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#5121 Re: The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 877 weeks ago
I guess...in bizarro world...
there is nothing sympathetic to me about this lady...but I guess in your world...no matter what we say it makes Palin look good and the barrage of stories you post on her about Democrats in the negative are furthuring your cause as well...
I guess we can't win...we're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't...
quoting axlin
"They are turning Palin into a SYMPATHETIC CHARACTER. Every time one of these articles turns up, it GAINS McCain/Palin more votes."
#5122 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 877 weeks ago
There was a long time growing up where my family was the same way despite my mother and father working their asses off. Food stamps, powdered milk, the whole nine.
And it was caused by a bad economy. My parents were in a mortgage for a house they could afford one minute and not the next. Then they had the 3 mouths to feed and clothe on top of 2 other siblings moving in and out as they needed to.
We didn't partake in any of those plans because we wanted to, we did it because we had to. After both of my parents were working 2 jobs each.
So there may be plenty of Americans in that situation currently who would applaud this idea.
You said that people don't want to go on welfare to avoid the stigma...and all I was saying was that people who are on it aren't just getting a free ride, they need to be on it...
and to be fair...you only respond to isolated bits and pieces of what people say
#5123 Re: The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 877 weeks ago
I guess...in bizarro world...
there is nothing sympathetic to me about this lady...but I guess in your world...no matter what we say it makes Palin look good and the barrage of stories you post on her about Democrats in the negative are furthuring your cause as well...
I guess we can't win...we're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't...
#5124 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 877 weeks ago
So...the fact that I grew up on food stamps means I should be ashamed? is that what I get from you Lofton...
People don't go on these programs from the fucking fun of it...they go on them because they have no choice...
our social standing in the community took a back seat to us eating...
#5125 The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 877 weeks ago
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Alaska lawmakers vote to subpoena Todd Palin
Published: 9/13/08, 4:05 AM EDT
By GENE JOHNSON
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.
Republican efforts to delay the probe until after the Nov. 4 election were thwarted when GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, sided with Democrats. "Let's just get the facts on the table," said Huggins, who appeared in camouflage pants to vote during a break from moose hunting.
The Senate committee acted at the request of investigator Stephen Branchflower, who is gathering evidence on whether Gov. Palin abused her power by firing Walt Monegan, the state's director of public safety. Critics charge she fired Monegan after he refused to dismiss Mike Wooten, a state trooper who had a messy divorce from the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was let go because of a budget dispute.
Thomas Van Flein, the Palins' private attorney now representing her as governor, did not immediately return calls for comment. In a broadcast interview, Palin said she welcomed the investigation.
"There's nothing to hide," she said in an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson. "Commissioner Monegan has said, 'The governor never asked me to fire him, the governor's husband never asked me to fire him,' and we never did. I never pressured him to hire or fire anybody."
Branchflower said he wants to interview the governor, but omitted her from the 13-person list of subpoena targets he presented to the lawmakers overseeing his investigation.
He said Todd Palin is "such a central figure. ... I think one should be issued for him."
Palin, cast at last week's Republican National Convention as a supportive husband, oil rig worker and championship snowmachine racer, has emerged in the days since as also a powerful figure in his wife's administration. Despite holding no government position, he attends official meetings and is copied on e-mails concerning state business.
While Todd Palin's role in the dismissal of Monegan is unknown, the request for a subpoena suggests he spurned earlier calls to testify voluntarily. Monegan voluntarily submitted to an interview earlier in the week.
Nor was it immediately clear whether Van Flein was representing Todd Palin as well as the governor in the investigation. Van Flein is working at taxpayer expense to represent the governor in her personal and official capacity.
The subpoenas, which were approved for 12 state employees in addition to Todd Palin, instantly gave a new, national significance to what until recently was a controversy confined to Alaska.
The McCain campaign released a statement from Alaska Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, blaming Democrats.
"I'm disappointed by the complete hijacking of what should be a fair and objective process," the Republican said, calling the investigation a "smear."
The investigation - dubbed "Troopergate" - began before Palin was chosen as Sen. John McCain's running mate. Since then, Palin's supporters have argued that the investigation is politically motivated, and urged lawmakers to turn the matter over to the three-member State Personnel Board, which is appointed by the governor and charged with handling ethics complaints.
In his presentation to lawmakers, Branchflower revealed evidence that the governor's office interceded to try to have Wooten's worker's compensation claim denied.
An employee at a company that handles such claims for the state, Harbor Adjustment Service, told Branchflower that the company's owner said "the governor's office wanted the claim denied."
One of the subpoenas issued Friday was for the company's owner, Murlene Wilkes. Branchflower said he had an informal conversation with Wilkes in August, and believes she was lying when she said she had never been contacted by the governor's office. Wilkes did not immediately return a telephone call.
Monegan says he received repeated e-mails and phone calls from Palin, her husband and her staff expressing dismay over Wooten's continued employment.
One member of Palin's administration was caught on tape discussing personal information about Wooten, raising questions of how he knew those details.
Branchflower also asked for a subpoena for the phone records of one Palin administration official, Frank Bailey. Bailey was recorded calling an Alaska State Trooper lieutenant and discussing confidential information about Wooten, including his job application and worker's compensation claim. In a deposition taken by Palin's attorney, he testified that he never saw Wooten's file, but instead received the information from Todd Palin.
#5126 Re: The Garden » Biden: "Hillary a better pick than me" » 877 weeks ago
i'll be asleep the next four years if this is the type of thing that makes or breaks a campaign...
#5127 Re: The Garden » Biden: "Hillary a better pick than me" » 877 weeks ago
#5128 Re: The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 877 weeks ago
yes...what is a "community organizer"...hardly worthy of anything, right Palin? right Lofton?
She stuck her foot right in her mouth there...that was plain stupid.
And how dare you blame Democrats for this heightening of the stakes...this is exactly how Republicans have wons the last two elections...
#5129 Re: The Garden » Charles Gibson interviews Sarah Palin » 877 weeks ago
That was a good interview...I don't think she gave a straight answer to any questions....the brilliance of Palin?
Every single question was answered with a VERY ambiguous response.
If you want to praise her ability to dodge direct answers, well she is awesome at that.
#5130 Re: The Garden » Obama calling McCain "computer illiterate" » 877 weeks ago
Yeah, I was a little concerned at first about the bump McCain has received...but this happens immediately after all national conventions...I"ll bet it was no coincidence that the RNC picked their dates so quickly after the DNC.
Fact is...all candidates enjoy a bump for a week or two after...but things settle down and move back toward where they were...
This Palin-mania that republicans seem to be enjoying will get stale and old just like any bag of potato chips that's been open for two weeks.
I hope they get back to issues and stop mud-slinging, I really do.