Hmm...which pole is that? I think that pole changes its form too often to be considered a fair reference point...

but I shall take it into consideration.

it's almost as though at some point, every politician voted for or against something...and u can dig up all the records you want...you'll find what u want if you look hard enough

damn...this isn't good...I feel lucky that I was instilled with a little more common sense. The status symbol game is a whole monster in itself. The American Dream is a status symbol...

All your points are well taken...the dot coms, the policies of greenspan (who was asked to keep the machine running, and that's exactly what he did), the mortgage fire sale.

A bunch of American jobs sent to other countries. It is utterly absurd to think that high up execs did not have the foresite to see this coming. The corporation model gives these people free reign.

No skin off of their asses...while we all try to compensate over the next couple of years, they'll be using the dollar bill to light their cigars.

You said that people don't want to go on welfare to avoid the stigma...and all I was saying was that people who are on it aren't just getting a free ride, they need to be on it...

and to be fair...you only respond to isolated bits and pieces of what people say

So...the fact that I grew up on food stamps means I should be ashamed? is that what I get from you Lofton...

People don't go on these programs from the fucking fun of it...they go on them because they have no choice...

our social standing in the community took a back seat to us eating...