manager, the label, the band, a bunch of other people. I finally woke up one day, I swear to god, it was just like, "Well, I never started doing this for the money in the first place. So'¦" Hey, when I moved down to Hollywood, I never thought money when it came to music. There was no way I was ever in music for money. Fame, yeah. Girls, yeah. To be up there on stage, shit yeah. But money? And it didn't really hit me until I had already got the house, the car, then two houses, then two cars, and I realized, whoa, I was doing it for the money. It wasn't fun anymore. So when they asked me back, I asked myself, "If I went back now, it would only be for the money, so why should I start doing it for the money now?" No way. It was ridiculous. It was an absolutely ridiculous thought and that's when I just went, "Screw this, screw the lawyers and the accountants and everything else that's supposed to be so damn important. I want out. I wanna do my music." So that's what I did.
MG: When Guns first came out, rock 'n' roll was stagnant, and you guys hit like a shot of dynamite. I'll never forget seeing you at the Beacon Theater in New York, thinking, "Wow, these guys are gonna save rock 'n' roll!" There was such an aura of total unpredictability to your live show, like no band since The Doors. Appetite For Destruction is still one of the greatest rock albums ever, your videos were all over TV, then it all unraveled fast. What the hell happened?
DM: Don't you think I've asked myself that same question over and over? I don't know, man. Because if there was one thing about the band, we were such a family. We really did do it totally on our own. We didn't have a manager at the beginning, we did everything - we got a lawyer and we got our deal. We didn't trust anybody, and rightfully so. This secret society was created, it was us against everybody else. Nobody could really get in and we thought to ourselves, "Nothing could ever tear us apart!"
MG: Was it the drugs?
DM: Not so much. You know what it was? It was the fame. It was the press. It was the almost unlimited power. We got too fuckin' huge, too fast. It got so big, so fast, that in most countries, we couldn't even go out after the show when we were on tour. I remember we'd all be sittin' in the damn hotel room watching CNN just to see what was going on. It was that kind of isolation, that kind of fame'¦ and of course, us trying so hard to be bad boys like The Rolling Stones. For me, personally, it was one of the darkest points of my life when we were that big. It was so unreal. Izzy left halfway through the Illusions tour. We still were holding on to that band family thing. And like a trooper, he came back out on the road with us - even though his heart wasn't in it - when Gilby broke his wrist. Later, he told me we were like zombies. Nobody on the stage was even talking to each other. It wasn't because we were hating each other, we were just kind of going through the motions. So scary. In Europe and South America, especially, it was fanatical, and we were just dazed. WE WERE FUCKING ZOMBIES! Izzy couldn't believe the change. I mean, we were hell-bent on doing whatever we had to do to continue. There were riots in the streets. We couldn't go from our cars to the gig. That shit scared the hell out of me. Yet, through it all, I still thought we were gonna pull it together after we got off that long tour. It started to happen again for a second for us. I got excited again'¦ For about a minute. But no, it was just too big a business, and none of us had the training for that.
MG: At what point did you think it was gonna come back together?
DM: We started going to Slash's house. I'd gone out on the road promoting my first solo record [1993's Belive In Me]. I was touring Europe and Japan, then I got sick. That's when I started visiting Slash at his house. He has a little studio there and we had a batch of songs. But, ya' know what? Without Izzy, we just weren't writing the old way. We had a bunch of great songs, but the way we uses to write wasn't all sitting in a room and trying to force ourselves to be a family. We just were. But there was a point up there where it was looking good and we started cranking out songs, but it just started falling apart.
MG: Now Slash isn't even involved. Neither are you or Izzy. What's gonna run through your mind when you see and hear Axl up there fronting "Guns N' Roses" again?
DM: Aah. I don't know. I can't answer that until it happens. I mean, it really isn't part of my life anymore so I don't think about it that much. Of course, it was a huge part of my life. I gotta admit, it was a magical time. [speaking softly] We really were an amazing band. The electricity in the room when we rehearsed was incredible. You could feel it! You can't match what we had. I love a lot of different music, and the guys Axl's got playing now are great guys, I know them all, but it's not Guns. Commercially, I think that's where it's going, that's the reason. What a shame. You and I can talk and remember the Beacon gig, or the Ritz gig, and say it was good. It was amazing, but big business rules all. I have to look at it now with that sort of cold eye. That's what it is and that's the way it's going. I've got to move on and I'm happy the way I am. I am so glad I'm not there. Axl's a good guy, but we tried and it just didn't happen. The timing wasn't right.
MG: I guess we could call you a rock 'n' roll survivor, with your severe drug and alcohol problems. You've been sober five years now?
DM: Pretty close'¦ I'm getting there. Studying martial arts has helped immensely. I'm studying with the real guys, guys that have what it takes to get a real black belt. Now, you pay two grand and you can buy a damn black belt these days. It means next to nothing anymore, it's like buying doughnuts. Especially in Los Angeles - there's a dojo in every strip mall. But back in the day of the real full-contact karate, these guys I train with would just tape up their knuckles with black duct tape or black electrical tape, tape up their toes, and go. That was it. They'd really blood each other out, really hurt each other, but that was the development of American contact fighting.
MG: It's more then just fighting. Isn't it a whole mindset? Didn't it help you in getting straight.
DM: Oh yeah. The physical part of it is only about 30-percent. My sensai trains a lot of kickboxing champions, and I'll get in the ring as just a sparring partner for somebody getting ready to fight. I'll get my ass kicked, but I'll get in the ring. That's how far you can go without any fear. And it has nothing to do with being a macho guy. It has more to do with being so at peace with yourself that you can do anything without fear. It gave me the self confidence to walk and talk without compromising. I got broken down to a point where I was below human, but through a lot of work, a lot of pain, and a lot of truth, I'm back. And I'm glad for every minute of it.
MG: So you're totally straight now. You don't have one drink.
DM: Nothing. The thing is, I don't crave it. I'm a recovering drug addict. "Recovering" means I'll be that was until I the day I die. That was a different life. Physically, I broke down my muscles to the point where big poisonous boils were actually coming out of my skin! This is when I was kicking drugs and trying to get back into shape. The condition was so hardcore, that stuff was just oozing out from deep within me. But, it's all out of my system now. I don't even crave a drink or anything. It's totally cool.
MG: Let's get to the songs on Beautiful Disease. Opener "Seattle Head" is really heavy. Funny, I know you're from there, always had a lot to do with underground punk bands in that area, but the song is about L.A.!
DM: Ya' know that chunka-chunka type guitar at the beginning? Well, I was in a band after Guns called Neurotic Outsiders [with Sex Pistols guitarist Steve Jones, Duran Duran's John Taylor, and Guns drummer Matt Sorum]. That's when I wrote this. I had brought my Marshall head down from Seattle and one of the engineers asked me how I got that chunka-chunka sound. I said, "Oh, it's my Seattle head." And it stuck. It's that simple.
MG: You seem to have this love-hate relationship with L.A.
DM: [laughing] Oh, you noticed! There are a lot of things I hate about L.A. I mean, I live here, I'm not complaining, it's just the truth. I discovered it when I first moved here. You think of Hollywood being this really glamorous place. It's a cesspool! The stark really hit me quick. Bam! I moved here to get out of that! I lived right in the middle of a lower class area of Hollywood and it was like, "Wow, this place is just drugs and crime." And I dove straight in, head-first. At one point we were the total kingpins of that scene. So I developed this relationship with the city. I'd fly into Los Angeles and tell friends, "Look at this fuckin' place. I've got this place by its balls!" But is that really where I want to be?
MG: So the first three songs - "Seattle Head," "Who's To Blame" and "Superman" - are hard 'n' fast, then comes "Song For Beverly," a stunning and somber pop meditation. Who is Beverly?
DM: A supermodel friend of my girlfriend Susan. Susan told me a story one night of the first black model on the cover of Vogue. Really cool. She just did it on own terms but she started getting into drugs and she had a little baby girl and she just totally disappeared. So weird, man. She just vanished. Took her girl and gone. Did she mix with the wrong crowd? It's a mystery. [She finally turned up, by the way, complete with baby, to make the rounds of the television talk-shows.]
MG: "Shinin' Down" - Are your talking about the concept of a higher power here, like what they teach you when you're rehabbing from drugs?
DM: No. I didn't go to rehab, I went to the hospital. My rehab was a lot different from the norm. Effective as hell, though. Ya' see, my pancreas blew up so bad, I was admitted into a regular hospital. I saw an image of my doctor's face turning white. I was going to die. Another surgeon came in, and I had to sign something. Meanwhile, I'm out of it on morphine, but sensing I'm to die, I let them cut out my pancreas to put me on dialysis. And then my mom - she's got Parkinson's Disease - she's crying. I even saw myself above the bed, like I was floating up by the ceiling. I question everything, ya' know? I've had two really close calls now where I saw some things. You can read these books like Into The Light, but I'm telling you, I saw something and I was enveloped by something. It was great. If they could make a pill of this and give it to everybody in the world, we'd never have a war again. Whatever it was, some people say it's just nerves firing off massive amounts of endorphins. I can't put it to that. I don't know what it was but it was something. It was bright and it was warm and I was very, very fine with going to where it was taking me. It was amazing and I'm not scared of death because of it. So whatever it is, I think "Shinin' Down" has a lot to do with it.
