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#4981 Re: The Garden » Pope resigns, new Pope. » 704 weeks ago
This makes me sick to my stomach. Wtf!
#4982 Re: The Garden » an adventure in self exploration » 710 weeks ago
Hmm. Tough situation.
As has been said, I think if you're too negative about it you risk pushing her away.
Firstly because it could be seen as too controlling, and lacking trust - like how often when people are continually falsely accused of cheating they end up going and doing it as payback. It's sort of like if you do the time for it anyway you might as well do the crime or something. Odd but it happens.
Secondly, because if it does relate to some kind of sexual need or fantasy or deeper interest of hers, shutting it down could really alienate her. Think about your response if she blocked your sexual needs by refusing particular deeds or insisting on only certain ways or whatever. She'd suddenly seem boring and inhibiting what you could be doing.
Or of course maybe it's not sexual at all....maybe she just wants to get buff or something and it seems cooler than the gym...don't want to jump to conclusions.
One approach might be to consider what about it turns her on and find ways to scratch that itch that don't upset you. Is it the exhibitionism angle? Maybe you guys could do stuff in places where u might get caught, or like have her flash you when you're out and about or something like that. Or is it the idea of strangers? If so you could look into role play or something. Is it just she feels sexy when watched in which case she could dance for you or otherwise develop more visual aspects to foreplay, or maybe it's just the sense of appreciation - let her know more often she's hot? I dunno...hope i'm not running my mouth here...just pondering some ideas...don't mean it disrespectfully.
Even if she is hell bent on it....it could also just be one part of her personality...doesn't mean she'd have any interest in leaving you or anything like that. Might just be like how you might notice a girl on TV is good looking. You could still be the man she loves and so on...but she finds it hot to dance for others. So you don't want to jump to conclusions too much.
Anyhow...I'd proceed with caution as if she's keen on it being negative could really upset her...but at the same time I can understand the hesitation too....but I'd look into if there's a way to embrace it without crossing your lines too much.
I like this response...and I do agree...this is mostly about my own insecurities. I most definitely wouldn't want to push her away. And you're right...and I think I did that...and it hurt a little. Nothing that I couldn't fix...but she was so excited to share the idea with me...and I realize I reacted somewhat negatively...
Still...the fact remains that I feel threatened (hopefully temporarily) by this constant need for her (and many girls') need to be seen. Attention! Attention! Attention! Look at me!!! I guess the question I keep asking myself is, "will my attention every be enough?"
#4983 Re: The Garden » an adventure in self exploration » 710 weeks ago
It sounds like your girlfriend liked, and still continues to like, that kind of attention she gets when she's baring most of her body to people. That's not necessarily a bad thing either. As far as you've said, she's never actually received money for performing sex acts. So all she's done is play the occasional stripper while drunk. The reason she sounded like she was bragging while telling you this is that there's a common misconception that all straight men would love to date and marry strippers.
But what gives you the right to tell her that she can't take pole dancing classes because the thought that someone else might see her do it in the future makes you uncomfortable? If it's what she wants to do, then you need to get over your own insecurities about it and let her do it. Not only is it something she can call upon in the future to spice up your love life, but it's also a great way to stay in shape.
You have every right to feel the way that you do. And if this is not something you are looking for in a partner, then I would advise you to think this over, and talk it over.
But most of all, don't see it as a threat to your relationship. And who knows, this could be just a passing fancy and go away on its own.
I see what you're saying. I don't want to, nor do I feel like it would foster a healthy relationship to try to stifle her "needs."
At the same time, I feel all sorts of double standards going on here...in general, and in this situation specifically. What if the situation was reversed? Perhaps it's the context that frustrates me...she was EXTREMELY jealous over a situation in which another woman organized an event in my honor less than a week ago. How am I supposed to be cool with her "needs" for attention when she is so threatened by anyone giving me any...it's bull...
Believe me, I want to resolve this in a healthy way...but sometimes telling your girlfriend that she's inconsistent doesn't go very well...or do women usually get to have their cake and eat it too? 
