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#5061 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination Round 5 » 870 weeks ago
I picked This I love...what the hell...people don't like Prostitute around here?
#5062 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 870 weeks ago
The HBK/Hogan match was classic. Not because of it's goodness just because HBK showed he still can be a prick and over sold Hogan like there was no tomorrow. Just funny shit really. Hogan won't job to Austin. When it comes down to it he'll change his mind. But with Hogans personal problem of Linda being a money grabbing whore I could see him jobbing multiple times if he really needs the money.
HBk was a prick...did you see the oversells in that match...it was ridicuolous and blatent...and also hilarious
#5063 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 870 weeks ago
What I never understood about Hogan's reluctance to job was the fact he jobbed to the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania VI and what wound up being the final peak of Hulkamania. It never made much sense to do it then, then refuse to do it later in his career when his invincibility had loooooong worn off.
McMahon must have paid him massive amounts of money to do that, and if money is what would convince Hogan to lose, McMahon should have handed him blank checks at least twice during Hogan's 84-88 title reign. He had way too much competition during that time frame to never lose. The original Hulkamania reign went stale awfully quick, but they were able to get away with it because Hogan was a huge icon at the time and millions of kids did not want to see him lose.
Had I been a booker, I would have had Hogan lose the belt to Bundy at Wrestlemania II, and win it back quickly on an episode of Saturday Night's Main Event. I also hated the fact that WWF would never allow any face vs face matches back then. It caused them to squander what would have been a match for the ages between Hogan and Steamboat in the aftermath of Wrestlemania III. Both were huge stars at the time and Steamboat was awfully close to Hogan's status popularity wise. They could have easily set up a scenario where Steamboat walks up to Hogan during an interview segment demanding a shot at the title, and as IC champion(and number one contender), he was entitled to it. They wouldn't have needed to make Steamboat a heel to make this work. Of course Steamboat screwed the pooch by demanding time off because his wife had just had a baby, this pissed Mcmahon off, and he forced Steamboat to job to Honkeytonk Man and made Steamboat irrelevant and let him go to WCW. Steamboat of course picked up where he had left off in WWF and had a feud with Flair which led to two of the greatest wrestling matches in history.
I like your take on the face vs face matches. It definately was not allowed...however, the marketing of the WWF at that time made it necessary. They didn't want the fans to have to decide and be split...and I understand that when your target audience is 8-16 year olds.
I do beg to differ with you as far as Hogan's first title reign. First of all, the wrestling boom occurred because the bulk of wrestling fans (all be it, youngsters) made it happen. Perhaps if Hogan lost the title, even for a day at that time, the entire bottom would have fallen out. In order for wrestling to break out at that time, that's what needed to happen. I sort of akin it to the Cena thing of the past few years. He is the favorite of the fringe fans...he's what keeps turning a giant profit...why?...because he brings in the fringe fans.
They always have the "smart" or "loyal" wrestling fan almost regardless of the decisions they make. The girls and little kids in 2009 love Cena and only come back to pay if he wins.
One great thing that occurred was because Hogan was hogging the WWF title in the 80s and early 90s was the IC title talent. Never again will you see the likes of that much talent vying for the IC title.
#5064 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 870 weeks ago
A couple things to consider...I have read before...and if pressed I could find the sources...saying that Royal Rumble '93 was being set up as a Warrior vs Bret Hart match (not sure if it was for the title)...so there is one thing that was changed by the Hogan refusing the job or work with Flair.
Also...because Hogan and Flair refused to work together...it took Macho Man out his BLOOD fued with Jake Roberts. This feud did not end as planned...it was supposed to go all the way to Wrestlemania and end in a massive fight that you would only expect at Wrestlemania...
what happened instead...Macho Man begins feuding with Flair...and the Roberts feud disappears....Roberts is gone shortly there after...
Check out these awesome clips of that feud...excuse the bad qualityj...
#5065 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 870 weeks ago
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I might have to dust off some of the old tapes as well!
