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#4941 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 756 weeks ago
What part getting married or divorced? I see what you're saying...you're saying hoorah for me and fuck everyone else. I see it pretty good alright.
#4942 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
Plenty of bad shit has happened to me, yet I've managed to not only survive, but thrive; and as much as I love to joke about being smarter than everybody else, I'm not doing anything anybody else couldn't have done. I've been there and done that.
My parents weren't rich at all. We barely got by. When I got older, my parents threw me out of the house at 18 (I deserved it too), I lived paycheck to paycheck and slept wherever someone would let me , charged stuff I couldn't afford but needed, had medical issues that cost me ten of thousands of dollars when I didn't have it. I had a car repo'd, declared bankruptcy, was part of a layoff...all before I was 22. I've been as close to hell as I ever care to be. I don't plan to ever go back.
I worked hard, learned from skilled people, and became very good at what I do now. When I started making decent money, I didn't blow it all, I put some away. I continue to put money away. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy life - I do. I can buy a new guitar if I want (I just don't buy the most expensive one) or go on trips (I shop around for deals). I am smart with my money. I could have a bigger house, but I don't. I could drive a nicer car, but I don't. People near where I live drive very nice cars, have boats, and lots of other toys, but live in a dump. It happens everywhere.
People have misplaced priorities, and instead of doing something to better themselves, complain about how unfair life is. Well, life is unfair. Crying about it isn't going to change anything. Waiting for someone to fix it for you isn't likely to help either. I have no sympathy for people that refuse to do anything to put themselves in a better situation in life. I don't have a college degree. Instead of crying about my situation, I took advantage of every opportunity presented to me to put myself in a better situation, and when I got into a better situation, I started saving some of the money so I wouldn't have to be in that situation ever again. If I can do it, anybody can do it. Don't depend on a union, don't depend on the government. Take responsibility for yourself and take as much control over your life as you can. While you'll (probably) never be able to control everything, you can keep yourself from controlling nothing.
I am very happy for you, and the success that has come your way. No one is crying about any situation though...and people did do something for themselves...they created a union...a group of people protecting the value of their trade/product/family. A group of people is always more powerful than one...except for if that one is a multi-multi-millionaire. Then the fight gets convoluted.
Truth is...I wish there didn't have to be a fight. I wish everyone looked out for each other, and didn't view their neighbors as people 'living off the system.'
If I could give one piece of advice in all of this...it would be...focus on yourself...take care of your business...but don't look down your nose at someone who isn't doing things the way you do them. And especially don't look down your nose at someone who is struggling. There is no need to create an enemy. I work so hard at what I do, I don't have time to sit around pointing my finger at everybody else.
I know there are people in this world who were handed the success I had to sacrifice so much for. But there were people before me that sacrificed much more...for less...and for me.
This kind of humility is what keeps me from taking myself too seriously. It's also what reminds me that I'm not the only one that matters.
#4943 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:People are paid a livable wage. They choose to live beyond their means and expect to be bailed out. What is really a livable wage and what people think is a livable wage are two different things. And the premise that jobs pay less than market value is a joke. Jobs pay what people are willing to do them for, no less.
Oh god...this pure capitilism crap is such nonsense. This whole world is predicated on the strong taking advantage of the week. Is that part of pure capitilism?
For example...the way wal-mart runs itself...They pay their employees a small wage, and whatever profits that are established are not recycled back into the system. They run other local business out of business because they can charge lower based on an 'advantage' that they create while manipulating the system. Could you imagine a small town economy in which Wal-mart was the largest employer? That's a receipe that would put a strangle hold on any small town.
When businesses are individually owner, the money is recycled through the town and keeps it alive.
Wal-Mart actually uses hundreds of millions of dollars of public money to operate itself, especially if you factor in the medicaid costs their employees tend to use. It's actually subsidized in most towns. Wal-Mart isn't just capitalism, it has several advantages that a true free market system wouldn't give out.