MG: "Missing You," about the loss of a friend to heroin, is incredible because of its sheer use of dynamics, plus its inherent lyrical anger. It's so true. At some point, you have to realize that junkies are the most selfish people in the world. So to hell with them! And that's what you're saying in the song.
DM: [excited] You get it! You get the song! I'm so glad to hear that. I wasn't sure if people would get it. I lost so many best friends to heroin. This song's about [songwriter] Wes Arkeen in particular. Wes trained with me. He lasted a year. I got him out of the hospital with gangrene on both of his arms. Open abscesses. They were going to remove both arms! So he came from that to my dojo and turned into another person. I thought, "Aah, he's finally made it." But I told him again - I said, "Wes, if you ever go back to heroin, I can't go through the pain of you dying, so I swear to god, I'm gonna just detach myself from you 'cause you are gonna die." Sure enough, after a few years, he fell back in. When a friend of his died in his bathroom, I thought that would make him up. It didn't. So I stopped returning his calls. He would call so stoned. I'd hang up. Until someone else called me to tell me he was dead. He was my best friend! But there was only so much you could do, and my first reaction was, I WAS PISSED!
MG: The song is rockin' yet it's wise. It's got some truly cool chord changes and thar wonderfully strange intro. Then there's "Hope" and "Rain," two songs I thought I'd never hear from Duff McKagan.
DM: That's me, really! "Hope" is about how we think the world's gonna end. Sure, we have the capability of ending it all with nuclear missiles, and the worth of human life seems like nothing what with drive-by shootings and Bosnia. But, ya' know what? Fuck that. There have been atrocities in the world for centuries. We're just another crux of ugliness'¦ Hey, that's a good name for a band, Crux Of Ugliness. A hardcore band'¦ I've seen a lot of stuff. Everybody has. I believe every human being has some really great qualities on the inside. I don't care who it is. That's what the song's about. Start laughing instead of crying, because the end is nowhere near. Take a step back and look at the whole situation. Worry about yourself and your loved ones first. If everybody does that, everything should lighten up and be OK.
MG: "Beautiful Disease" is life itself, isn't it? It's seeing the world through brand new eyes. Like a baby. Or someone reborn. Or like through the eyes of a former junkie who's now straight. Loving every minute of life itself.
DM: [softly] Wow man, you really got it again. That's perfect. Ya' know, I hope you're a good indicator of how other people will take it. Life was new to me. Just focusing and being able to read books'¦ I could see the words, man! It began with simple things like that. You know what I mean? Have you been through it yourself?
MG: I've always been a believer in the old adage, "All things in moderation."
DM: You're fortunate. You created your own luck because you've never been dumb enough to take it that far.
MG: But you did, and now you're experiencing life to the fullest.
DM: Yeah. It's this new thing that I found - Life itself! And I certainly don't take it for granted anymore. I've got a baby girl. Everything about her is so amazing. The guys I've got in my band. Everything is just so cool. I could go on. I drive down and just look at houses. Study the architecture. Simple things that I never stopped to fathom. Stuff I hadn't thought about since I was 14.
MG: Talked to Steven Adler [original Guns drummer] lately? I know you're trying out new drummers, why not Adler?
DM: I'd use him in a second, but he's another one of those guys that you know the phone call is gonna come'¦ I mean, I hate to say that, because I love the guy, but I think he's back in jail now. Drugs'¦ I saw him about two years ago - Izzy, Wes and I went to his house. We tried to talk to him - "Hey man, you're gonna die," we said. It didn't work. He was a mess. If I let him drum in my band, he'd fool himself into thinking he was OK because I was using him. I'd be what's called an "enabler." And I wont do that.
#473 Re: 1994 » 1994: Chinese Whispers » 928 weeks ago
Axl's Solo Album
"Nick: Yeah, I was wondering, since Duff did his solo album and Slash, you worked on that Jimi tribute album, is anyone else gonna do any solos or work on any other albums?
Slash: Um... Tell you truth, Duff's solo album... Gilby's doing one, it's pretty much finished. That's basically it. I don't have any plans to do... I don't think Axl... You do have one.
Axl: I'm hoping to... I'm trying to put a project together that is kind of a top-secret weapon right now.
Steve Downs: Oh, really?
Axl: Yeah." (Axl & Slash, Rockline, 01/03/94)
"There was a point there where Axl goes: 'I'm gonna do a solo record, and I'm gonna get Trent Reznor and Dave Navarro, and [Dave Grohl,] the drummer from Nirvana...' and so on. And it's like, he doesn't even know half of these people. He's just pulling them out of the sky." (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"Trent Reznor from NIN is one [guy I want to work with], and Dave Navarro from Jane's Addiction is another... I've talked to Trent about working with me on an industrial synth project, at least on one song, and I definitely want to work with Dave on something. I've always been curious what he would sound like working with Slash on something." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)
"It's within our contracts to do [a solo album]... There's no rules, you can do it way under budget so it doesn't cost a lot and the only thing I can do [with mine,] is promote it as much as I can so for the amount of the effort spent, the money that goes into it, that I do what I can for it." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)
"And I was like, 'Cool! Do your thing. That way you'll get it out of your system, and when you get back we'll just be Guns N' Roses.'" (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"Then [Axl] decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)
"Aftonbladet: You, Duff McKagan, Gilby Clarke... The most people in the band have made records outside Guns. Isn't Axl going to do a solo-record soon?
Slash: Axl thinks that Guns is his solo-project." (Slash, Aftonbladet, 04/02/95)
#474 Re: 1994 » 1994: Chinese Whispers » 928 weeks ago
The Snakepit - Written.
"Slash has been working on a lot of things, working on a lot of riffs with the band... Other than that, we're not even sure how we're gonna approach writing for this next album." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)
"It's our band. So if I write something, my first and foremost priority would be to dedicate it to Guns... Initially, I was just writing what I thought was cool. I was a kid in a toy store. I had a studio in my house. Get up in the morning. Literally. Press "on." Plug in your guitar and go." (Slash, Rolling Stone, 04/95)
"Slash: I just delivered my last tape to Axl. My latest tape to Axl.
Steve Downs: Just minutes ago.
Axl: I've been eagerly awaiting." (Axl & Slash, Rockline, 01/03/94)
"We would write these songs in one night. When I first started writing stuff, Matt and I would get together - here's this riff, here's that riff - we'd finally get from point A to B and put it all together and leave it at that. There wasn't a lot of orchestration, like 'November Rain'. There were no vocals on it at this point but the songs were arranged... So I put all these songs down, Matt and I would play them - I played bass." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)
"We just jam a lot, you know. We just get together and play and all our musical roots and all that kinda shit are still intact. You know what I mean. So, like... We've been working on songs for the next record and all we do is like, jam up at my house. Well, up until the earthquake. The studio is now down. [laughs]" (Slash, Canadian radio, 01/94)
"Gilby got involved and Mike Inez got involved. Gilby redid all the rhythm guitar parts that I'd already recorded and Inez came down and redid the bass parts. That was very fortunate because I'm not a good bass player." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)
"The coolest omen," says Slash, "was the night I recorded three songs and mixed them that night, which I normally wouldn't do. I went to bed with the DAT in my hand, all 14 songs... And it was like Godzilla came to town... The time was 4:31 a.m., Jan. 17, 1994. The Godzilla in question was L.A.'s 6.7 earthquake." (Slash, Rolling Stone, 04/95)
"But, we've got 14 songs done, at this point and as soon as I get back to LA from Canada, I'm gonna rent a place to live next to the rehearsal studio and then we'll just go in there and start jamming. And that's how we hang out. That's what we do." (Slash, Canadian radio, 01/94)
Three days after the earthquake that leveled Slash's house, on 01/20/94, Axl performed The Beatles' Come Together with Bruce Springsteen in Elton John's Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. It was to be his last public performance for several years. It was time to get to work.
#475 1999 » Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder (MTV, 11/08/99) » 928 weeks ago
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Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999
It's been eight years since Guns N' Roses released an album, and that drought may be about to end.
Singer Axl Rose's new edition of GN'R, heavy in the industrial-crunch department, has a cut on the soundtrack of the new Arnold Schwarzenegger movie "End Of Days" and will be releasing a whole new album called "Chinese Democracy" sometime early in the next century, while the old Guns lineup, with guitarist Slash churning out the classic riffs, now exists only as a subject of lawsuits, apparently.
Axl Rose spoke with MTV News' Kurt Loder by phone from Los Angeles on Monday, November 8, and he had quite a bit of light to shed on all things Guns N' Roses...
The interview:
Loder: What have you been doing for the last six and a half years, since the last tour ended?
Rose: Trying to figure out how to make a record.
Loder: Ah, you already knew how to do that, right?
Rose: I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an "Appetite [For Destruction]" thing or something, because that would have been a lot easier for me to do. I was involved in a lot of lawsuits for Guns N' Roses and in my own personal life, so I didn't have a lot of time to try and develop a new style or re-invent myself, so I was hoping to write a traditional thing, but I was not really allowed to do that.
Loder: What prevented you from doing, like, a traditional rock record?
Rose: Slash.
Loder: [Laughs] But you could have found another guitar player or something, right?
