mitchejw wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

Haha. You're a real intellectual heavyweight. I served 9 years in the Army. I fought in Iraq. I paid more in federal taxes than the poverty line for a family of 4 last year. So tell me again what you've done for this country. Just another fucking loser.

And thanks for the compliment. When you hold a masters degree in political science, have traveled all over the world and have a job that pays 6 figures, you're forced to be able to articulate ideas the masses struggle with. Don't worry, I'm sure you can find something from Salon that will do your thinking for you.

Did you get your masters from Trump U?

Nah. Falwell university. Still waiting to hear your contributions to this country since you felt obligated to attack mine.

misterID wrote:

Eh, no one should be thankful that their ancestors were part of Holocaust because it allowed them to be part of an industrial revolution... And I don't think your comparisons are really fair. As a southerner, a son of confederate veterans, who actually has a tender spot in my heart for the rebel flag, not only should thery not be grateful, but descendants of slaves should get reparations, or some form of it. (Please don't say shit about food stamps equating reparations, because that's a line of racism that can't be back tracked)

I hate Trump because he's an idiot, not because he's politically incorrect (watch Bill Maher's show last night when his campaign manager was faced with every lie he has told) but I hate it worse that my beautiful southern people are the most gullible people on the face of the fucking earth.

I didn't say holocaust. And to suggest slavery is comparable to the complete genocide of a people is not only inaccurate, it cheapens the intentional actions taken against Jews and other "undesirables".

But why shouldn't someone acknowledge the positives of tragedies in the moment?  Those who suffered the tragedy of Hiroshima suffered greatly. But the American and Japanese who didn't perish in the forthcoming land battle were happy to be alive. The millions who suffered and perished in WW2 certainly didn't enjoy their pain. But can anyone deny that the West is much safer and happier as a result of the conclusion of that war?  All parties engaged in that war are better off now than before. They have 21st century technology and food at their disposal.

Blacks aren't due reparations because they haven't suffered. Not only are people not owed anything for what occurred legally at the time, they're not owed anything for something that never was inflicted on them. If any American Black was owed anything, it'd be those who suffered under Jim Crow and they alone.  And only for the grievances they directly received. Jim Crow was declared unconstitutional, ergo it never was legally enforced. Slavery was never ruled unconstitutional, and only is so because of the 13th amendment. I'm not making a moral argument for slavery, but pointing out you can't retroactively and selectively try to apply modern customs and law to events that ended centuries ago. Should Egypt provide reparations to every Jew?  Should England pay reparations to every American because they illegally exerted their control over us? 

Reparations are de facto given to blacks in this country just as they are to you and me. Whatever hardships our ancestors suffered to build the word we live in, is paid to their descendants by being able to live in this great country. Poverty in America is luxury in many of the countries most Blacks' cousins in Africa presently reside.

So to acknowledge that something horrific had positive outcomes isn't politically incorrect or factually wrong. It's pointing out that bad, horrible shit has happened to every race or creed since the dawn of man, and all of us are better off because humanity is driven to improve its situation in life.

mitchejw wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Hilarious reading some of this.  Dodge, deflect.  Trump this, Trump that.  Arguing over who cares more about something that doesn't matter.  Nobody at all discussing the actual issues.  You guys are just a reflection of the problem we have and why the establishment has you all by the short hairs.  I get why none of the candidates are discussing the issues.  Neither of them have a workable plan for anything.

What I don't understand is why you guys keep ignoring the issues and playing the game they want you to play while pretending to have moral superiority over the other side. 

Nobody is going to change their mind.  All of you are going to believe what you're going to believe.  I am too, so don't think I'm not including myself.  Nobody has made a single compelling argument in this whole fucking thread.  Almost 200 pages of bullshit.  I gave up trying to get you to think because clearly you're not interested in it; you're just going to spew the bullshit you've read on internet memes as fact (both sides).  They both suck.  They are both evil.  The sooner you guys figure that out, the sooner we can have actual discussions towards a solution.  As long as you're sitting here defending either candidate, you're just wasting your time and proving your ignorance.  Fact.

I haven't really defended Hillary...I just loath Trump.

But what are the real issues? Buzz...in your opinion, what are the issues?

Shrinking middle class?
Immigration?
Terrorism?
Russia?
Economy?

I need you to be specific. I'll tell you one thing....I personally don't care to hear from the white community bitching about immigration.

In my experience, first generation people to this country work harder for less.