I think it was more or less a "youth movement". Wouldnt be much longer till Ted Turner was buying up alot of the established talent in the WWF.
True...but the abruptness of it all is alarming, wouldn't you agree?
#5066 The Garden » Old WWF question... » 870 weeks ago
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I was going back through some of the old WWF pay per views, and it caused me to analyze (probably over-analyze) what was going on in the WWF from 1992 to 1993...
This may be getting too detailed for some of you, but I hope others may take some interest in the topic.
The roster turnover over the span incurred massive turnover...allow me to describe even further.
In September of 1992, The Macho Man was champion and he was feuding/befriending Warrior in a rather interesting angle that clearly put them in the front and center of the WWF at that point. Hulk Hogan was showing up for pay per views, not much else, but he was still around. There were guys like Repoman, Papa Shango, Skinner, Berserker. Wrestlemania that year saw Piper vs Hart for the Intercontinental title. The Big Boss Man was in the midst of a strong push through out 1992. Ric Flair spent considerable time in 1992 as champion, including a Royal Rumble win. Mr. Perfect was making a serious push toward main event status...the list goes on.
Why am I telling you all of this? What happens in the final months of 1992 and roughtly January of 1993 is a complete change of direction in the company and nearly complete turnover. Warrior was fired before the end of 1992. Macho man is reduced to broadcasting with the occasional match with no build up. Ric Flair is gone, Mr. Perfect is gone by mid-1993 Repoman, Papa Shango, Kamala, skinner, Berserker all gone. Hulk Hogan has two matches in 1993 and is pushed out the door. The Big Boss Man and Flair, both major players of 1992 are gone before the first month of 1993 ends.
What else does late 92, early 93 bring? Bret Hart's first title reign, hardly considered possible even 6 months before it occurred. Shawn Micheals comes from being an extreme low card wrestler to upper mid-card and the IC championship right around the time Bret Hart gets his title. Yokozuna goes from unknown in late 1992 to champion by march of 1993. A major push for Razor Ramon that brings him from no none to IC in an 8 month span. Lex Luger...again, the list goes on...
I only bring this to your attention because it struck me at how much things changed in such a short period of time. Being the wrestling dork that I am, I was shocked to see what I saw when I put this time period under the microscope. I was hoping some of you had some thoughts on the era.
#5067 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 870 weeks ago
It really makes you wonder don't it?
We heard right from the man's mouth that the Better video was to be released weeks ago...not even he knows what's going on...
#5068 Re: The Garden » Shoes Thrown At Bush » 871 weeks ago
So if Bush had a third term...where would we have a war next?
#5069 Re: The Garden » "Hello 911? I'm driving drunk" » 871 weeks ago
Psychotic people exist at almost any age. Columbine is alot more complicated than simply blaming it on school bullying. I don't dismiss that teenagers have problems, I simply don't believe their problems are generally unique or problems of any real concern. I know it's not PC to say, but some people are just weak. Simple fact of nature and we shouldn't cater to the victim mentality that perscibes zoloft and aderol for every teen that walks into a doctor's office.
I think that mentality is what gets kids to this point in the first place.
"Fuck you...you're problems are stupid...go do your homework."
#5070 Re: The Garden » 2008 NFL season » 871 weeks ago
I don't have the exact article...but I read recently that the Bears are going to prioritize finding a quarterback this off-season. In this same statement...Angel (the GM) commented that receivers don't matter if you have a good quarterback.
The funny thing about all this is that the Bears are acting as though this is an easy thing. They want to bring in Chris Simms? What?! Donavan was mentioned at the press conference as well.
The thing is...I think we're fine at QB right now (not good or above average)...there are a lot more pressing needs...I miss that amazing defense of the superbowl year and the few years preceding it. I miss the offensive line that made amazing holes for thomas jones and I miss teh D-line that got pressure on the quarterback consistently...
I think there are better places to be focusing on.