Rose: Well, not really.... Not to make a true Guns record. It's kind of like, I don't know, if you know somebody has a relationship, and there's difficulties in that, and Mr. or Mrs. Right doesn't kind of just stumble into their path, or they don't stumble across that person, they can't really get on with things. Somebody didn't come into my radar that would have really replaced Slash in a proper way.
Loder: Yeah.
Rose: And it really wasn't something we were trying to do. We were trying to make things work with Slash for a very, very long time... about three and a half years.
Loder: Wow. Jeez. That's a shame, because it seemed like such a tight unit. This live album seems like a farewell to that era.
Rose: It is exactly that. It's a farewell to that.... It was something we wanted to give to the public in a way of saying farewell. It was a very difficult thing to do, as listening to it and the people involved... [it] wasn't the most emotionally pleasant thing to do.
Loder: Is it fair to say that we may never be hearing this stuff ever again? This old material?
Rose: No, no, that's not true at all. In fact, actually, I have re-recorded "Appetite" and--
Loder: You re-recorded "Appetite For Destruction?"
Rose: Yes, I have.
Loder: The whole album?
Rose: Yes.
Loder: Whoa.
Rose: Well, with the exception of two songs, because we replaced those with "You Could Be Mine," and "Patience," and why do that? Well, we had to rehearse them anyway to be able to perform them live again, and there were a lot of recording techniques and certain subtle styles and drum fills and things like that that are kind of '80s signatures that subtly could use a little sprucing up... a little less reverb and a little less double bass and things like that.
Loder: Who are the musicians who have re-recorded "Appetite?"
Rose: Josh Freese on drums, Tommy Stinson on bass, Paul Tobias on guitar -- you guys know him as Paul Huge, that's how it's been written everywhere. It's Paul Tobias on guitar, and Robin Finck was on lead guitar, but that... that will stay on some of it. Robin's guitar will stay on some, but not all. I don't know what I'm going to do with it, exactly, when I would be putting that out. But you know, it has a lot of energy. Learning the old Guns songs and getting them up, you know, putting them on tape, really forced everybody to get them up to the quality that they needed to be at. Once the energy was figured out by the new guys, how much energy was needed to get the songs right, then it really helped in the writing and recording process of the new record.
Loder: At any time, were you thinking of keeping Duff [McKagan] or Matt Sorum or anybody on board too? Or was that all over from the beginning?
Rose: That was their choice to leave. Everybody that's gone did it by choice. Matt was fired, but Matt came in attempting to get fired and told many people so that night. So it's kind of like everybody left by choice. They really didn't think I was going to figure out a way to make a record, [and they] didn't want to help really make a record. Everybody kind of wanted what they wanted individually rather than what's in the best interest of the whole.
Loder: This "End of Days" track, "Oh My God," is real, real different. Have you been listening to [or] working with samples and stuff a lot? Has your whole musical approach changed?
Rose: No, not a lot, no. Basically, [I'm] listening to everything that's out there as far as music goes. That was a big difference between myself and Slash and Duff, is that I didn't hate everything new that came out. I really liked the Seattle movement. I like White Zombie. I like Nine Inch Nails, and I like hip-hop. I don't hate everything. I don't think everybody should be worshiping me 'cause I was around before them.
So once it was really understood by me that I'm really not going to be able to make the right old-style Guns N' Roses record, and if I try to take into consideration what Guns did on "Appetite," which was to kind of be a melting pot of a lot things that were going on, plus use past influences, I could make the right record if I used my influences from what I've been listening to that everybody else is listening to out there. So in that sense, I think it is like old Guns N' Roses as far as, like, the spirit and the attempt to throw all kinds of different styles together. If you get to the second guitar solo in "Oh My God," Paul's doing a very Izzy Stradlin-Aerosmith-type riff in the middle of the song, which is a completely different thing than everything else that's going on in the music, but yet it blends. There's a disco drum beat in the post-chorus, in the heaviest section of the song. We blended a lot of things.
Loder: How much stuff have you got for this new album? You've been working on this for a long time. Is there just tons of material?
Rose: We've been working on, I don't know, 70 songs.
Loder: Oh!
Rose: The record will be about, anywhere from 16 to 18 songs, but we recorded at least two albums' worth of material that is solidly recorded. But we are working on a lot more songs than that at the same time... in that way, what we're doing is exploring so, you know, you get a good idea, you save it, and then maybe you come back to it later, or maybe you get a good idea and you go, "That's really cool, but that's not what we're looking for. Okay, let's try something new." You know, basically taking the advance money for the record and actually spending it on the record.
Loder: [Laughs] Not always the case, obviously.
Rose: No, and I don't want to be in a situation again where I have to depend on other people and have [to] start all over. So we have material that we think is too advanced for old Guns fans to hear right now and they would completely hate, because we were exploring the use of computers [along with] everybody really playing their ass off and combining that, but trying to push the envelope a bit. It's like, "Hmm, I have to push the envelope a little too far. We'll wait on that." So we got a list of things.
Loder: Are you involved in computer music yourself? Are you playing guitar now?
Rose: A little of both, a little of both.
Loder: How's your guitar playing coming along now?
Rose: It's all right. I just wanted to be good enough to be able to contribute what was needed to this main album. It took working on the majority of these things and at least the couple albums' [worth] of material to figure out what should be on the first official Guns album. I wouldn't say it's like, you know, that we recorded a double album, or that we have all of our scraps to be the second one. There is a distinct difference in sound. The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based.
Loder: Do you find it difficult to capture with a new group of musicians that same sort of group feeling that the original Guns had?
Rose: No. No, not with the particular people involved. To be honest, it was a long time for me since Guns N' Roses as the old lineup had been fun, and the new guys have been a breath of fresh air. People are really excited about what we got. They're really proud of it, and it was, again, it was just time. I'm not trying to put the other guys down. It's like, I think people really wanted to do different things other than try to figure out the right record here for Guns N' Roses. But at the same time, Guns N' Roses was a big thing. How do you walk away from that? It's a very complicated thing, I think, for everybody involved.
Loder: I gather that on the record there's going to be a piano version of a Black Sabbath song? How did that work out?
Rose: Oh, that's on the live [album]. I just like the piano song ["It's Alright"] and the words, and when you play it for people, they had no idea it was a Black Sabbath song.
Loder: [Laughs]
Rose: So it was just kind of fun, and then it worked out as a intro to "November Rain" live, and it just so happened that [it] came out well on tape, so we were able to use it. Del James worked for a couple of years off and on going though every single show we did on DAT tape from the "Use Your Illusion" tour and then every available tape, and finding tapes, and finding people that have recorded things, so he could have in his mind what was recorded best from the entire time Guns N' Roses was together. There were a lot of difficulties where things weren't... when they were recorded, when they were fully recorded to 24, 48 tracks, it wasn't recorded that well at times, and so it took a long time to find what tracks were available to use, because we had never officially recorded a show to make a live album.
Loder: When you listen to that stuff back now, do you think, "Wow, that was a great band, that was a great time," or are your feelings clouded?
Rose: For me, when I hear certain things on the "Use Your Illusion" tour, I... on that record, it's... since I'm in it, I can hear a band dying. I can hear when Izzy was unconsciously over it. I can hear where the band was leaning away from what Guns N' Roses [had] originally been about.
People may have their favorite songs, and it may be on "Use Your Illusion," but most people do tend to lean towards "Appetite" as being the defining Guns N' Roses record, and I can hear how, in the sound, it was moving away from that there. There's just so much I was able to do in keeping that aspect together.
Loder: Are you thinking now about a stage show? Is it close enough to be thinking how you're gonna present this live, or is that still pretty much still in the future?
Rose: In ways. What we're doing is we're rehearsing with different guitar players, and we're still recording. I'm doing the vocals. I'm about three-quarters of the way through, and it's a very difficult process for me.
I write the vocals last, because I wanted to invent the music first and push the music to the level that I had to compete against it. That's kind of tough. It's like you got to go in against these new guys who kicked ass. You finally got the song musically where you wanted to, and then you have to figure out how to go in and kick its ass and be one person competing against this wall of sound.
Why I chose to do it that way is that, you know, I can sit and write poetry 'til hell freezes over, and getting attached to any particular set of words... I felt that I would write to those words in a dated fashion, and we really wouldn't get the best music. "Oh My God" is a perfect example. When we finally got "Oh My God" where it needed to be, then I got the right words to it. With "Appetite," I wrote a lot of the words first, but in, like, "Oh My God," I wrote the words second, but the music was written like "Appetite." We kept developing it until it we got it right. [With] "Appetite," everything had been worked on, and worked on, and worked on. That was not the case with "Use Your Illusion."
Loder: You got Dave Navarro to play on this. Have you always been a fan of his playing?
Rose: I've always been a fan of Dave Navarro, to the point that when we got signed, I had a Jane's Addiction demo tape [laughs] and was actually trying to convince the record company, "No, no, no, no, I suck. We suck. These guys rock!" And I was trying to get Tom Zutaut, at the time [at Geffen], to sign Jane's Addiction, and he was actually in negotiations to sign them at one point. I was just into Jane's Addiction.
At the time... when we first put out "Appetite," it didn't go over so well, and MTV and John Cannelli there are really what broke us. I think you guys aired "Welcome to the Jungle" three times... [dramatically] going on your fourth now!
