Randall Flagg wrote:

misterID wrote:

You blame everything on Bill Clinton instead of Bush, so please... From how long I've known you, you have never said or acted like Obama was your president.

Republicans turned into a bunch of whiney little bitches when Obama was elected, and started obstructing on a historic level, like threatening to default on the debt (first time in history) to refusing to vote on a supreme court justice (first time in history) and you guys REFUSED to give them any blame for their conduct. It's the only reason Trump had a chance because of their behavior. The GOP got the clown they deserve.

Have you ever taken a logic course?

Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the house. Neither agrees on legislation and refuses to budge.

Your conclusion: "Fucking GOP obstructionist pigs.  How dare they not rubber stamp what my party wants."

Republicans had both houses save a few months. You know they were obstructionists. Do you need an honesty course?  Where is your integrity? Here's the list of historical obstructionism.

REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM JOBS AND THE ECONOMY

Republicans walked away from a bipartisan Senate compromise, placing the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance at risk. [12/20/11]
91 Republicans walked away from the measure to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, and GOP leadership relied on 147 Democrats to pass it. [2/17/12]
Republicans walked away from the bipartisan Senate highway bill, which passed the Senate with 74 votes. [February-June 2012]
Republicans introduced their budget, which walked away from the Budget Control Act spending levels they agreed to in August 2011 [March 20, 2012]
93 Republicans walked away from reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank, and GOP leadership relied on 183 Democrats to pass the bill. [5/9/12]
52 Republicans walked away from a conference report to provide long-term highway funding, and GOP leadership relied on 187 Democrats to pass it.  [6/29/12]
Republicans walked away from American workers by allowing part of the Trade Adjustment Assistance program, which provides critical job training and worker assistance, to expire. [12/31/13]
Republicans walked away from 1.3 million Americans by blocking consideration of legislation to renew emergency unemployment insurance, which expired on December 28.  [1/9/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before April 1, 2014. [1/15/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before July 1, 2014. [1/28/14]
Republicans walked away from the Fair Minimum Wage Act, which increases the federal minimum wage for employees to $10.10 an hour. [2/26/14, 2/27/14, 4/2/14, 4/4/14, 4/29/14, 7/30/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before January 1, 2015. [3/5/14, 3/6/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before June 1, 2014. The measure Republicans voted against was identical to a bill that passed the Senate with bipartisan support. [4/8/14, 5/7/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

Republicans walked away from the Bowles-Simpson Bipartisan Fiscal Commission. [12/3/10]
54 Republicans walked away from a Continuing Resolution that would keep the government funded for three weeks, and GOP leadership relied on 85 Democrats to pass the bill. [3/15/11]
59 Republicans walked away from a Continuing Resolution that would keep the government funded for the year, and GOP leadership relied on 81 Democrats to pass the bill. [4/14/11]
Majority Leader Cantor walked away from the Biden deficit reduction talks. [6/23/11]
Speaker Boehner walked away from deficit reduction negotiations with President Obama. [7/22/11]
66 Republicans walked away from a bill that would have ensured our nation paid its bills, and GOP leadership relied on 95 Democrats in order to avoid default and ensure America would meet its obligations. [8/1/11]
101 Republicans walked away from a conference report for the Agriculture, Commerce-Justice-Science, and Transportation-HUD appropriations bills for Fiscal Year 2012, and GOP leadership relied on 165 Democrats to pass the bill. [11/17/11]
Republicans walked away from the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. [11/21/11]
86 Republicans walked away from the omnibus for the remaining nine appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 2012, and GOP leadership relied on 149 Democrats to pass the bill.[12/16/11]
151 Republicans walked away from preventing the fiscal cliff, and GOP leadership relied on 172 Democrats to pass the bill. [1/1/13]
Republicans walked away from the American people and refused to work with House Democrats to replace the sequester, allowing arbitrary, across-the-board spending cuts to go into effect. [2/1/13]
221 Republicans walked away from meeting our nation’s debt obligations by passing H.R. 807, the Pay China First Bill, placing America closer to the risk of default. [5/ 9/13]
144 Republicans walked away from ending the government shutdown, and GOP leadership relied on 198 Democrats to end it, which cost the economy $24 billion. [10/16/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM WOMEN

