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#541 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
FlashFlood wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:My opposition to Biden’s immigration policy has nothing to do with his pandering. I oppose them because they’re foolish, in violation of the law, and don’t help Americans or Central American nations. I can acknowledge their nations are shit holes, and America is kick ass, but allowing millions to illegally enter as they flee poverty doesn’t solve anything. Nor do we have an obligation to welcome illiterate, unskilled migrants.
But I’m sure you’ve thought this through and have a solution to integrate the population and not lower the wage for the communities you claim to champion. And do so without encouraging millions more to illegally enter with their hand out. You’re a better American than me, so I’m sure you’ll volunteer to serve in some capacity to help facilitate the safe indoctrination of millions.
I don’t care much to post here any more than I have, and maybe I missed your larger point about Central America, but you know Mexico is in North America, right?
The majority of illegal immigrants arrive from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras - the northern triangle; not Mexico. Central America isn’t a continent, and is commonly known to encompass all Spanish speaking nations north of Brazil, including Mexico.
Was there something you wanted to discuss that I said? Allowing millions to flee the destitute and corrupt nations of Central America to hide in the shadows of the US isn’t a policy worth arguing over in my opinion. And that’s what Biden’s and America’s policy has been the past 30 years. DACA itself will be ruled unconstitutional, and you have to ask if Democrats are willing to get their popular position on immigration through all of their political capital? Immigration is why Trump won in 2016, and welcoming millions of people who don’t qualify for asylum to set up shop and perpetually cross unhindered will give the GOP Congress in 2022.
Our borders should be enforced as should our asylum laws. And current immigration law doesn’t allow for poverty as a qualifying condition. Something like 98% of asylum cases fail, so why allow them to enter unrestrained?
I’m not advocating mass deportation, and support a final solution to immigration. But we said we were going to solve immigration under Johnson. Then we were under Reagan. Now here we are almost 35 years later, and we need to do it again.
The policy of the US can’t be to admit anyone who wants to enter. And if it’s going to be, our laws should reflect that. If laws are bad, they should be changed, not ignored.
Lumping Mexico with Central America is not something they teach in American geography. I’m not going to argue with you if you claim the majority of illegals are from Central American countries, but it seems you are lumping them together to prove a point.
#542 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
My opposition to Biden’s immigration policy has nothing to do with his pandering. I oppose them because they’re foolish, in violation of the law, and don’t help Americans or Central American nations. I can acknowledge their nations are shit holes, and America is kick ass, but allowing millions to illegally enter as they flee poverty doesn’t solve anything. Nor do we have an obligation to welcome illiterate, unskilled migrants.
But I’m sure you’ve thought this through and have a solution to integrate the population and not lower the wage for the communities you claim to champion. And do so without encouraging millions more to illegally enter with their hand out. You’re a better American than me, so I’m sure you’ll volunteer to serve in some capacity to help facilitate the safe indoctrination of millions.
I don’t care much to post here any more than I have, and maybe I missed your larger point about Central America, but you know Mexico is in North America, right?
#543 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
You keep ignoring the centuries of oppression black people have experienced in America. You bring it back to economic opportunities but that scratches the surface. You blindly ask for proof while providing none of your own outside of your personal experience.
I claim black people have been oppressed in America. I use slavery and segregation as my basis. What’s your claim? They need to get over it?
#544 Re: The Sunset Strip » New Radicals to reunite for Biden inauguration » 303 weeks ago
Always found the “courtney love and marilyn manson” line from You Get What You Give insanely cringeworthy but the song was catchy. Just saved the album on Spotify after James’ constant endorsements so I’ll give it a whirl.
#545 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
It you honestly think people in the Ozarks have better opportunities than people in Compton, or comparing them to the advantages you or I have, I don't know what to tell you.
Cool quote. Think I’ve heard that one somewhere before.
To compare black people and white people apples to apples is to ignore centuries of history. I grew up poor and white and I believe work needs to be done to fix the situation.
#546 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
misterID wrote:I don't know how to explain it other than I was being sarcastic and Randall took me serious.
Nah, I knew you were sarcastic. I guess my sarcasm went over everyone’s head. This isn’t the first time you’ve made the argument poor whites aren’t inherently better off than poor blacks. But they won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. Hence my sarcasm of “enacting the labor”.
Sure, I’ll touch it. Poor white people are inherently better off than poor black people. Poor white people are afforded far more opportunity than poor black people. While both are most likely to remain poor, the fact is, white people in power are more likely to hire white people, and there are very few black people in power. It’s not apples to apples. It’s immensely different.
#547 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
FlashFlood wrote:So you don’t agree with the very first thing I said which is there is a system of oppression of black people in this country. You point to drugs as if to say “it’s their fault.”
Your second paragraph is a euphemism for “black people do it to them selves.” It ignores hundreds of years of context.
I’m asking you to explain what “system of oppression” means. It’s a vague term. No, I don’t believe a legal system of oppression exists. But I do recognize a disparity in childhood environment.
To provide a solution, you need to define the problem.
I didn’t say anything of the sort. Poverty increases likelihood of less opportunity, and encourages criminal activity. You appear to want to have it accepted without qualification that people of color are inherently worse off by virtue of some oppression you’ve yet to define. If you feel so strongly this system exists, you surely have reasons that an objective party can independently verify.
Ok I’ll define it - Slavery. It started some 400 years ago but you ignore it and think everyone is on the same playing field now. Do you think everyone has had the same opportunity since the Emancipation Proclamation?
#548 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
So you don’t agree with the very first thing I said which is there is a system of oppression of black people in this country. You point to drugs as if to say “it’s their fault.”
Your second paragraph is a euphemism for “black people do it to them selves.” It ignores hundreds of years of context.
#549 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 303 weeks ago
If you don’t think there is a system of oppression in the USA that keeps black people in a pervasive, disadvantaged state, I don’t know what to tell you. Black Lives Matter isn’t about Marxists, it’s about fundamentally changing the aforementioned point through unity. That means it’s not just black people saying BLM it means white Americans have to share responsibility for where we are, acknowledge our inherent privilege in this country, and advocate for change.
#550 Re: Guns N' Roses » Marc Ford was previously asked to join Guns N' Roses twice » 303 weeks ago
While I don’t think he would have been seriously considered for nu gnr, I do remember a quote from fortus or someone saying Axl loved Fortus’ feel when playing Stray Cat Blues in his audition. It’s not out of the realm of possibility Axl wanted a true bluesy rhythm player.