Loder: [Laughs]
Rose: That's really what finally got the public to find some interest in Guns N' Roses, and there was a lot less [interest] for Jane's Addiction. Where now, I think, we would consider Jane's Addiction one of the great rock and roll bands in the last however many years. They were a great band, they were a bit ahead of their time. I was a very big fan of them, and Dave.
Dave's a great guitar player. It's a different style. It's not like Guns N' Roses. It's not blues-based, and it's not all that Guns N' Roses is, and that was done on purpose. There will be elements of blues-based things on the new Guns record. It's a very diverse record. There's a lot of hip-hop beats, there's straight-ahead rock. But if someone says, "Hip-hop beats," what do you mean by that? Well, Radiohead uses beats that are similar to hip-hop beats. There's actual, "official" hip-hop beats and then there's "Radiohead-style" hip-hop beats, there's rock beats. Like I say, "Oh My God" has a disco beat in it. I read a review where somebody caught that. That made me laugh.
Loder: What's been knocking you out yourself lately? Is there anything today that you think is better than Jane's Addiction was back in the day?
Rose: I don't know about, like, as far as aggressive goes, but I really like the new Fiona Apple.
Loder: Really?
Rose: You know, I liked the last record, I like the new one. Who do I listen to that's aggressive? I think that the "End Of Days" soundtrack is a lot of fun. Limp Bizkit is fun. The White Zombie stuff is fun.
Loder: Do you think that stuff can be done in that old sort of [GN'R] style, that blues-based style, or do you think that's just over?
Rose: No, no, I don't think any style of music's over. I mean, look at [Lou Bega's] "Mambo #5."
Loder: True.
Rose: You could find ways to blend all kind of things. It really just takes the right song. I don't personally believe that was the interest of Guns or Slash, I don't believe the right song was the interest. I mean, what people don't know is, the [Slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it.
Loder: Really?
Rose: Oh, yeah! Duff walked out on it, and I walked out on it, because I wasn't allowed to be any part of it. It's like, "No, you do this, that's how it is." And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one.
Loder: Yeah, apparently so. Obviously, you've been working on all this music for the last six years. What else have you been doing? Do you go out a lot? Do you see shows?
Rose: You know I... I pretty much stay to myself, and that's about it.
Loder: Just kind of hang around the house?
Rose: [Laughs] I just, you know, I pretty much work on this record and, and that's about it. It takes a lot of time. I'm not a computer-savvy or technical type of person, yet I'm involved with it everyday, so it takes me a while.
Loder: Do you have a computer setup at home? Are you online?
Rose: Yeah, I have a full studio, and that causes me great pain and pleasure.
Loder: [Laughs] What are the painful parts, when it crashes?
Rose: Yeah. Just, you know, basically my inadequacy with modern machinery.
Loder: You're going to call this album "Chinese Democracy." What is the meaning of that, since there is no Chinese democracy, of course?
Rose: Well, there's a lot of Chinese democracy movements, and it's something that there's a lot of talk about, and it's something that will be nice to see. It could also just be like an ironic statement. I don't know, I just like the sound of it.
Loder: When do you think we will actually see this album? Is it possible to say early next year?
Rose: We're hoping. Yes, definitely, everything seems to be going well. Robin's departure was abrupt, sudden, you know, not expected...
Loder: He just wanted to get back to Nine Inch Nails, right?
Rose: [continuing] ... but at the same time, it's turned out to be a good thing. We've been able to push some of the guitar parts a step farther, that had he been here, it's not something that would have been considered, and I wouldn't have been rude enough to attempt to do that. Robin did a great job, but we've been able to up the ante a little bit. Dave came in and did something great on "Oh My God," and we've had a few other people come in, so that was a setback for a while, but then it's turned out to be a good thing.
Loder: People that hear "Oh My God," they might say that, "Gee, the new Guns is all this sound," but I think that what you're saying is that it's a bunch of different kinds of sounds.
Rose: It's a lot of different sounds. There's some other really heavy songs, there's a lot of aggressive songs, but they're all in different styles and different sounds. It is truly a melting pot.
I go back to listening to Queen -- you know, we're still hoping to have Brian May come in and do some tracks, and I got a fax today that he's coming in -- Queen had all kinds of different-style songs on their records, and that's something that I like. 'Cause I do listen to a lot of things, and I really don't like being pigeonholed to that degree, and it's something that Guns N' Roses seem to share [with Queen] a bit. With "Appetite," even though it seems to have the same sound, if you really go back, you can pull all the little parts from different influences. That's not really the case by the time we're on "Use Your Illusion." People are kind of set in their ways. ["Chinese Democracy"] is coming from all over the place.
Loder: Have you actually brought in any hip-hop guys to sort of, like, examine the roots of the rhythm now? Has Dr. Dre stopped by or anything?
Rose: No, we haven't done anything like that. It's been thought of, but it's kind of [like] we would really be wasting somebody else's time, as we're trying to figure out how to develop this ourselves. Maybe if it were to get closer to, say, mastering or mixing, maybe there could be something someone else could add to it.
Loder: Have you thought about maybe taking the boys out and playing on New Year's Eve or something? Are we gonna see you before...
Rose: Nah.
Loder: : No? None of that?
Rose: Nah!
Loder: Why not?
Rose: Na-nah-na-nah!
Loder: [Laughs] It could be fun.
Rose: [Laughs]
Loder: Where are you going to be on New Year's Eve?
Rose: Have no idea.
Loder: So we'll see you some time this new year, right? You will be around?
Rose: Yeah, we'll be around. I'm not working on all this to keep it buried. We plan on getting out there and doing it right. The new guys are a lot of fun, and like I say, we will be continuing to look for and or decide who the official new guitar player will be, but it's not that important to the band at this time, as that person's not really needed. There's not a whole lot for them to do at this time in regards to recording, as we've recorded [a] majority of material.
Loder: But you continue to audition, right?
Rose: Yes, we do. Yes, we do, and there's some people who have done a really great job. It's just not something we're prepared to make a complete decision on at this time.
Loder: Okay, well, we're dying to hear this stuff. I hope you get it out sometime real soon.
Rose: All right, man. Later.
#476 1994 » War Of The Roses! (Kerrang, 05/24/94) » 928 weeks ago
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War Of The Roses!
Kerrang! 494 May 24, 1994
What the hell is up with GUNS N' ROSES?! At the start of '94, Guns axeman Slash told Kerrang! that the next GN'R album would be out in the Summer - now rhythm guitarist GILBY CLARKE reckons: There is no next album! What's more, Why doesn't even know if he's in the band or not! He tells all in this shock K! exclusive! Interview by LISA JOHNSON.
WHEN GILBY Clarke joined Guns N' Roses, the most controversial rock 'n' roll band in the world were in a state of crisis. Guitarist Izzy Stradlin, a founder member and chief songwriter, had quit a couple of months into a world tour.
With Gilby, Guns gelled again. The tour finished smoothly, and was followed by the release of 'The Spaghetti Incident?', Gilby's first recording with the group.
Two years after he joined the band, Gilby is preparing to release his first solo album, `Pawn Shop Guitars'. But not everything is as cool as it seems.
Guns N' Roses are again in turmoil - and there isn't a damn thing that Gilby Clarke can do about it! The following conversation happened just last week in Los Angeles...
Kerrang!: What have you been up to lately, Gilby?
Gilby: "I practised today. Well, first I woke up very early..."
K!: Like, eight?
G: "No. I meant like about 11! I got on my motorcycle and I went to an interview for a video director. And then I went to rehearsal, cos we're changing guitar players in my solo band. We're changing Jo (Dog, ex-Dogs D'Amour) for Ryan. Jo's great, but Ryan is just more diverse. Ryan can play the Rock stuff and the Blues stuff, where Jo can only play the Blues stuff."
K!: Is this the Gilby Clarke Experience?
G: "I don't know what it's gonna be called!"
K!: Who is Ryan; how do you know him?
G: "Ryan Roxie was in my old band, Candy, with me. I was the guitar player. And then we had a year when we didn't know what we were doing, and that's when I started singing and Ryan became the guitar player. The black Candy year!"
K!: How was your solo show at the Viper Room?
G: "Oh, God, it was wild! It was one of those nights! There was just so much going on so fast. I thought, `Oh, this is gonna be kinda casual, this'll be fun'. And I got there and the f**king line was around the block! I didn't know it would be like that."
K!: Were there any celebrities there?
G: No, just Tommy...
K!: Tommy?...
G: "Tommy Lee (Motley Crüe drummer), and John (Corabi), the singer. Matt (Sorum, GN'R drummer) was there. And my friend from Depeche Mode showed up. (DM singer Dave Gahan lives in LA with his wife - an old friend of Gilby's.) There was just too mucn going on. As soon as I was offstage, I just jumped into my corner booth."
K!: What is a typical day for Gilby Clarke?
G: "It's pretty simple. I start out with my coffee out by the pool (he laughs at himself). I really do do that every day! And then I'm always running around town. I got a lot of business and stuff. I always do that in the morning. I'm on the phone for the first couple of hours. Then I get on the motorcycle and go do whatever I have to do.