138 Republicans walked away from reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, and GOP leadership relied on all 199 House Democrats to pass the legislation. [2/28/13]
Republicans walked away from working women by voting against the Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures equal pay for equal work by prohibiting sex discrimination in the payment of wages. [4/8/14, 7/30/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM STUDENTS

52 Republicans walked away from a conference report to prevent student loan interest rates from doubling, and GOP leadership relied on 187 Democrats to pass it.  [6/29/12]
Republicans walked away from America’s students and allowed student loan interest rates to double. [7/1/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM

After the Senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill by a strong vote of 68-32, Republicans walked away from the majority of Americans who support comprehensive reform by refusing to bring it to the Floor. They also walked away from the bipartisan House bill, H.R. 15, four times. [3/26/14, 7/31/14, twice on 8/1/14]
House Republican leadership walked away from one of their own members by telling Republican Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart, responsible for crafting the House Republican version of immigration reform, that they wouldn’t be bringing his bill to the Floor for a vote. [7/10/14]
House Republican leaders, facing a conservative revolt, were forced to pull their border crisis funding bill and tack further to the right – passing a partisan bill that went nowhere in the Senate and failed to provide the necessary resources to address the humanitarian crisis at the border. [7/31/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE

Republicans walked away from access to affordable health care for the 53rd time by voting to undermine or repeal the Affordable Care Act and offering no alternative legislation to replace it – despite their campaign pledge to repeal and replace. [9/11/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM DISASTER RELIEF

In the days immediately after Hurricane Sandy, 69 Republicans walked away from extending the National Flood Insurance program as families and businesses were actively assessing storm damage and making claims, and GOP leadership relied on 193 Democrats to keep the program operating. [1/4/13]
House Republican leadership refused to bring the Sandy supplemental aid bill to the Floor after the Senate passed it with strong bipartisan support. When a bill was brought to the Floor, 179 Republicans walked away from businesses and families affected by Hurricane Sandy, and GOP leadership relied on 192 Democrats to pass the bill. [1/15/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM THE FARM COMMUNITY

Republicans walked away from America’s farm communities by failing to pass a farm bill after they added harmful, partisan amendments to the original bill that would make drastic cuts to critical nutrition programs and after they failed to secure the votes needed for final passage from 62 of their own members. [6/18/13]
MEANWHILE, HOUSE REPUBLICANS IGNORE LEGISLATION THAT AMERICANS SUPPORT…

Whether wasting time on political messaging bills or walking away from critical negotiations, House Republicans continue to ignore important legislation that enjoys the support of the majority of Americans, such as:

Make It In America jobs legislation – By 20 percentage points, voters rate the economy and jobs the single most important issue. [Washington Post poll, 9/9/14]
Fair Minimum Wage Act – “Seventy-one percent of people surveyed favor a hike in the federal minimum wage,” including 54% of Republicans. [CNN Money, 6/9/14]
Paycheck Fairness Act – 74% of Americans support “government efforts to address male-female income disparity in the United States.” [Politico, 5/2014]
Comprehensive Immigration Reform – Over 70% of Americans – including 64% of Republicans – support comprehensive immigration reform. [Politico, 5/19/14]
…AND WASTE TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON POLITICAL MESSAGING

In addition to ignoring the priorities of the American people, House Republicans’ obstruction and partisanship has wasted billions in taxpayer dollars and harmed our economy:

The Republican government shutdown cost our economy $24 billion. [CNN, 10/17/13]
Republicans’ refusal to meet our nation’s debt obligations cost our economy $1.3 billion. [Huffington Post, 9/22/12]
Over 50 votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act have cost taxpayers $79 million. [CBS News, 7/11/12]
Setting up the Benghazi Select Committee, to look at a tragedy that has been thoroughly investigated, will cost taxpayers $3.3 million. [USA Today, 7/7/14]
Over $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars was spent on an unsuccessful court battle to defend the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act. [Bloomberg, 6/26/13]
House Republicans have signed a no-bid contract to spend $350,000 on their political lawsuit against President Obama. [Washington Post, 8/25/14]
SENATE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO OBSTRUCT IN THE SENATE