But big box stores in general lower prices, and allow people to consume more. The basic premise, though unfortunate for local, less-efficient businesses, is a fine system.
Uh huh...just ask anyone who works there...that don't qualifty as full time employees. They must be loving it.
And if the cost of running an 'efficient town' means everyone in that town must work at wal-mart because their business just died. All the while some of the bigger slices of the pie go somewhere far, far away from that town.
#4944 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
People are paid a livable wage. They choose to live beyond their means and expect to be bailed out. What is really a livable wage and what people think is a livable wage are two different things. And the premise that jobs pay less than market value is a joke. Jobs pay what people are willing to do them for, no less.
Oh god...this pure capitilism crap is such nonsense. This whole world is predicated on the strong taking advantage of the week. Is that part of pure capitilism?
For example...the way wal-mart runs itself...They pay their employees a small wage, and whatever profits that are established are not recycled back into the system. They run other local business out of business because they can charge lower based on an 'advantage' that they create while manipulating the system. Could you imagine a small town economy in which Wal-mart was the largest employer? That's a receipe that would put a strangle hold on any small town.
When businesses are individually owner, the money is recycled through the town and keeps it alive.
#4945 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Unfortunately, I disagree...the casualties to capitalism are numerous. The people in charge of this system are not to be trusted.
If and when I have to choose between a business owner and the government, I will choose the government. And I am a business owner.
Capitalism is every individual choosing to do what they wish and trade when both parties think they'll benefit. There are no leaders in a capitalist system, just actors. Capitalism produces winners and losers, but every system does, and at least capitalism obliges you to enrich others before you can enrich yourself.
The Fed's activity and policies that subsidized home owning and lending caused the housing bubble, not greedy bankers (although there certainly are those). It's the government that perverted incentives to the point that neither lenders nor borrowers were able to accurately project what they could afford, and then they bailed out the banks and the wealthy with taxpayer money. Like most economic crises, the presence of government made things worse.
Obama's not socialism, but he is probably the most anti-business president in US history.
What does paying your employees a livable wage have to do with being anti-captilist. I have always understood from my loose understanding of 'business' that you don't pay your employees what you think they are worth, you pay them what the market demands. That is almost always less...much less.
As I said before...I AM a business owner...but I loath republican ideals. If pure capitalism is synonymous with republicanism in this country, I stand firmly against them. You see...what made me a democrat is not so much that I love everything democrats stand for...it's that I hate everything republicans stand for...from abortion, to religion, to business.
#4946 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
I will also tell you this...the people here are infuriated. Walker doesn't negotiate. He does what he thinks is right. And what he things is right is attacking worker.
He recently said this will create 250,000 new jobs in Wisconsin. What he didn't say is that they will all be minnimum wage jobs. The other thing he didn't say? This is all dependant on whether or not these massive tax cuts to the wealthy will be used in the state of Wisconsin. If history tells us anything, they won't.
These billionaires of Wisconsin will send the job opportunities elsewhere. The deep south, and perhaps not even in the U.S.
Go capatalism?
#4947 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
Unfortunately, I disagree...the casualties to capitalism are numerous. The people in charge of this system are not to be trusted.
If and when I have to choose between a business owner and the government, I will choose the government. And I am a business owner.
#4948 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
but it's a net loss as a group
#4949 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
To me it's this simple...if $20 used to buy 4 employees...now it buys 5 or 6 in Wisconsin...I emplore you to explain to me how this is a win for the middle class as the governor keeps touting.
Who is going to want to do these jobs that require a degree??? In Milwaukee, Scott Walker did a similar thing. He had the city's security in the hands of minnimum wage worker. Later it was found out that one of the leaders of this security organization was a convicted felon.
There is a heavy price to pay for this...and if you want to live in alabama...i say go.
#4950 Re: The Garden » The battle of Wisconsin-labor unions » 757 weeks ago
perhaps protocal was followed....that's not even certain...if this was an option all along why did they take a month to do it?