"Usually, I'm at Slash's every night. We work on new material and different things, whether it's my stuff, his stuff or whatever. He's got a studio in his house. We're working on some stuff right now - me, him and Matt. GN'R's not gonna do anything, so we just go up to Slash's place and work.
"Slash doesn't like not working. He has to have something to do. And I'm just the same. So that's it. My wife Daniella and I have dinner together, and then I head up to Slash's. Spend the night there."
K!: You don't actually spend the night...
G: "I do sometimes. We usually work till about five or six in the morning."
K!: Your first child is due in June. How do you think things will change then?
G: "With the baby? 1 think everything's gonna change. It's gonna be strange because it's hard to say, but there's gonna be someone coming into my life who's gonna be the most important thing.
"It's gonna be weird, because me and Daniella just mess around a lot, but now there's gonna be someone who's gonna take everything from us. You know, all of our attention. Everything we do is gonna be for the baby."
K!: Will you have a nanny?
G: "We don't know yet. Since both of us are home all day, we don't know that we'll really need one. But we'll see what happens. Everyone says that we're gonna get one, but we don't want one."
K!: Will you take the baby everywhere?
G: "Yeah. When we go out on the road, I'm gonna hole up in the back of the bus and that'll be me and Daniella's room with the baby."
K!: Is Slash gonna be the godfather?
G: (laughs) "No. I wouldn't trust him with it - he wouldn't know what to do! No, he's a pretty good father. He's got a baby cougar - it's like having a kid, and he's been really good with it.
"The cougar's cool; we hang out with him a lot. Now he's getting big, he's like eight months old, and he's the same size as me now - he's 150 pounds! He's fun. If you're sitting there playing pinball, he'll stalk you and pounce on you. It's fun. He's got a really good personality."
K!: How much has your life changed since being in Guns N' Roses?
G: "As a person, I don't think I've changed at all. I don't think I've mellowed or gotten wilder. I think I'm pretty much the same.
"The only thing that's different is that financial things are more taken care of. But then, again they're not... You know, I have a house and I got more cars and motorcycles, but now I gotta work to pay for 'em! People always say, `Well, you have more money'... I say, `Maybe I have a couple more zeros, but my debts also have a couple more zeros'!"
K!: How's the next GN'R album progressing?
G: "There is no `next GN'R album'!"
K!:EVER?!
G: "I don't know about ever. For now. We started working on one, and it got canned."
K!: How come?
G: "Well, it's an Axl thing. He just wasn't into what we were doing, so he's kind of rethinking what he wants to do. He just kind of threw a wrench into everything that me, Slash and Matt had worked to. And then Duff came in.
"Duff and Axl have an idea what the album should be, and the rest of us have another idea. So right now, we're not gonna do anything. And anyway, from July to the end of the year, I'm not gonna be available, because I'm gonna be working on my record.
"If the band decide to make a record during that time, then there's a good chance I'm not going to be doing it."
K!: What about the rumour that you were fired by Axl last week?
G: "Nothing's happening right now. We're not gonna do anything. We were gonna do a lot of shows, but we're not gonna do 'em now. Nobody's really getting along right now. Everybody just called everything off, and we'll work on it when everybody feels like doing it again."
K!: My next question was going to be, how much have you been contributing to the writing?
G: "For a while there, I contributed a lot. But now, I don't know how much I'm going to contribute. Like I said, Axl pretty much threw a wrench into everything. He didn't like what we were all doing.
"It's Axl's band, and he runs it the way he wants. And whatever he wants to do is gonna happen. So we can work on songs all year long and come up with 20 songs, but when it comes down to it, if Axl writes 10 songs, he'll go, 'I want my 10 songs on the record'. And that's what's gonna happen.
"So as much as we work on 'em, it doesn't mean anything, because they may never get anywhere. Slash and I are working on some stuff right now together. It's stuff that we put together for the next GN'R record, stuff that isn't gonna make it now. So we're putting something together. We don't know if this is gonna be a Slash solo album or what it's gonna be."
K!: The single 'Since I Don't Have You' is out next week...
G: "It's a terrible song."
K!: Don't hold back! How do you really feel about it?
G: "I don't like it. When we did the Punk album (`The Spaghetti Incident?'), we'd record stuff on days off. We did 'Since I Don't Have You' in Boston in one day! I didn't think it was gonna be on the record.
"I dug cutting the T-Rex song - that was cool. But I thought we were making a Punk Rock cover album. And then it turned into being not a Punk Rock cover album! But, it's not my choice. When people ask me about the song, I just say, 'Look, I don't like it'."
K!: Maybe the kids'll love it.
G: "I don't know if they like that kind of stuff. They want Guns N' Roses and they want them to play songs like 'New Rose' and shit like that. And for the most part, that's what the band likes to play, too."
K!: `The Spaghetti Incident?'was your first recording with GN'R. How was that for you?
G:` "It was strange, because it wasn't like we went in to make an album, we did it as different things. They had seven songs already recorded, then I went in and re-did all Izzy's (former GN'R rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin) guitars or put on guitars where he didn't play on 'em.
"While we were on the road, we'd go and record a couple more songs here and there. We actually did a couple of Hanoi Rocks songs that never made it, and a bunch of Iggy Pop songs that never made it, though one did make it. We recorded a bunch of stuff over a year, every now and then. It was cool.
"It's really strange, because the band is like two separate things. There's the guys, everybody except for Axl, and then there's the band with Axl.
When we're on the road, we're always together. We hang out together, just like a band. But that's not including Axl. And then there's the band with Axl. He just kinda comes in and does what he does, puts the vocals on and all that kind of stuff. So when we're in the studio, it's cool. But, you know, I'd been playing with the band for two years before we recorded stuff."
K!: Was recording 'The Spaghetti Incident?' like a party, a casual studio atmosphere?
G: "That's exactly what it started as. When we go in the studio, it's not like we go in and make a record - like 'Alright, we're goin' to work'. That's not it. It's more like, `Hey, we're goin' to the studio. Hey, cool!'. We hang out and we record a little, then we go and we play a little pinball. It's really fun. When the band, for the most part, is together, we have a really good time. It's really not like work at all."
K!: Were you freaked out when you bust your arm and Izzy filled in for you on a bunch of European dates last year?
G: "A little bit. But I was so drugged up I didn't really notice it!
"Yeah, it was really strange, but when it first came up I was literally still in a hospital bed. I'd just gotten my wrist reset. And that's when they brought it up. 'Well, we can't cancel the tour. Who are we gonna get to play guitar?'. And I'm like, 'Wait a minute...'. And so they came up with the Izzy idea.
"In the back of my head I was going, 'Well, I don't think that's a very good idea', because what if Axl goes, `Hey, this is kinda cool, let's just get Izzy back'. But it didn't happen that way.
"It was nice - as soon as I got home, Izzy called me and we talked for a while. He just did it to see the guys, cos he hadn't seen 'em in a while. And then it was funny because I had Izzy on one line going, `When are you coming back? I gotta get out of here!', and Slash was on the other line going, `When are you coming back. We gotta get him out of here!.' It was the funniest thing.
"They did five shows without me, and I didn't get to go because I was in surgery. And then I got in for the last Milton Keynes show. We jammed. It was nice, because I hadn't seen Izzy in a long time."
K!: I suppose it was kind of like getting together with an old lover. Both parties had just moved on.
G: "That's exactly what had happened with the band. What's kinda cool is they just kinda realised, `Oh, Gilby really is a part of the band and Izzy's not a part of the band any more'. It worked out the best for everybody, cos Izzy didn't want back in any more than they wanted him back in. But it was fun, it was kinda cool, and I think it was really special for anybody who got to see any of those shows."
K!: The rumours that you were out of the band were flying around at the time.
G: "That kind of stuff, you can never stop it. I've heard so many reports that I got fired - and, you know, I've been in the band for two-and-a-half years, and I've been fired a few times. All kinds of people have been fired!
K!: For real?!
G: "For real. I've seen more than just me being fired. I've seen other people quit, I've seen other people fired, you know, whatever. It's not that big a deal."
K!: And it's still the same band.
G: "Exactly. Realistically, in the whole GN'R world, you don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen. From the day I got the job, I didn't know if I'd be there for a week, a year, whatever.
"I think the same can be said about most people around the band. Axl and Slash call most of the shots. The rest of us just kinda go with the flow. You just never know, cos it's not our call. You're relying on Axl, and he changes his mind quite a bit.
"I have been fired a few times, and it was for nothing that I did. That was another reason for me making my album - you don't know what's going to happen in GN'R. I don't know if I'm going to be around for the next album. I don't know who's going to be around!"
K!: Tell me about your solo LP. Are you calling it the Gilby Clarke Experience?
G: "It's not the Gilby Clarke Experience. I'm just going to do it like a solo thing, kinda like how Peter Frampton did it."
K!: Who is in your band?
G: "In England, the only person people have heard of is Jo, who was in Dogs D'Amour. Jo made most of the record with me, but now, he's got a new band in town with David Roach of Junkyard - they're called Las Barrachos.
"Now I've got Ryan Roxie on guitar he was in Electric Angels and Candy; and Mark Dansice is the drummer, he was in Little Caesar and the iverdogs; and Will Efford is the bass player and he hasn't been in anything. He's just my friend. And everybody has black hair!"