Republican obstruction isn’t limited to the House. Senate Republicans have blocked debate on bill after bill, including:

Paycheck Fairness Act, which would help close the gender gap in wages and ensure equal pay for equal work [4/9/14]
Fair Minimum Wage Act, which would raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour  [4/30/2014]
Bring Jobs Home Act, which would stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship American jobs overseas and provide a new tax credit to businesses that bring outsourced jobs back to the United States. [7/30/14]
Energy Savings and Industrial Competitiveness Act, which would help Americans increase savings on their energy bills and create 200,000 American jobs. [5/12/14]
The Bank On Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act, which would help decrease the burden of student loans for 25 million students. [6/11/2014]
SENATE REPUBLICANS PROMISE TO CONTINUE THEIR RECORD OF OBSTRUCTION

Senate Republicans intend to continue their record of obstruction and partisanship in the next Congress, already threatening another Republican-led shut down:

“Mitch McConnell has a game plan to confront President Barack Obama with a stark choice next year: Accept bills reining in the administration’s policies or veto them and risk a government shutdown… ‘We’re going to pass spending bills, and they’re going to have a lot of restrictions on the activities of the bureaucracy,’ McConnell said in an interview aboard his campaign bus traveling through Western Kentucky coal country. ‘That’s something he won’t like, but that will be done. I guarantee it.’” [Politico, 8/20/14]

HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED WILLINGNESS TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE

Throughout this Congress, the House Republican leadership has relied on Democrats to pass nearly every major bill. For example:

85 Democrats voted for a measure to keep the government funded for three weeks while 54 Republicans voted against it [3/15/11]
81 Democrats voted for a measure to keep the government funded for the year while 59 Republicans voted against it [4/14/11]
95  Democrats voted for the Budget Control Act while 66 Republicans voted against it [8/1/11]
165 Democrats voted for the conference report for Agriculture, Commerce-Justice-Science, and Transportation-HUD appropriations bills while 101 Republicans voted against it [11/17/11]
149 Democrats voted for the omnibus appropriations bill for fiscal year 2012 while 86 Republicans voted against it [12/16/11]
147 Democrats voted to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance while 91 Republicans voted against it [2/17/12]
183 Democrats voted to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank while 93 Republicans voted against it [5/9/12]
187 Democrats voted for highway, student loan relief, and flood extension while 52 Republicans voted against it [6/29/12]
172 Democrats voted for the fiscal cliff deal while 151 Republicans voted against it [1/1/13]
190 Democrats voted to add funds to Sandy relief package to fully meet the financial needs of the affected states while 190 Republicans voted against it [1/15/13]
192 Democrats voted for the final Sandy relief package while 179 Republicans voted against it [1/15/13]
199 Democrats voted for VAWA while 138 Republicans voted against it [2/28/13]
198 Democrats voted to reopen the government while 144 Republicans voted against [10/16/13]
81 Democrats voted for patent reform while 33 Republicans voted against it [12/5/13]
89 Democrats voted for the Farm Bill conference report, while 63 Republicans voted against it [1/29/14]

I understand some people are lazy and who can't look into any subject and rely on their own ignorant bullshit, while trying to tout their own intelligence, and in some cases, their own delusional popularity within this thread...... But you have no excuse to ignore facts, Randall.

Fuck yeah. This is legendary!

This poll is rigged!

polluxlm wrote:

TheMole wrote:

It's quite possible to be non-conformist and yet not want a guy who looks like a half-orangutan (and has half the IQ of an orangutan) to become president.... If you're only motivated to vote for someone 'because they're not the establishment', you're not non-conformist you're a contrarian. It's not the same thing...

Imagine saying that about Obama.

When the other choice is the very definition of a corrupt, nothing gets better politician, I'd say the position is much better filled by someone who "doesn't know what they're doing". At least their damage will lack the thrust. Not that Trump is any of those things. Being a real CEO he's much better prepared for leadership than most politicians. Hillary hasn't shown she can lead anyone.

Huh!?