#4984 Re: The Garden » an adventure in self exploration » 711 weeks ago
I get what you're saying. This isn't the same thing, but I've always wanted Stacey to refrain from bartending because she'd have to actively flirt with dudes to get them to buy more drinks and thus get herself bigger tips. That would benefit us of course because she'd be bringing more money in the house and wouldn't really be working hard to do so. At the same time, I'm not interested in her having to pretend to have interest in some other dude as part of her job.
Like I said, I realize that this isn't even close to what you're talking about but it's somewhere in the same realm I think. At least it's the best example I can think of to say I wouldn't be cool with it.
Yes...i too believe that what you experienced, are experiencing, is similar. Truth is...sometimes I hate how flaunty she can be. She really enjoys the attention. I believe that you imply that she doesn't enjoy it and does it reluctantly. Am I wrong?
Your girl that is....
#4985 The Garden » an adventure in self exploration » 711 weeks ago
- mitchejw
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Hey guys,
I have been a long time member of this board. I appreciate the uniqueness of the people here and could appreciate some insight.
Ahhh yes....women...
Last night after the Beyonce halftime show, my beautiful girlfriend turned to me and said, "would you pay for pole dancing lessons for me?"
I realize this would come as great news to most guys, but I welcomed it with equal parts horror and interest.
in the end....i said that I'm not sure that im ready for that. She was very surprised by this response and was very interested in knowing why. So...i decided to give her a straight forward answer as delicately as possible.
I told her that while I was certain that I would be the beneficiary of this, I was horrified at the thought of her displaying those skills in other realms.
You see...not that many years ago, she was quite accustomed to baring it all in front of men. Im not calling her a whore. I don't believe that she is. But she would get very drunk at times at clubs and find somewhere to dance naked and receive tips for it. I tried not to let this fact bother me, but last night exposed that it does. I believe she only did this a handful of times, but it really pains me to think about. what's worse is when she told me about it, she did so in a bragging way. It makes me believe this idea still appeals to her.
This is completely unrelated but I felt angry this morning as I dropped off HER daughter at school today. The incident has opened up some confusion and frustration for me.
There's more to the story than this....but I'd like to know if I have a right to feel the way that I do. I feel like most men would not respond this way.
#4986 The Garden » Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states » 732 weeks ago
- mitchejw
- Replies: 89
I would like to welcome you all to the first post regarding the upcoming election. I will take this opportunity to thank James Lofton, Pride and Glory, and all the rest who participated in these discussions 4 years ago. Imagine 2008 if you will...the economy is losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month, Sarah Palin has just been announced as John McCain's running mate, and the country on the cusp of a modern day great depression.
Let the games begin...
I have chosen one of the most interesting topics to kick off these discussions. It is also one that is near and dear to my heart. It is the topic of labor unions. It is also a topic that will be a significant factor in November's election.
What are the costs and benefits of labor unions to all parties involved? I often hear labor union members complain about paying their dues, or about the POS employee who does nothing, but is protected by his union.
More globally, labor unions allow members of a work force to actively participate in the capitalist experience. The cost of this is that labor because increasingly expensive. Free trade agreements such as NAFTA allow employers to send their jobs across borders to take advantage of countries that have less stringent laws protecting their labor force.
It's time for all of you to weigh in, folks...I'm anxious to hear some debate...
#4987 Re: The Garden » where is james lofton? » 732 weeks ago
Haha....good to see you all again. I'll be posting more often in the near future.
#4988 The Garden » where is james lofton? » 732 weeks ago
- mitchejw
- Replies: 9
Whatever happened to James? I haven't posted in awhile but I do like to lurk.
About this time four years ago we engaged in heated political discussion regarding the upcoming (at the time) presidential election. I was hoping we might be able to do it again.
has anyone seen him? Or double talking jive?
My how things can change in just 4 years.
#4989 Re: The Garden » McDonald's to hire 50,000 people nationwide » 805 weeks ago
MDonald's sucks...for eating and working
#4990 Re: The Garden » the price of gasoline sucks! » 806 weeks ago
4.17 per gallon here in Chicago by Wrigley