K!: Is it big black hair?
G: "No, not big black hair. Just little choppy black hair! I've known Ryan and Mark for 10, 11 years. When I was putting the band together, I decided I'd do it with my friends, some who haven't really been on the road, like Will. I'm going to go out and have a lot of fun. If I gotta go out and do all that work again, I'm going to go with my friends."
K!: When do you start touring?
G: "We're going to Japan. And then we'll tour the States in July."
K!: Are you happy?
G: "I'm very happy. Everything has kind of worked out for the better. You know, we kind of live for the minute. And this minute is kinda nice."
K!: Where are you off to now?
G: "I'm going to Slash's. We're going to hang out on Melrose and go to Leathers & Treasures!"
#477 2000 » Slash Interview - 'Rock Hard' Magazine 03/2000 » 928 weeks ago
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Slash Interview - 'Rock Hard' Magazine 03/2000 (Germany)
Interview by Samuel Hill
When Guns N' Roses released their debut album 'Appetite For Destruction' in 1987, their raw rocksound from L.A., together with the spectacular liveshows en filty scandals made Axl Rose (v), Slash (g), Izzy Stradlin (g), Duff McKagan (b) and Steven Adler (d) superstars in one day. Their refreshing, solid, retrosound hit the right nerves of that time and made the road clear for other late-eighties 'rootrock'-bands like Skid Row and The Black Crowes. Their legendary party-lifestyle overrun the Gunners eventually, and almost every original bandmembers left the band in the beginning of the nineties or were thrown out of the band. These days - with the new live-album "Live Era '87 - '93" lying in stores - of the original band only frontman Axl Rose is left.
His former guitarist Slash, who would sink to the bottom if he had to give up on his sleazy rock n' roll for one year, went into the studio in July '99 with a new Snakepit line-up. Six months later, the second album "Ain't Life Grand" is finished and will be released by the end of February.
Slash, where did you find your new Snakepit line-up? And what happened to the old line-up?
"After the first Snakepit-album "It's Five O' Clock Somewhere", which I recorded in '95 with Jellyfish singer Eric Dover, Alice In Chains bassist Mike Inez and my GN'R colleagues Gilby Clarke and Matt Sorum, I wanted to book a tour. Mike however had enough to do with Alice In Chains, and Matt was legally bonded to GN'R. So I couldn't count on both of them. That made me searching for a new rhytmn-section (Tyketto/White Lion bassist James Lomenzo and Vinnie Moore drummer Brian Tichy, red.) and together we played 80 shows in four months on four continents.
This all happened in the brake between the end of the "Illusions"-tour and the proposed beginning of recordings for the next GN'R album. On the first Snakepit-record I used some ideas which were really planned for the next GN'R-record, but Axl and I disagreed on the future direction of the band. I played Axl a demo with some of my ideas for songs, and all he said was: "I don't feel like playing this kind of music." I answered: "But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style." He didn't really care 'cause he only wanted to play industrial and Pearl Jam-sounding crap.
So I kept the songs for myself and went on the road with my friends to do the Snakepit-tour. Playing in small clubs and opening for bigger acts in stadiums gave me a lot of pleasure. When the moment came to return, I rather wanted to tour further with my Snakepit for a couple of months, but the record-company sort of held a gun to my head: "Slash, get off the stage, Axl wants to record the new album." When Axl and I got together, we still couldn't see eye to eye however, which made me decide to leave GN'R in October '96.
After that I wanted to put a new Snakepit together as soon as possible, this time with the right people, who would see the band as a fulltime-job. I teamed up with Teddy "Zig Zag" Andreadis, who played keyboards and harmonica with GN'R, and we met a couple other musicians who Teddy knew. That's how Johnny Griparic became our bassist. We worked with several rhytmn-guitarists, until we were introduced to Ryan Roxie through Alice Cooper. The search for a drummer was a same kind of long-lasting event, until I saw a guy named Matt Laug on certain night, while he was hitting the drumskins pretty impressive in the legendary jazzrock-club "Baked Potato" in northern Hollywood. I joined him on stage and jammed with him and things were settled. All we needed then was a singer. Johnny dragged the right guy in at one moment - Rod Jackson - and in July last year we locked ourselves up in the studio to record the basic-tracks of the new album".
In which 'sound-temples' have you recorded "Ain't Life Grand"?
"The bass- and drumtracks were recorded in the Ocean Way Studio in L.A., the rest was eventually recorded here in my house. For weeks we sat on the couch in my living room and worked on the songs. The entire band lived here and almost ate the hair from my head with their sickly urge for food. But we had a hell of a time, played pool billiards, listened to old Bob Marley records and watched Channel 80, one of those nasty pornchannels, which can be received via satellite. And when a song was ready to be recorded, we just walked down the stairs to the studio and pushed the record-button".
Is there a connection between your home-studio and the name of the band?
"Yes. In the house, in which I Iived during the recording-sessions of the first Snakepit-record, I had a huge snake-cage with a visitors-tunnel. That thing was equipped with huge sliding doors of glass and housed some pretty impressive 8 meters long pythons. Because my studio was situated right next to this snake-cage, we called it the Snakepit-studio. The band adopted the same name, because we were just too lazy to think of a new one. The house however was badly damaged after the heavy earthquake in January '94, so I had to look for a new home. When I saw my present 'shed' for the first time, it was full of mirror-walls, in one of the rooms one of those trashy seventies disco-balls was hanging on the ceiling, and in the bathroom heaps of underwear with women's names stitched in were laying around. No questions asked, because I still had to buy the palace and had to install the studio in it (laughs).
Now that the new record is finished, I'm gonna remove all of my equipment and gonna build things up again somewhere in an industrial zone. I learned my lesson regarding studios in your own home: they are very practical and easy, but it frequently messes up your interior. We had a few outrageous parties in here and numerous objects have disappeared. At one moment someone broke into my house as well, someone I know pretty well. Shit, I don't want that anymore! I'm gonna find a proper new housing for my snakes too, because they drive my mother crazy."
It is said you own 300 of those animals, is that true?
"300 not anymore, but I still have a lot of them. Through a door in my kitchen you can enter the snake-rooms. One is full of pythons, one houses the boa's and in an other room I've placed the iguanas. Besides that I have frogs and toads - about 20 - and in a fishtank I have a bunch of lizards and salamanders. I also had five piranhas once, but unfortunately they died during a unforeseen incident".
Besides exotic animals you have a love for pinball.
"Yeah! I started with pinball when I was 27 nevertheless. Hey, that means I never had a pinball-match before marriage (laughing). With Christmas we always visited my wife's parents in Chicago, and outside in the suburbs the temperature in winter is always about 15 degrees Celsius below zero. Besides that it's snowing all the time, so you get bored pretty fast. Therefore in Chicago there's a pinball-machine in every second home. It didn't take long before I too was standing in front of such a machine.
After one of my Chicago-trips I bought an Adams Family-pinball-machine for my mom, who turned me into a total pinball-maniac in no time. One machine became three, three became nine, nine became twelve. At a certain moment I created the GN'R pinball-machine, which resulted in a call from the guys of Sega. They wanted me to compose the music for their pinball-model "Viper". One of the "Viper"-tracks is on our new album: "Speed Parade" with these odd car-sounds".
Which music liberties, which are not possible in GN'R, are you enjoying with Snakepit?
"I can do whatever I want to, I only have to be at one with the members in my band. I would like to pretend, that I do a lot of experimenting, but probably my music always would sound the same without the input of my brothers-in-arms. I watch closely what the others are doing, so that I keep growing and maturing as a musician.
The difference with when I was in GN'R? Well, all bandmembers had wide scattered stylistic likings, but basically for every on of us, these leaded back to our musical roots, which lead us to be musicians. Izzy for example was into the Rolling Stones and Mott The Hoople, while Duff was totally into punkrock. Steven on the other hand loved Kiss and good popsongs. "When your feet tap and your hands clap to the rhytmn, it's all good" was his motto. I on the other hand am mainly influenced by boogie-guitarstuff and really hard riffs. And last but not least there was Axl with his piano-shit, the gospelsongs and a lot of Rose Tattoo, AC/DC and Nazareth. From these bands he
also had the rage in his vocals.
There were never any problems really about the stylistic direction of the band, untill Axl started disagreeing with the rest of us at one moment. It clearly became harder for us to be ourselves, as long as we were working together with him. Can you imagine how sick we were, suddenly having to play ballad-sets with songs like "Estranged", "November Rain", or "Don't Cry". Duff was the first of us who didn't feel like doing that anymore and the whole thing became an essential problem for the band, because we, accomplished musicians, needed to be changed just because of 'stylistic self-circumcision'. At a certain point it was just a war, because Axl didn't like anything anymore that came from us, the others".
GN'R just released the live-2CD "Live Era '87 - '93". How much influence did you have on the composition of this record?
"The original idea came of course from the record-company, who slowly starting panicking, since Axl hadn't give them any new material since the band fell apart. It was important for me to keep an eye on things, because when it comes to the classic GN'R lineup, I want to make sure it doesn't get turned into crap. The oldest recordings, which were used for the album, date from the time when only at a few shows we had the disposal of recording-trucks. Next to that we were able to use a couple of soundboard-recordings, for example the one from the Marquee in London, where we played four shows in a row. This was our first tour, and back than we really kicked major ass.