Get out of here with your racist, white guilt nonsense.  I don't believe the color of your skin or ancestry has dick to do with your potential. The horrors inflicted by or upon your ancestors have no bearing on you. But this country was founded by and built by white people.  Slavery was limited to the south by cotton farmers and had a negligible impact on the economy. Once industrialization came, slaves were worthless.

Every black person in America should be grateful their ancestors were slaves. Name a single African country where your average black is remotely as comfortable and privledged as your average black in America. The Latinos are no different.

I'm 3rd generation German from my fathers side. My grandfather was the first one born in America. He didn't know a word of German, but he happily shot the krauts in WW2.

This bullshit about America being a nation of immigrants is just that, bullshit. I eat the same fucking food anyone with Irish,Italian, English, Polish or any other European ancestry. The same as any black, Latino or Asian person.

We're a nation of laws. I expect outsider to respect our laws and culture just as I adhere to there's when I routinely travel all over the globe.

You may hate Trump because he advocates a position that doesn't enable you to click like and share on Facebook/YouTube and feel like you've accomplished anything. But he's the only one offering a sustainable immigration policy - the same policy every other country in the world enacts.

mitchejw wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Hilarious reading some of this.  Dodge, deflect.  Trump this, Trump that.  Arguing over who cares more about something that doesn't matter.  Nobody at all discussing the actual issues.  You guys are just a reflection of the problem we have and why the establishment has you all by the short hairs.  I get why none of the candidates are discussing the issues.  Neither of them have a workable plan for anything.

What I don't understand is why you guys keep ignoring the issues and playing the game they want you to play while pretending to have moral superiority over the other side. 

Nobody is going to change their mind.  All of you are going to believe what you're going to believe.  I am too, so don't think I'm not including myself.  Nobody has made a single compelling argument in this whole fucking thread.  Almost 200 pages of bullshit.  I gave up trying to get you to think because clearly you're not interested in it; you're just going to spew the bullshit you've read on internet memes as fact (both sides).  They both suck.  They are both evil.  The sooner you guys figure that out, the sooner we can have actual discussions towards a solution.  As long as you're sitting here defending either candidate, you're just wasting your time and proving your ignorance.  Fact.

I haven't really defended Hillary...I just loath Trump.

But what are the real issues? Buzz...in your opinion, what are the issues?

Shrinking middle class?
Immigration?
Terrorism?
Russia?
Economy?

I need you to be specific. I'll tell you one thing....I personally don't care to hear from the white community bitching about immigration.

In my experience, first generation people to this country work harder for less.

Get out of here with your racist, white guilt nonsense.  I don't believe the color of your skin or ancestry has dick to do with your potential. The horrors inflicted by or upon your ancestors have no bearing on you. But this country was founded by and built by white people.  Slavery was limited to the south by cotton farmers and had a negligible impact on the economy. Once industrialization came, slaves were worthless.

Every black person in America should be grateful their ancestors were slaves. Name a single African country where your average black is remotely as comfortable and privledged as your average black in America. The Latinos are no different.

I'm 3rd generation German from my fathers side. My grandfather was the first one born in America. He didn't know a word of German, but he happily shot the krauts in WW2.

This bullshit about America being a nation of immigrants is just that, bullshit. I eat the same fucking food anyone with Irish,Italian, English, Polish or any other European ancestry. The same as any black, Latino or Asian person.

We're a nation of laws. I expect outsider to respect our laws and culture just as I adhere to there's when I routinely travel all over the globe.

You may hate Trump because he advocates a position that doesn't enable you to click like and share on Facebook/YouTube and feel like you've accomplished anything. But he's the only one offering a sustainable immigration policy - the same policy every other country in the world enacts.

Hilarious reading some of this.  Dodge, deflect.  Trump this, Trump that.  Arguing over who cares more about something that doesn't matter.  Nobody at all discussing the actual issues.  You guys are just a reflection of the problem we have and why the establishment has you all by the short hairs.  I get why none of the candidates are discussing the issues.  Neither of them have a workable plan for anything.

What I don't understand is why you guys keep ignoring the issues and playing the game they want you to play while pretending to have moral superiority over the other side. 

Nobody is going to change their mind.  All of you are going to believe what you're going to believe.  I am too, so don't think I'm not including myself.  Nobody has made a single compelling argument in this whole fucking thread.  Almost 200 pages of bullshit.  I gave up trying to get you to think because clearly you're not interested in it; you're just going to spew the bullshit you've read on internet memes as fact (both sides).  They both suck.  They are both evil.  The sooner you guys figure that out, the sooner we can have actual discussions towards a solution.  As long as you're sitting here defending either candidate, you're just wasting your time and proving your ignorance.  Fact.