Referring to the planning of the album, we first had to figure out some kind of setlist, which would represent all of our standards. After that, instead of discussing every recording of a specific song,
I just said to the guys in the studio: "Hey, we need this and that track, just take them from any show you come across. It was important for me, that the album would present the band as honest and pure as possible. I've never heard our albums before after they were recorded and mixed, and when I went through this bunch of tapes this time, I realized how good we were back then'.
How are things going further now with Slash's Snakepit?
We're going back on the road. I can hardly wait to get the f**k out of L.A. There's nothing more interesting for me, than to arrange a tour after the final mixing of an album. And this time I also got a complete new band coming along. Besides Ryan, who has played numerous shows with Alice Cooper, none of the guys has been on the road for so long as we're gonna do right now. They don't know what to expect, and that makes the whole thing even more exciting. "Ain't Life Grand" will probably be released by the end of February (In Germany on March 13th - red.). After that we'll immediately hit the road. Let's see if I can manage again, constantly being on the road for two years".
#478 Re: 1994 » 1994: Chinese Whispers » 928 weeks ago
The "TIL Album"
Early in 1994, Axl had his mind on what the next Guns album would be like and was using a song recorded over the past few years as a cornerstone.
"We're aiming at '96 and we'll probably be doing a lot of recording, and trying to put a lot of things between now and then...
We're really into letting Matt go more off on his own in terms of drumming for GNR... When he goes off on his own creative sense it's pretty amazing. I want to facilitate that getting out. I want Matt to just explode on the next record." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)
"We may work with Brian May on a project upcoming... And we're hoping to pull that one off. We get along with Brian really well." (Axl, Rockline, 01/03/94)
"I'm a little concerned about the direction Guns goes in." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)
"We really haven't really sat down to collaborate on songs yet... I've just been working on where my head's at on things so I can approach the next record in a way that lets me go to farther extremes." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)
"I don't know exactly where [Axl's] head is at, as far as what [the next album] should sound like. It changes from month to month." (Slash, Rolling Stone, 04/95)
"[Axl]'s got a batch of good ideas, piano things that sound really cool." (Zakk Wylde, Kerrang!, 01/28/95)
"I want to do rock stuff... Axl wants Guns to do a lot of ballads and stuff." (Slash, Metal Hammer Magazine, 02/95)
"I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that's the heaviest thing that I've ever done." (Axl, Hit Parader, 1993)
"From my point of view, I just wanna do a brash hard rock record, with maybe one ballad on it. Ask Axl the same question and you'd get a completely different answer." (Slash, Metal Hammer, 11/95)
"This I Love' is actually an old GN'R song that the original GN'R wrote and recorded for the 'Illusion' records. I like that song a lot.. it took a couple of weeks to find all the tapes, because they finished recording 'Use Your Illusions' on the road and one tape was in Paris, another in London, and another in Sydney, I believe." (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 04/21/05)
The only Guns show mentioned above, which predates the release of Illusions (09/16-17/91), is their first one in London (08/31/91). Elsewhere, Axl suggests TIL is a post-Illusion song, and it's possible that Dominguez means the Spaghetti Incident? sessions in '92-93, during which additional covers were recorded to round it up to album-length. GNR played in London the second time on 04/20/92, Paris on 06/06/92, and Sydney on 01/30/93. The TIL sessions could've taken place near each of the shows.
Curiously, onstage in both Antebonné and Paris in September 2010, Axl would refer to This I Love as "the only GNR song written in France".
The album it was supposed to forefront never came to be.
#479 1995 » Slash Is Tired Of The Superdiva Axl (Aftonbladet, 02/04/95) » 928 weeks ago
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Slash Is Tired Of The Superdiva Axl
Aftonbladet
February 4, 1995
by Ronny Olovsson
Guns N' Roses guitarist takes vacation and enjoy being solo.
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Slash has taken vacation from the circus known as Guns N' Roses. Now it is the hobbyband Snakepit that takes his time.
- Axl thinks that Guns N' Roses is his own soloproject, he says and snorts.
No, he don't want to say that Guns N' Roses have broke up. But if you read between the lines there is no doubt that Saul "Slash" Hudson is beginning to grow more then tired of the superdiva Axl Rose. So tired that he now intensively enjoys to dedicate himself to the side-track Snakepit. A hobbyband which he has formed with among others Eric Dover, ex-Jellyfish.
- Incredibly nice not to be part of a high profile band like Guns. To be able to do something without the need to always think about that everything shall look cool. It's a vacation. And Fun.
Funnier then Guns N' Roses?
- Guns is fun too, but it's more like an institution today. Yeah, I can't describe in any other way.
Okey, you and Axl are both grown up men, why are you always arguing?
- We've always have had different opinions and will always have. But as long as we can record a good Guns-record we are a band. Right now there seems to be a fucking confusion about what "a good Guns-record" is.
Will there be another album?
We are going to meet in August after we've toured with Snakepit. Then we'll see what happens. We've been jamming a bit, but there isn't any actual songs.
You, Duff McKagan, Gilby Clarke... The most people in the band have made records outside Guns. Isn't Axl going to do a solo-record soon?
- Axl thinks that Guns is his solo-project.
Okey, you have a lot of chains and rings everywhere. Are you a piercingfreak.
- Well. I've pierced the nose and the navel, but not anything else. I don't have any bolt thrugh my dick if someone thought so.
- One problem with these stuff is that the alarm always sets off in security-controls at the airports (laughter!).
#480 1995 » Slash, Canadian Radio, April 1995 » 928 weeks ago
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Slash Interview
Canada
April 20, 1995
by Kristy Knight
97.7 HTZ-FM. On the phone is one more time, it's Slash from Guns N' Roses and Slash's Snakepit. How you doin', homes?
I'm fine. What's happening?
Oh, same old...
My voice is sort of shot 'cause I've been singing a lot lately and I'm not used to it.
Well, it's early in the tour, huh?
Well, it's early in the tour. I just sing backups, but it's not the singing part, it's the yelling. You know, when you get orally excited, you just yell at the crowd or whatever. And I do it a little more now than I normally would do.
And so... I think it was... you know, the crowds get really excited and there's a mosh-pit going and all that kinda stuff. And so you just run up and yell into the microphone. Nothing in particular. But all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and you're like [makes a hoarse sound].
Way to go. Hey Slash, how long has it been since you played live?
Oh, I play live all the time.
But, as in on tour.
But as on tour? I think the Guns N' Roses tour ended... it's been about two years now.
Wow.
And the tour was two and a half years long. Time goes by really quickly, 'cause it seems like yesterday when the tour ended. But obviously, a lot's going on. 'Cause when It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, which is the name of the record, when I finally finished the first demo, the last demo of material, it was the night of the LA earthquake in '94 and so we'd been off the road for probably about six months prior to that.
So, how's it been? I mean, your voice is all cracked out.
Oh yeah, I know. But I'm not the lead singer.
Is it good to be back on the road? Is it strange getting into the vibe of a new band.
No, not at all. That's how the whole band came together in the first place, was sort of naturally. We didn't have any intentions of, you know, inventing Snakepit. It wasn't like a pre-conceived idea. It was just something... a bunch of really close friends just hanging out and... You know how, like attorneys and managers and radio programmers, they go out and play golf?
Uhu?
Well, we would hang out and playing music. And all of a sudden I realized we had a great band. That was it.
Cool. So, you're saying it just kinda evolved?
Yeah, exactly. Sort of materialized.
So when did it hit you that: "Man, I got a band! I gotta do something with it"?
Umm, probably right after Mike Inez got involved.
Yeah?
And then, you know, once we'd sort of put down, maybe'¦ I'd say 13 or 14 songs, at home, at the studio at my house. I booked us into a professional studio and went there and whipped out these songs really quickly. 'Cause it was fun. We didn't worry about like, little mistakes, and over-production. It's just the band live.
And then... As well as that was going on, I thought: "Well, we should get a singer". You know, and although nobody was really taking it that seriously, in the back of my mind, I knew this was a lot of fun. You know, and that we should keep doing it.
So I found Eric after auditioning some 40... 40 fucking singers, I think it was. And Eric was number 41. And ironically enough, he turned out to... He was right around the corner. He was Gilby Clarke's drummer's singer.
Cool.
It's a small musical community in LA that we live in. Anyway, but Adam Day, he's my guitar tech, took Eric up to the earthquake house where the studio still functions. The house itself is dysfunctional, but the studio still works.
And he took him there and gave him one out of three songs, which turned out to be "Beggars & Hangers-On". And he wrote all the lyrics and all that kinda stuff and I got the tape the next morning, and I was like: "Oh, this is great." And so we just went on to write the lyrics for the rest of the record. And once we got to that point, it was like: "Let's go touring. Do some clubs."
'Cause I can't get Guns to go back and play clubs. Duff would do it, but Axl won't. So this is like an outlet for me to go do, I don't know, what I initially when I started playing guitar and forming bands and stuff, what I started out to do in the first place.
So you got two guys gone now. You got Inez gone and Sorum gone. Why?
Well, if Sorum had stayed with me, it would have made the conflicts between Axl and me even worse, because I would have taken the drummer.
Oh, really?
I knew that was gonna happen. I would have loved to take Matt out. But, you know, this whole tour thing and how long it's gonna go is sort of a thorn in Guns N' Roses's side, you know.
Why?
Well, just... I don't know.
I mean, he's doing some other stuff right now. He's working on some material. Why is it that you can't go out and maybe take Sorum and have some fun?
Well, 'cause... You know, he's not doing... At one point he said he was gonna a solo project, then he decided his soloproject he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs]
No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit. I took off and then he threatened to sue me, because he wanted the material back that I'd written and already recorded.
Axl did?
Huh?
Axl was gonna sue you?
This was... I shouldn't even be getting into this. It's not that big a deal. He just wanted these certain songs and he didn't like them at first. And this is way before Snakepit even became like, a reality. This is when I was just writing at home. And he didn't like them. So I was like: "Cool".
You know, it's sorta like old Guns stuff and then all of a sudden, after the album was finished, he goes: "Remember those tapes I have. You know, I want to...". He didn't know we'd finished the record. And he goes: "This song, this song, this song, this song and this song." And I went: "Dude, we finished it already. It's gone". And he goes: "You couldn't have done an album in two weeks." I said: "Oh yeah. I can". You can do that. And it turned into a big fight. Anyway, when I took off, we had an agreement, so we came to terms with the whole situation, but we did do some... like, off-the-wall kind of writing and recording and this and that and the other. And they're still trying to work on things, so if I'd taken Matt with me, that would have just been starting a fight, basically. Which I don't wanna do.
And then, of course, Mike's got and Alice In Chains record, which... I'm sure everybody out there who's listening wants to hear an Alice In Chains record.
Oh yeah.
At least I do. So that was one of those deals where he might come out to Japan. But, he really needs to finish that record and it's not getting along that quickly. You know, so he's doing that. So, I just got Zakk Wylde's rhythm section and we took off.
So, do you like the sound of those boys?
Huh?
Do you like the sound of those boys?
Oh, they're great.
They fit in ok?
Yeah. I mean, you know, Mike and Matt are great friends of mine, so of course I miss them, but at the same time the band sounds fuckin' killer.
Cool. Let's take a break here and play some Snakepit and then we'll come back and talk a little more about... I wanna know where Duff is and just a little about Guns N' Roses, if you don't mind, Slash, cool?
Ok.
All right. We'll be back with Slash.
Slash is on the phone right now with me, and he's playing the Warehouse tonight. Tickets still on sale, but get there early. They're 15 rock n' roll bucks. Is Snakepit a band that's gonna record again, or is this an off project?
No, what happened was that, once we did this one, we had such a good time doing it, that Eric and I went out and did a promo tour. 'Cause once it was finished, we didn't release it until February. So that was... I think we finished... let's see... July... June... I don't know.
We finished it about three months before it was released. Ok, so... I'm trying to backtrack, right. Anyway, so we finished it, we had nothing to do and the record company was like: "This is a cool record. Why don't you go out and promote it?" I was like: "What do you mean?" They said: "You could go to like, England, Japan and Australia. I was like: "Really? Get the fuck out of the house. Ok, let's go!"
So me and Eric went and we did acoustic songs. You know, like some of the versions of the songs acoustically, live. And it was great. So, in that process... We had the guitars, we started writing more material. And so now everybody's looking forward to just doing another Snakepit record, you know. On the side of whatever...
Like, I haven't quit Guns, Gilby's got his own band, Mike Inez obviously has Alice, Matt's in Guns. But we can sort of do this... It's sort of like a mistress band.
Yeah. Summertime vacation band.
Yeah, exactly.
Cool. Is Gilby with you now?
Yeah, I was just with him. We did an interview downstairs.
Is it difficult to be business partners? Like, we're talking about the Axl thing before, just briefly, but... Is it tough being a business partner and a friend at the same time? You know, when Gilby was fired, or quit, or whatever from Guns N' Roses.
When he got... When Gilby was sort of like... The whole Guns N' Roses situation with Gilby wasn't as cut and dry as it seems. He wasn't really fired officially. Axl just didn't wanna write with him. He never even got a chance to write with us.
And so, I told Gilby that that was going on. So he didn't hear it from somewhere else. Becuase if you know, in this business, leaks are like crazy. And it's just best to be upfront and honest about thing. So I told him what was going on.
Then he had words with Axl and then in turn he had words with Duff. And that sort of cemented the, you know, the relationship, the departure. Whatever you wanna call it.
Yeah, but you're stuck in-between now, aren't you? 'Cause you still got Gilby, and he's your pal and he's in your band.
See, we were always good friends. It had nothing to do with me. So, when we started working together again, it was like nothing had ever happened. Although there is some bitterness about the whole Guns situation, 'cause it didn't really make that much sense.
Right. Being as huge as Guns is, is it hard to play for them? I mean, does the pressure take away from the fun?
You know, I don't wanna make it sound like a negative... It is a pain in the ass sometimes. 'Cause the only real fun that you have, when you're on the road for the most part is, you know, the odd hang out here and there with the crew guys. And the two and a half hours that you play on stage. The rest of it is all bullshit.
Yeah. All of a sudden your love turns into a business.
Yeah, but there's... You know what? You can't complain about it. Because it's almost a small price, you know, to pay, for being able to what it is that you love to do. And you gotta deal with it, because the only way to actually succeed in this business is to deal with it.
What do you think about the Eddie Vedder situation? He made an unusual comment in a... He said: "As the crowds get bigger, I feel smaller." Can you relate to that?
That's a little, you know... I mean, I don't know Eddie so I'm not gonna say anything bad about him. But, I think people who start complaining... I mean, it's one thing to do exactly what it is you think is right. That's important.
But, to start whining about the whole thing... I mean, business is fucked anyway, you know that. Any business is a complicated issue. But, it's the vehicle that we use to be able to do what we do as musicians. You know... like in any business.
If you're a Chinese laundry man, you gotta deal with business. It's period. You gotta do it. You can try and change things, but you don't give it all up just because you finally get successful. That's stupid, you know.
Where did you learn to deal with all this stuff? Is it your Gunner experience, or is it the experience... I mean, you met a lot of artists as a kid.
I don't know.
I mean, you're a young man and the pressure is there, man. I mean, when you talk here, you're like "homeboy Slash". And then when you see a Gunner video, you're up on the amps and the spotlights on and the smoke's going all over the place, you're a monster. You're a giant. It must be hard to deal with, being a homeboy and being a giant at the same time.
No, 'cause we... I go out... Now, come on! You're putting me on the spot now...
Oh, I didn't mean to.
... 'cause I don't think like that at all. Let's see, when Guns goes out, I get to go up and we play. That's all I... that's what I get out of it. It's a cool band and, fuckin'... The band rocks and everything. I love all the guys in the band, so on and so forth. The crowd is great. The fans really like Guns N' Roses. They're really responsive and all that.
So, that's real simple stuff. That's like, real from the heart, kind of a... I don't know... A feeling that you get, by doing what it is that we do. So I don't look at myself from a perspective, like what you just said. [laughs] That's ridiculous.
[laughs]
And then, now when you're playing in clubs and you go up to the front of the stage and people are grabbing your shoe-laces, or pulling your jeans off and stuff, it's just like... I always thought that was just the relationship between the artist and the crowd. And everybody was just having a good time, you know.
Yeah, but you had to learn to deal with it sooner or later. It's amazing, 'cause I see one side of your brain going: "Ok, I understand the business part". And the other side of your brain is the creative one going: "Let's just rock!", you know. And it's rare!
The "let's just rock" part is the most important thing. And then... You know, but that's, that's like... that's when you're playing, you know. And then... Like, today I'm sitting here. It's a day off. It's the first one we've had in a week, but... I'm sitting my room, talking to you. ??? show, I can't tell you that. [laughs]
[laughs]
You can edit that, right?
Yeah, I can edit that one out.
Anyway, my answer for that would be, on the days that we do have, when you deal with business. It's fine.
Yeah. Cool.
You gotta have a little bit of integrity, as far as keeping... It can't all be fun n' games. You have to have a little bit of integrity, as far as keeping everything tied together and making sure everything move smoothly. And there has to be some discipline in there somewhere, there always has been.
Even... all the rumors that you've heard about Guns over the years and stuff like, you know... The stuff that that guy was saying that publication I was talking about earlier. You know, it's like, the fact that we actually do work to keep it all together. Nobody wants to seem to recognize.
They just look at us as a bunch of drunk drug addict musicians who just like, get on the bus with a bunch of chicks and that's our lifestyle. And there is an element in there where you really have to work. And if you talk to any musician on the street, he'll tell you that that's true.
Slash's Snakepit plays the Warehouse tonight. Tickets still available, but I guess you better get there fast. I appreciate your time today, sir.
Yeah. [laughs]
I just called you sir! [laughs]
Don't call me... Anyway, but it is fun, though. Let me, just to close it out. When everything's going well and you're playing and all that kinda stuff, and everything's moving along, it is the most fun thing in the world I could possibly think of doing.
You live for it, man. That's why I like you.
[laughs]
All right. Slash, have a good time tonight. Have a good time while you're in Ontariariririo, Ok?
All right.
All right, buddy. Slash's Snakepit. 97.7 HTZ-FM.
